Miracle Cure Brings Sainthood to Polish Nun (Divine Mercy)

Detroit News via the Washington Post ^ | April 26, 2000 | Carlyle Murphy

[CCWoody]

The others demanded of me answers and I complied. Now it is you guys turn.

Really? You have yet to supply me with a single verse which says that Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural. The closest we have is a post from the Catholic Encyclopedia. It has been answered.

And woody, don't pretend like you have no idea what I am talking about.

I suppose you are wanting to know where my authority to intrepret scripture comes from. Of course, you want to claim we have no authority to intrepret scripture so you can simply declare yourself the victor here. Well, if we have no authority and you have the Holy Spirit on your side, then it should become clear rather fast that we are not correct. Unfortunately for you, it does not appear to be working out that way.

My Authority is the Holy Spirit. I have no special whispers from a priestly caste to tell me what to believe and spoon feed me Romish poison.

Now, can we get back to this discussion that you are losing badly about praying to the saints.

[CCWoody]

I'm sure you can find numerous bible verses....

I can also produce verses to backup my authority to intrepret scripture. However, this is incidental to the discussion that you are losing. If you have the proper Authority on your side, then we should get slaughtered fairly quickly. The problem is that it isn't working out that way.

Even worse for you is the fact that you have been told, and believe, that you don't have the authority. Perhaps it would just be best if you would toddle along to get whoever it is that has such authority and we can discuss it directly with him. I hate all this proxy debating.

[JMJ333]

In other words, you are your own authority for your interpretations of scripture. Its laughable to claim that the Holy Spirit guided you to interpret scripture correctly. Laughable.

How do you know the scipture you are using is truly inspired since it was compiled by Rome? The authority you reject?

As to the saints, I will say this: How can anyone even take you seriously when you have no authority for scripture but yourself? I've explained it to you, but you don't accept it because you're determined to paint us as idol worshipers. We've been through the discussion of intercession and you choose not to get it. I already said the prayer is "to" the saint, but it is akin to asking a favor, not "worship." That you choose to continually ignore that is telling.

[JMJ333]

Now can you please address post 107 regarding the Trinity?

[drstevej]

OP's #129 answers your #107.

[Aliska]

Christianity has adopted many practices that aren't scriptural.

There is nothing explicit in the bible about women receiving communion (or eating the bread if you are protestant). You will want to put a stop to that for the sake of scriptural purity.

[JMJ333]

Good morning, steve. =)

And know, it really isn't an answer. I listed the scripture passages, old and new testament, and nowhere does it explain the Trinity as we teach it today.

The answer to the origin of the Son and the Holy Spirit is in the Church's teaching that in God there are two internal divine processions. The word procession is used here to mean the origin of one from another . . . one proceeding from another. He can try and twist it otherwise, but the fact is that it simply isn't explained that way in scripture. Which brings me back to the point that sola scriptura is unbiblical and unreliable as a source to use when debating theology, and gives little to no weight for his arguments on saints.

[Codie]

Didn't St.Paul (entreated, implored) saints to pray for him to God?

[Aliska]

Incorrect. There is nothing in the Magisterium that says you can't pray to (in addition to for) the souls in Purgatory.

I'm not sure you are right on this point, but I don't know where it was I read that so I am unable to defend my position. I took it very much to heart at the time and never pray to anyone who hasn't been officially started on the road to canonization, even though I know it is a common practice for many catholics to pray to whomever they feel like who has gone on to the next life.

[Aliska]

I do not believe it is shenanigans.

No, it is real. I have experienced it myself and do not wish to do so again. I do not believe most of it is from God.

[drstevej]

Gotta run in a few minutes but wanted to bounce this off of you.

Given your (the RCC) position on authority, should you not restrict your comments on theological discussions to either quoting Scripture from the approved RC translation and / or quote a pronouncement by the Magisterium?

Any discussion of these by you, explaining of them or even paraphrasing them would violate your dictum against non-Magisterial interpretation. Would it not?

Or are you in bounds so long as your comments are consistent with Scripture or the teaching of the Magisterium? And how do you know you are in bounds when you comment or explain either Scripture or RCC teaching?

I will grant you a dispensation to answer this post without criticism from me of your right to answer such questions with comments other than quotes. :)

Mine is an honest inquiry of the RCC doctrine of Authority and it's implications for laity.

[Matchett-PI]

BTTT for another airtight argument that will still be unconvincing to those in need of de-programming, who sing:

"My hope is built on nothing less / Than Popish Bulls and Vatican Press". :D

[drstevej]

Addendum: Good morning!

[JMJ333]

I'll be back in a few minutes to answer you. I have a long distance phone call.

[RnMomof7]

So what is your take on what happened?
b. The Devil did it.

Lets just say the devil is very happy when people take their eyes off Christ and turn to man..

Remember " ye shall be as gods"?