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Miracle Cure Brings Sainthood to Polish Nun (Divine Mercy)
Detroit News via the Washington Post ^ | April 26, 2000 | Carlyle Murphy

Posted on 09/03/2002 12:16:14 PM PDT by Aliska

Miracle Cure: Priest's recovery brings sainthood to Polish nun

By Caryle Murphy/The Washington Post In 1995, the Rev. Ronald P. Pytel, just 48, had resigned himself to an idle life and early death. His heart was so damaged that simply walking made him winded. His complexion was pallid, his weight a gaunt 140 pounds. His quality of life, he recalls one doctor saying, "wasn't worth a plug nickel." But the pastor of Holy Rosary Catholic Church in Baltimore, like many of his parishioners, had long been devoted to Faustina Kowalska, a Polish nun and mystic who died in 1938. At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her for his health when Pytel fell to the floor and, although conscious, couldn't get up for 15 minutes. "I could talk, but I couldn't move a muscle," he recalled. "It was as though I was paralyzed." When he finally stood up, he felt so fit he began laughing. Nowadays, the blond Pytel has the rosy cheeks of a choirboy, weighs a hearty 170 pounds and swims with abandon. His pumping machine is so robust he jokes of having "the heart of a 19-year-old." He and his parishioners call what happened a miracle. And so does the Catholic Church.

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Something positive to think about.
1 posted on 09/03/2002 12:16:14 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: NYer
ping. You might want to ping the others. Old news but I hadn't heard about it.
2 posted on 09/03/2002 12:17:27 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
He and his parishioners call what happened a miracle.

I'd second that opinion! Here's some additional information.

You could say that Reverend Ronald P. Pytel spent the first half of 1995 in congestive heart failure. By June of that year, a Doppler echocardiogram revealed a calcium dome over his aorta was only allowing 20% of blood to flow. Following emergency surgery, his prognosis was still grim--too much damage was sustained to his heart. He was uninsurable, and his active duties as a parish priest would have to be severely curtailed

In October, Pytel joined a group in a healing service that called upon Faustina Kowalska, a Polish nun and mystic, to intervene on his behalf. After venerating a first-class relic of the Blessed Faustina, Pytel dropped to the floor, conscious, but unable to move a muscle for fifteen minutes. When he did arise, the pastor felt so good he laughed. Pytel’s next Doppler echocardiogram showed a normal heart.

What happened during that service? According to Pytel, it was the intercession of the Blessed Faustina that brought forth the healing power of Christ. In fact, this miracle ultimately led to Kowalska’s canonization.

3 posted on 09/03/2002 12:37:31 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
This was the only thing that bothered me about it:

Pytel dropped to the floor, conscious, but unable to move a muscle for fifteen minutes

It sounds like more charismatic shenanigans to me. Only that part.

I read up on these sorts of things for years, trying to find indicators to distinguish the true from the false. Can't say that I ever got it figured out. I read what those cured from Lourdes described. I think only one said anything about a "feeling of electricity". Most felt "cold". Don't remember anyone being temporarily "knocked out".

My interest in learning to discern came about as a result of the alleged cures at Medjugorje. To my knowledge, no one has received a lasting, documented cure there, although I would be willing to concede that sometimes God grants favors through the false if one's heart is right to lead them into truth. Still, the proof is in the pudding, so to speak, and if he has received a lasting cure, it is a genuine miracle imo (evidently the church thought so, too).

4 posted on 09/03/2002 12:46:01 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska; Matchett-PI; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7
At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her [Faustina]
Something positive to think about.

Let me get this straight; you think it is a positive thing when people idolize other people?!!?
5 posted on 09/03/2002 12:57:42 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Don't you believe in miracles?
6 posted on 09/03/2002 1:09:14 PM PDT by Codie
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To: CCWoody
So what is your take on what happened?

a. It didn't really happen. It was an illusion.

b. The Devil did it.

c. The doctor was in cahoots with the pope,

d. It was a coincidence.

e. He is only in remission.

f. The reporter was making it up to sell newspapers.

g. All of the above.

Yes, I think it is a positive thing when anyone gets a healing from a serious condition that medical science cannot explain.

Lots of things happen like this for catholics. In proportion to the overall rate of sickness, they are few and far between. Protestants also get healed and their prayers answered in a dramatic way sometimes, but I haven't seen one written up in a major newspaper for a very long time. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one instance.

What is the root of your attitude:

a. Jealousy.

b. Legalism.

c. Hatred because they do it a little differently.

d. Sour grapes.

7 posted on 09/03/2002 2:13:02 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: CCWoody
Let me get this straight; you think it is a positive thing when people idolize other people?!!?

No one said anything about idolizing other people. Prayer to the Saints requesting their intercession on our behalf with the one mediator, Jesus Christ, is Scriptural.

8 posted on 09/03/2002 2:21:18 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER; CCWoody
Nothing you could possibly say to ccwoody will penetrate. He is going to believe we are idol worshipers regardless of facts. That is what happens when you are blinded by hatred.
9 posted on 09/03/2002 2:27:15 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Aliska
What is the root of your attitude?

John Calvin.

10 posted on 09/03/2002 2:34:35 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
John Calvin.

Who was he? :-)

Yeah, I've got some Scotch-Presbyterianism running in my blood.

11 posted on 09/03/2002 2:47:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
Yeah, I've got some Scotch-Presbyterianism running in my blood.

As do I.Enjoyed your post,keep them coming.

12 posted on 09/03/2002 3:00:55 PM PDT by Codie
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To: NYer
In fact, this miracle ultimately led to Kowalska's canonization.

Isn't the possibilty there that God meant for this to have led to the cannonization of the Priest instead of this nun? Maybe God was just trying to keep this saint alive a little longer to do His work.

Becky

13 posted on 09/03/2002 3:02:44 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: JMJ333; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Aliska; Codie; RnMomof7; the_doc; Matchett-PI
At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her [Faustina]
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Perhaps all you Catholics can clear up for me where Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural. ~ (SMEDLEYBUTLER)

BTW, for all you Catholics, there is a Scriptural basis for healing: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: I just can't seem to find in this passage where it says to pray to the dead or pray to any man.

Nothing you could possibly say to ccwoody will penetrate. He is going to believe we are idol worshipers regardless of facts. That is what happens when you are blinded by hatred.

Oh, I forgot, you are that blindly emotional person who cannot accept any word which exposes anything you believe to be in error. You also, if I remember made sure you defended the honor of your Pope, but ignored the post of another Freeper who said that Jesus would return as a San Fran homosexual. It is telling of your priorities. Rage on!
14 posted on 09/03/2002 3:02:45 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
What part of the word "intercessory" don't you understand? You sit there looking down you nose at us in disdain and smugness and can't figure out how to look up a word in the dictionary and see out how it applies to the saints. We aren't worshiping them, oh highly favored one. We only worship the Trinity. We ASK the saints for help with intercessory prayer. Apparently, this is too complicated for you to grasp.
15 posted on 09/03/2002 3:07:43 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: CCWoody
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

We must remember that Jesus said this before there were any saints and before there was any church. He never specifically tells us not to.

Catholics can't just pray to anyone who has gone to the next life. Before you can pray to the departed, they must have been declared "venerable" by the church.

You still didn't answer my question. To just exactly what or who do you attribute the priest's healing?

How do you explain to the doctor of this man what happened?

What do you tell the Washington Times reporter if he asks for your input?

We know what you will say to us.

16 posted on 09/03/2002 3:13:02 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Codie
He is simply following the party line. No one gets between the sinner and Jesus. Logically this would rule out all prayer except in praise of God and asking that His Will be done. Of course, that is going to happen anyway, right?
17 posted on 09/03/2002 3:20:04 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Isn't the possibilty there that God meant for this to have led to the cannonization of the Priest instead of this nun? Maybe God was just trying to keep this saint alive a little longer to do His work.

Probably not the way the church handles these matters. God would have known what was needed to clinch Sr. Faustina's sainthood.

I would venture that it is God's purpose to make the priest a saint, too. He wants all of us to become saints (protestants included), even if we all don't get the formal recognition from the church.

So, yes, you would be correct.

18 posted on 09/03/2002 3:22:16 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: JMJ333; drstevej
At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her [Faustina]
We ASK the saints for help with intercessory prayer. Apparently, this is too complicated for you to grasp.

You are free to do exactly what you want to do. Pray to a piece of green cheese for all I care. Nevertheless, you need to show me where Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural ~ (SMEDLEYBUTLER) to show me that praying to the dead or any man is the right thing to do. That is, after all, a far different thing to do than asking a saint to pray and make intercession for you.
19 posted on 09/03/2002 3:23:42 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Aliska
To just exactly what or who do you attribute the priest's healing?

Wasn't there, can't say! This is not really my objection to the article anyway. You just want to make it about this so that you can avoid answering my questions.
20 posted on 09/03/2002 3:26:14 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
The prayer to her is not one of worship but is akin to asking for a favor and does not in any way imply worship of Faustina. Apparently, the concpet of intercessory prayer is beyond your limited mental capabilities.

Main Entry: in·ter·ces·sion
Pronunciation: "in-t&r-'se-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin intercession-, intercessio, from intercedere
Date: 15th century
1 : the act of interceding
2 : prayer, petition, or entreaty in favor of another
- in·ter·ces·sion·al /-'sesh-n&l, -'se-sh&-n&l/ adjective
- in·ter·ces·sor /-'se-s&r/ noun
- in·ter·ces·so·ry /-'ses-rE, -'se-s&-rE/ adjective

Get it? Its asking for a favor. Oh nevermind....

21 posted on 09/03/2002 3:28:38 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Aliska; JMJ333; Codie; CCWoody
***We must remember that Jesus said this before there were any saints and before there was any church.***

What about Abraham, Moses and David (and other Old Testament saints)? Why may these not intercede for you? Do only post-Pentecost believers qualify?

Can John the Baptist intercede? He was killed prior to Pentecost?
22 posted on 09/03/2002 3:30:09 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: JMJ333
At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her [Faustina]
Get it? Its asking for a favor. Oh nevermind....

Sure I get it. There is a Biblical basis for me making intercession for another person. I can go to my Bible and simply read the verse for myself. You simply need to show me from the Bible where Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural.

As I said, feel free to pray to [mouldy] green cheese if you want.

Do you get that!
23 posted on 09/03/2002 3:36:56 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: drstevej
John can intercede. He is a saint. We can ask favors from any saint that is in heaven. John is the patron of baptism, bird dealers, diocese of Charleston South Carolina, converts, convulsions, convulsive children, cutters, diocese of Dodge City, Kansas, epilepsy, epileptics, farriers, Genoa Italy, hail, hailstorms, Jordan, Knights Hospitaller, Knights of Malta, lambs, Maltese Knights, monastic life, motorways, diocese of Paterson, New Jersey, Penzance, Cornwall, England, diocese of Portland Maine, printers, Quebec, Sassano Italy, diocese of Savannah, Georgia, spasms, tailors, Torino, Italy Representation

We can ask him to intercede for us to God, along with our own prayer to God. Never hurts to have help from those who died for Him and in Him

24 posted on 09/03/2002 3:40:26 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Aliska; Jean Chauvin
We must remember that Jesus said this before there were any saints and before there was any church. He never specifically tells us not to.

BTW, although this is incidental to the true discussion, I'll risk asking this question: How does your Bible translate this verse:
25 posted on 09/03/2002 3:40:42 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Yeah, I get it. You're incapable of understand dictionary definitions, even more uncapable of understand when someone tells you they don't worship a saint because they ask patronage of them. I know...you being elect and all don't need any extra help or guidance. Yeah...I got it all right...
26 posted on 09/03/2002 3:42:28 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej
Are not prayers to and for the dead an old Jewish custom?
27 posted on 09/03/2002 3:43:31 PM PDT by Codie
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To: JMJ333
understand=understanding...sorry for the typos...
28 posted on 09/03/2002 3:43:42 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej
John can intercede. He is a saint. ~JMJ333

Gosh, and I'm only the patron of mesquite [wood]!
29 posted on 09/03/2002 3:46:33 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Codie
So asking Abraham, Moses and David is legitimate from a RC perspective?

BTW, Jewish customs are not sufficient grounds for determining doctrine, are they?
30 posted on 09/03/2002 3:48:45 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: JMJ333
Who handles Saint duties for owners of 1995 Pontiac Bonnevilles with slipping transmissions? I can use some help.
31 posted on 09/03/2002 3:50:23 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: CCWoody
You could never be a saint because of your utter arrogence. Saints are humble and don't tout themselves as "highly favored" and "elect" above others.
32 posted on 09/03/2002 3:51:39 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Why preclude Moses, Abraham, David, etc. ??? Also, was John not an Old Testament saint... he died before Calvary.

BTW, is there a patron saint of Pueblo pottery collectors?
I am also an astro fan, but I understand there is already a patron saint of hopeless causes. :)
33 posted on 09/03/2002 3:54:08 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Wrigley
I am sure there are patron saints of cars, notwithstanding your sarcasm. I guess we have moved on from the topic of intercession to the topic of what is interceded. I am not ashamed to ask the saints for help as well as petitioning God. I can use all the help I can get...and unlike some of you, recognize humility as a virtue.
34 posted on 09/03/2002 3:54:48 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej
See post 34.
35 posted on 09/03/2002 3:55:17 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Pardon the pottery references and astros reference, I really wasn't trying to be derogatory.

The question re OT saint is a genuine question. I do not know why these would be excluded from recognized intecessors.
36 posted on 09/03/2002 3:58:00 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Funny story here Steve. I was walking my dog last evening and came across a family playing baseball in their front yard. One of the children was an 5 or 6 year old girl. She was a bit afraid of my dog, or it could have been me. Her father saw that I was wearing a Cub cap and told his daughter. "Don't be afraid of them, they're Cub fans, their harmless by September." I laughed so hard I had tears running down my face. Made some new friends though.
37 posted on 09/03/2002 3:58:59 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
Great story, and so true.
38 posted on 09/03/2002 4:00:10 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
BTW, is there a patron saint of Pueblo pottery collectors? I am also an astro fan, but I understand there is already a patron saint of hopeless causes. :)

Yaknow, Mr. PhD of tap dancing, it's those kinds of remarks that convinces me that I was right about you from the gitgo despite the little ":)" after your post. You are disrespectful horse's a$$.

39 posted on 09/03/2002 4:00:24 PM PDT by Sock
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To: JMJ333
Sarcasm was meant to make a point.
40 posted on 09/03/2002 4:01:06 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Sock
Your comment is ignored.
41 posted on 09/03/2002 4:01:09 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I do not know specifically. I have never thought about it. Perhaps someone else can address it better than I can. My guess would be that those in the old testament aren't asked to intercede because they didn't participate in the salvific work of Christ and His church. In other words, we recognize saints who lived and died for the Christian faith. But again, that is only a guess.
42 posted on 09/03/2002 4:03:33 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej
You're still a horse's a$$ regardless.
43 posted on 09/03/2002 4:04:08 PM PDT by Sock
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To: Wrigley
I understood, but disagree because I see nothing wrong with asking for help from God and His saints for whatever it is I may need. It doesn't hurt to have intercession on my behalf for the things that are important to me.
44 posted on 09/03/2002 4:06:19 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Thanks for the response. Perhaps someone else has more to add.
45 posted on 09/03/2002 4:10:47 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: JMJ333
I'll just leave it at that. My intention wasn't to destroy the thread.
46 posted on 09/03/2002 4:17:14 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: CCWoody
Lawyers pray all the time.
47 posted on 09/03/2002 4:18:46 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: drstevej
So asking Abraham, Moses and David is legitimate from a RC perspective?

Honestly,I've never thought about this.It's not a bad question.I know someone I can ask.I'll let you know what I find out.

48 posted on 09/03/2002 4:24:47 PM PDT by Codie
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To: drstevej
Dear drstevej,

"I am also an astro fan, but I understand there is already a patron saint of hopeless causes. :)"

Indeed, that is my own patron saint, St. Jude.

As to OT guys, they're saints, you can ask them to intercede on your behalf.

As to your further questions, this article gives a little illumination: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11562a.htm

It's a bit long, so I'm not going to quote from it. But, several paragraphs in, the article speaks about patron saints as folks who proclaimed the Gospel.

Hope it helps.

sitetest
49 posted on 09/03/2002 4:25:48 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest; Codie
thanks.
50 posted on 09/03/2002 4:29:09 PM PDT by drstevej
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