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Roger's Big Day
NEW TIMES LA ^ | September 1, 2002 | RON RUSSELL

Posted on 09/02/2002 3:49:14 PM PDT by NYer

This isn't the way it was supposed to be. To be sure, the weeklong celebration marking Labor Day's official opening of the lavish Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral on Bunker Hill downtown will be spectacular. For a moment, at least, Los Angeles -- home to the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, with its 3.6 million adherents -- will claim center stage of the Christian world. It isn't often that cathedrals are built, least of all one as elaborate and expensive as this one, which bears an "official" $193 million price tag that is almost certainly well below its actual cost. As befits such a significant ecclesiastical event, no fewer than five dozen bishops, archbishops and cardinals are to be on hand for the Mass of Dedication slated for September 2.

But, ironically, it is the man upon whom all eyes will be focused -- and without whom the cathedral would have never been built -- whose unrivaled role ensures that the historic week will be, at best, bittersweet. This was to have been Cardinal Roger M. Mahony's shining hour. Having wheeled and dealed to raise untold millions of dollars to build an edifice supporters praise as a symbol of his legacy and critics deride as a monument to his ego, the cardinal might once have expected to merely bask in the glow of his achievement. Instead, the man once touted as having a shot at becoming the first American pope is under siege. Despite attempts at reconstructive surgery from Sitrick & Co., Enron Corporation's former public relations firm, whose pricey consultants are advising him, Mahony's image is in tatters from having presided over a sex-abuse scandal involving clergy in his realm that has come to rival -- if not surpass -- that of the much-maligned Boston Archdiocese.

On Labor Day, as he stands surrounded by a host of prelates, dignitaries and other specially invited guests within the 58,000-square-foot building already widely referred to as Taj Mahony (this is not to mention the throngs of protesters and others expected to gather outside), His Eminence will reign with the knowledge that at least 72 of his current and former priests are under criminal investigation. Amazingly, they include several from within the cardinal's longtime inner circle, including Father Carl Sutphin, whom Mahony in March 2001 elevated to the prestigious role of associate pastor of Our Lady of the Angels despite having known for years that he was an accused child molester. (Sutphin was among seven clerics Mahony abruptly tossed overboard in February and March of this year after it became clear that his harboring of pedo-priests would face public scrutiny.)

In June, after months of resisting District Attorney Steve Cooley's demands, Mahony was forced by the L.A. County Grand Jury to surrender records related to 17 of his accused clerics. High law enforecement sources say authorities will begin arresting these priests on criminal charges in the next few weeks. And as first reported by New Times, the district attorney has pointedly refused to rule out the possibility that the cardinal himself could become the target of a criminal probe. On the civil front, the archdiocese faces a class-action lawsuit involving as many as four dozen sex-abuse victims in just one parish in Oxnard. Plus, a trickle of individual lawsuits is widely expected to become a torrent next year as the result of a landmark California law signed in June by Governor Gray Davis. The law, which passed without a single vote of opposition in the Legislature, gives any alleged priestly sex-abuse victim a one-year window of opportunity to sue the church, starting January 1 -- regardless of whether previous legal time limits for doing so have expired. Legal experts and others acknowledge that the law could have enormous financial consequences for dioceses throughout California, especially the scandal-plagued L.A. Archdiocese.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: cardinal; catholicchurch; lacathedral; rogermahony

1 posted on 09/02/2002 3:49:15 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Aliska; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
As befits such a significant ecclesiastical event, no fewer than five dozen bishops, archbishops and cardinals are to be on hand for the Mass of Dedication slated for September 2.

Did anyone catch the televized dedication? The only snippit of information on our local news, mentioned that the cathedral contains a gift shop, restaurant and conference center.

Would LOVE to know which bishops were in attendance. Did they show the protesters, expected to also be in attendance?

2 posted on 09/02/2002 3:55:05 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Bttt!!
3 posted on 09/02/2002 5:39:51 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer; Polycarp; Diago; Romulus; eastsider; american colleen; Domestic Church; JMJ333; EODGUY; ...
That graphic of Mahony is truly horrifying but perfectly apt.
4 posted on 09/02/2002 5:50:49 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: NYer
Where were all the displaced Latinos from St. Vibiana's?
5 posted on 09/02/2002 6:01:00 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: NYer
This was to have been Cardinal Roger M. Mahony's shining hour. Having wheeled and dealed to raise untold millions of dollars to build an edifice supporters praise as a symbol of his legacy and critics deride as a monument to his ego, the cardinal might once have expected to merely bask in the glow of his achievement. Instead, the man once touted as having a shot at becoming the first American pope is under siege. Despite attempts at reconstructive surgery from Sitrick & Co., Enron Corporation's former public relations firm, whose pricey consultants are advising him, Mahony's image is in tatters from having presided over a sex-abuse scandal involving clergy in his realm that has come to rival -- if not surpass -- that of the much-maligned Boston Archdiocese.

First, God works in mysterious ways, sometimes.

Second, it makes me sick that a bishop of the Catholic Church needs a PR firm to help his image. Mahony apparently sees himself as a CEO and not a shepherd of the faithful.

Third, it absolutely make me sick Mahony spend over 200M for the "Cathedral" and how many million to hire a PR firm when there are poor people in his district who could use help with health insurance, groceries, rent or maybe tuition for a nice Catholic school so they can get their kids out of the ghetto.

I fear for his immortal soul.

6 posted on 09/02/2002 6:24:48 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Salvation
Where were all the displaced Latinos from St. Vibiana's?

Probably headed to the nearest Pentecostal church. Or maybe to the Testigos de Jehová.

7 posted on 09/02/2002 6:47:13 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
So true.
8 posted on 09/02/2002 9:54:14 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Siobhan
The Fox website has a story on it. Here are some excerpts:

Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral was dedicated during a three-hour service that incorporated the many ethnic backgrounds of the community's faithful, from Vietnamese singing to African drumming to children in traditional Mexican dress.

Sounds like opening ceremonies at the Olympics.

Pope John Paul II sent a message that was read during the ceremony, saying the cathedral represents the diversity of Los Angeles.

What else could he say?

Spanish architect Jose Rafael Moneo, whose style is noted for combining classic architectural themes with modern designs, built the towering, 11-story cathedral with asymmetrical design and lack of right angles.

While its sandstone-colored walls evoke visions of California's 18th century Spanish missions, some critics have compared the cathedral's austere, modernistic look to a prison.

I was searching for the right words. I think that comes close.

The stock market decline also has taken a deep bite out of the archdiocese's budget, forcing cuts for ministry and education by as much as 30 percent and a scaling back of the opening celebrations

Tod Tamberg, spokesman for the archdiocese, said the cathedral was mainly funded through private donations and "not one dime" was taken from church social service programs.

Call me cynical..........

Money raised from a 6,000-space mausoleum, built beneath the cathedral, along with a gift shop, restaurant, conference center and a 600-car parking garage are expected to help cover ongoing expenses

Disneyland?

Built on a hill overlooking the traffic-choked Hollywood Freeway

Scenic too.

9 posted on 09/02/2002 10:26:59 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: NYer
I caught only a glimpse of the "warehouse" on the news as well. I have a good friend who is an architect and can't wait to get his appraisal of what I deem to be the ugliest and most secular excuse for a place of worship I have ever seen.
10 posted on 09/03/2002 4:55:03 AM PDT by EODGUY
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To: goldenstategirl; Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; ...
A picture is worth .............. For your viewing pleasure.


"Cardinal Roger M. Mahony officiates at the dedication of the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in downtown Los Angeles. Three thousand invited guests were on hand for the ceremony."

EODGUY used the word "warehouse" to describe the cathedral. Those lighting fixtures certainly look like something out of a warehouse.


"Knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door" ... who is the caped figure on the left door? Batman? Zoro?


Ahhhh, this one is my personal favorite! Barefoot nuns on bended knee. Wonder what special grace Mahony promised in return for this "tableau"


... the splayed toes of Christ. The artist must not have read 'The Resurrection of The Shroud'. It would be physically impossible for a person impaled on a cross to open their toes in that manner.


Any kneelers behind those pews????????

11 posted on 09/03/2002 10:15:08 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
What's with the Vestal Virgins in pic #3? Looks like the're cooking up some nice Kung-Pao Chicken in a big wok...
12 posted on 09/03/2002 10:21:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
Haven't you ever seen spiritual exercises?
13 posted on 09/03/2002 10:44:31 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
I wonder if the "spirit" involved here might need to be exorcised...
14 posted on 09/03/2002 10:47:31 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: NYer
Oh, my...that looks a lot like pagan sacrifice than Mass.

15 posted on 09/03/2002 11:04:45 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
Oh, my...that looks a lot like pagan sacrifice than Mass.

Check out this review:

THE CARDINAL'S SUPERDOME

16 posted on 09/03/2002 11:31:35 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Thanks for the photos of the interior, NYer. I think Webster will have to add two new definitions to the words gaudy and ostentatious.
17 posted on 09/03/2002 12:16:23 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: NYer
For 200 large, you would think they could have thrown in a skybox or two.......they remembered the concession stand.
18 posted on 09/03/2002 12:30:12 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY
Maybe a party room and/or a luxury suite. You know, in case corporate people would like to do business during Mass.
19 posted on 09/03/2002 12:39:06 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona; NYer
Hold everything! A freeper just posted an article saying the cathedral only cost 195 mil. Now that's a bargain!

I can't help imagining a bunch of drunken Shriners who are meeting at the convention center portion of this complex, parading through the church(?) portion of the building in conga-line fashion. How does the song go, "I love L.A.".
20 posted on 09/03/2002 12:46:45 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY
Hubby says the aisles are so wide the Cardinal can avoid subpoenas when he walks down...
21 posted on 09/03/2002 12:51:34 PM PDT by Dusty Rose
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To: Dusty Rose
LOL
22 posted on 09/03/2002 12:56:25 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: NYer
The doors look like props left over from a Star Wars movie. The smoking cauldron on the candy-makers table seems appropriate to Mahony's vision and faith.


23 posted on 09/03/2002 3:32:47 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
May I humbly and sincerely ask a question? Was there anyone in authority over Mahoney that could have stopped this? Or is he a free agent according to church law?

Becky

24 posted on 09/03/2002 3:37:43 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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How ugly. Not a very inviting place to pray. What else could I expect? The nuns - no words - but one comes to mind. Disgust.
25 posted on 09/03/2002 3:47:27 PM PDT by oremus
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Was there anyone in authority over Mahoney that could have stopped this? Or is he a free agent according to church law?

Becky, these are good questions. The bishop makes the decisions in accordance with The General Instruction of the Roman Missal . The GIRM details the guidlines that must be met when constructing a new church (or cathedral) or renovating an existing one. Here are just a portion of those guidelines:

I. GENERAL PRINCIPLES

253. For the celebration of the eucharist, the people of God normally
assemble in a church or, if there is none, in some other fitting
place worthy of so great a mystery. Churches and other places of
worship should therefore be suited to celebrating the liturgy and to
ensuring the active participation of the faithful. Further, the
places and requisites for worship should be truly worthy and
beautiful, signs and symbols of heavenly realities.[72]

254. At all times, therefore, the Church seeks out the service of the
arts and welcomes the artistic expressions of all peoples and
regions.[73] The Church is intent on keeping the works of art and the
treasures handed down from the past[74] and, when necessary, on
adapting them to new needs. It strives as well to promote new works
of art that appeal to the contemporary mentality.[75]

In commissioning artists and choosing works of art that are to become
part of a church, the highest artistic standard is therefore to be
set, in order that art may aid faith and devotion and be true to the
reality it is to symbolize and the purpose it is to serve.[76]

255. It is preferable that churches be solemnly consecrated. The
faithful should give due honor to the cathedral of their diocese and
to their own church as symbols of the spiritual Church that their
Christian vocation commits them to build up and extend.

256. All who are involved in the construction, restoration, and
remodeling of churches are to consult the diocesan commission on
liturgy and art. The local Ordinary is to use the counsel and help of
this commission whenever it comes to laying down norms on this
matter, approving plans for new buildings, and making decisions on
the more important issues.[77]

The details can be found here: GENERAL PLAN OF THE CHURCH .

If you take the time to read through these, you will discover that they are intentionally subjective in nature. What constitutes a "fitting place of worship" in one country might be viewed quite differently by another. Culture plays a large part in this as well.

Essentially, what we are saying, as american catholics on this thread, is that we don't particularly like this cardinal's choice of ANYTHING. It does, however, conform with the principles stated in the GIRM, whether or not we like it.

What and where does the protestant church go for a guideline? You have the Crystal Cathedral on the high end and my local Baptist church on the other.

26 posted on 09/03/2002 4:40:55 PM PDT by NYer
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re: photos #11

How...grotesque. A new low.

Barefoot nuns, eh? What on earth are they doing? This looks like it could be a torch lighting ceremony for the Olympics. This is New Age-iconoclastic-minimalist-flaky Novus Ordo Silliensis gone wrong. I feel sincerely sorry for any fellow Catholics stuck in LA at the moment. Mahony deserves a good spanking, but the way things are going these days, he might like that. God help us! Deliver us from ultra-neo-modernist New Age high weirdness in the sanctuary.

27 posted on 09/03/2002 4:44:11 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Salvation
Where were all the displaced Latinos from St. Vibiana's?

Shuddering in their hovels, is my guess. Someone posted an apt comment yesterday. In looking at that vast and immense expanse of travertine marble with its monochomatic color scheme, it is difficult ... no impossible, to imagine some poverty stricken Latino, walking in there to light a candle, kneel down and say a prayer to the Madonna. No candles, no kneelers, no statues ... simply those Birkenstock clad images of ?unknown? saints on tapestries that line the walls of this edifice.

28 posted on 09/03/2002 4:48:14 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen
You missed these pictures!!!
29 posted on 09/03/2002 4:50:09 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
I did miss them! Eegads!

How do you say... "homey don't wanna play this game no mo" ---- I can't take looking at or reading about Cardinal Mahony much longer.

30 posted on 09/03/2002 5:06:13 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: EODGUY
For 200 large, you would think they could have thrown in a skybox or two

Don't think he hasn't formulated this idea for the future? Truthfully, can you envision the average "Joe Bloe" walking in here to say a simple prayer? Mahony has totally misjudged his audience! Hollywood moguls are not church goers. He needs their money in the coffers to keep his palace running. This is what he will be facing down the line.


Christ driving the money changers out of the Temple.

31 posted on 09/03/2002 5:31:13 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
It was opening ceremonies at the Olympics! LOL! I hadn't even seen the picture!
32 posted on 09/03/2002 6:52:37 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Aren't they incensing the altar? Usually this takes place at Easter and Christmas and is done by the priest with the deacon, MC, and altar boys joining in the procession.
33 posted on 09/03/2002 7:11:51 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: EODGUY
How does the song go, "I love L.A.".

Actually, Alan Parsons Project's "Cirius" comes to mind.

34 posted on 09/04/2002 1:05:32 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: EODGUY
I can't help imagining a bunch of drunken Shriners who are meeting at the convention center portion of this complex,

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Roger would rent space to Freemasons. You think those little cars and motorcycles would leave skid marks? Wouldn't surprise me if he allows the adult entertainment industry or NAMBLA to hold a convention there either.

35 posted on 09/04/2002 10:51:35 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
I wonder if he'd book a Marilyn Manson performance.......stupid question, the dedication ceremony looked like a Marilyn Manson performance.
36 posted on 09/04/2002 2:38:45 PM PDT by EODGUY
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