WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE[AtThisTime] PRAY IN TONGUES

Meri Burlingame's AP list ^ | 16 SEP 2002 | Chris Strom [of Andrew Strom]

[Quix]

WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
Meri Burlingame
Sep 16, 2002

Chris Strom

From: "Chris Strom" Date sent: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:48:45 +1200

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
- by C. Strom. [-My father. -Andrew.]

I was woken early this morning by the "noise" of my spirit shouting silently in tongues. (Nothing can shout as loud as when silently praying in tongues!) Over this prayer was the clear message in English:

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES."

As I continued to pray I felt the following things:

(1) To alert as many people as possible to this message. That it wasn't just for me.

(2) That the battle is spiritual, not physical. That if we Christians win the battle spiritually, the physical battle will not be necessary (2Chron 20).

(3) That the same negative spiritual power that was behind Nebuchadnezzar is behind Saddam Hussein. First we must bind this strong man in the background before his puppet, the strong man in the foreground will equally submit and allow his goods to be spoiled.

(4) In practical terms: we must win the prayer battle before that spiritual power will allow Saddam to submit to the unqualified unrestricted viewing of all sites essential to prevent war.

(5) That tongues is essential. That we cannot possibly pray accurately enough in sufficient detail in English to accomplish this depth of intercession.

(6) To especially draw Christians' attention to 1 Thess 5:17,19:

Pray without ceasing...Quench not the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will continue to pray in tongues through us (Acts 2:4) so long as we continue to co-operate with Him in this urgent occupation. Don't let other preoccupations quench Him, as can so easily happen.

(7) That fasting acts as an intensifier. Fasting amplifies the prayer. That any form of fasting is better than no fasting at all. Fasting from TV, or partial fasting, for instance. If you can't pray because of work but can fast, remember that "fasting is your whole body praying."

(8) Finally, that things would never have got this bad if only Christians had prayed. Far too many Christians are sidetracked on other good things and are neglecting the essential of prayer. Far too many intercessors are stuck on receiving revelation before praying when we already have the supernatural weapon par excellence of Holy Spirit gifted tongues. Pray without ceasing! Literal Greek: Pray without a pause!

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[Quix]

FINALLY, someone else articulates what I've been feeling for many weeks. I believe this is an important call to prayer. If you find the shoe doesn't fit you, please ignore it. It is a call for those with ears and a heart to hear it.

IF you doubt prayer has much impact on such world wide events, then you may be unaware of the MANY great moves of God based on prayerful intercession throughout the great wars of history. Many of the supernatural aspects of Israel's 6 day war remain not widely published.

[Quix]

I personally am not sure HOW un-inevitable war with Iraq is depending on adequate intercession. I believe there is a fair amount of wiggle room, so to speak. I believe Russian etc. signs are that the limbo could drag out for years--especially if Hussain does his usual shucking and jiving dance with inspectors in-country.

But I DO believe WWIII is delayablel-probably into the 2006 time frame referenced in some of the Bible Codes.

So, I guess I believe there's two nodes or areas of concern, impact that intercession could be brought to bear on--Saddam and that whole ball of wax--and then WWIII and the Chinese/Russians/North Koreans/Cubans and Mexicans as many have seen in dozens and dozens of dreams and visions.

As well, I believe the reason so many terrorist cells etc. have been being busted is that there has been a LOT of focused intercession TO THAT END--FOR MANY MONTHS.

Anyway--my 2 cents worth.

[Ff--150]

ping??

[4CJ]

Is someone trying to send a message? ;o)

[Ff--150]

a ping for you:o)

[w_over_w]

Thanks brother . . . I'm taking my time with this one.

[sola gracia]

Any input????

[Jean Chauvin]

"Any input???? "

Nope, the cat got my 'tongues'!

Jean

[lockeliberty]

At this time I don't speak in tongues ( I don't speak in any other foreign languages) but I do pray in the spirit.

I sure think we could use some Christians that can speak in Arabic.

[Quix]

THANKS,

Does anyone have a Charismatic/Pentecostal ping list?

[Quix]

THANKS.

[Quix]

THANKS, CUTE.

[RnMomof7]

I am sure the Amil's have all the answers for this problem...Satan is bound and this is the kingdom...so it is all fine...

[Quix]

SOME MONTHS OR YEARS--I FORGET WHICH . . . after the Holy Spirit goose bumps; tingles had worn well off, I was being hassled by the enemy that it was all made up in my head.

Mercifully, The Lord broke in to the dialogue with the enemy and quietly asked me if I was saved by faith or feelings.

He then asked me if praying in tongues was Biblical. He then encouraged me to pray accordingly in faith and trust Holy Spirit and The Father to respond fittingly. Been doing that ever since. Sometimes I have heavy anointing feelings and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I pray in a "language" not my usual "tongue" but usually I don't. Often a different "language" occurs with heavy anointing--and usually in some situation where someone else is really needing a touch or heavy intervention by God.

I've taken to suggesting to people who are genuinely saved etc. to just start stepping out of the boat in faith and praying in a combination of sounds NOT part of a language they know--that is--a pattern of a combination of sounds--the pattern of which is not part of a language they know. AND, TO TRUST HOLY SPIRIT TO BE TAKING YOUR ACTIVE FAITH IN SUCH A MANNER AND TRANSMITTING THE DEEP INNER MOST NEEDS OF YOUR SPIRIT; OF YOUR DESIRE FOR INTERCESSION--WHATEVER--THAT HOLY SPIRIT WILL THEN TRANSMIT THE MOST FITTING ***MEANING*** TO THE FATHER.

Have been glad to have taken that perspective as it has blessed many, many people--deepened their prayer life and walk with Father enormously . . . . as well, of course, their relationship with Jesus, The Christ.

Besides, I've OFTEN been in desperate situations where I've said all I knew to say in English and the burden was still heavy. If I hadn't known how to pray in tongues, I'd have felt enormously spiritually constipated and helpless. Literally groaning as with a stomach ache only goes so far toward relieving that, for me.

And it's wonderful to see/feel after a season of prayer in tongues that the burden lifts.

I read a man once who claimed that praying in tongues 2 hours every day for 6 months would change one's life forever. I suspect praying at all for 2 hours a day would change one's life forever but I think his point is very apt.

[anniegetyourgun]

No, because this was a personal experience with a private interpretation. I prefer the order laid out in scripture which is designed to edify the Body when they are assembled wherein everyone can hear the message and everyone can hear the interpretation. This, because I test all things against the Word of God.

Having said that, I don't part ways with my charismatic brothers - until they begin to suggest that somehow I am not saved or less of a believer because of our differences on this non-essential.

[Quix]

Easy to respect.

A Biblical case CAN be made, though, as I'm sure you're aware of--that Paul advocated praying in tongues as well as wishing that all Christians were acquainted productively with using tongues.

Anyway--PLEASE Pray however God leads you as long as you pray!

[sheltonmac]

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES."

I'll quote the inimitable Christian lyricist Steve Taylor:

If the Bible doesn't back it, then it seems quite clear--
Perhaps it was the Devil who whispered in your ear!

First of all, the Acts 2:4 passage you quote is out of context. It in no way implies that the Holy Spirit "will continue to pray in tongues through us." It was referring to a specific incident when God's Holy Spirit descended upon His people. By the way, the "tongues" spoken of in Acts were actual languages of the time. If you read on, you find that while the disciples were speaking, the Holy Spirit acted as a translator and all present heard the words of the disciples in his own language. This, of course, was all part of the supernatural event of Pentecost. "Tongues" is never referred to in Scripture as some secret, special language that is only known to the one uttering the words. While speaking in tongues was addressed in the New Testament, Paul tells us, "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself" (1 Cor. 14:4). He goes on to say in the following verses that the church receives edification only when the tongue the speaker is using is interpreted.

Secondly, regardless of how or why we pray, we do not have the power to change God's will. For example, someone earnestly praying for the healing of a loved one suffering from cancer does not in and of itself ensure that recovery is inevitable. I have known people who actually believe that if you pray for healing and it wasn't granted, you didn't pray hard enough, long enough, or faithfully enough. That is a dangerous position to take. We should never operate under the assumption that our prayers can somehow magically alter God's plan for us. It is true that prayer is a powerful weapon in the arsenal of the believer, but prayer should always be in accordance with His will. Prayer is a form of communion with our Heavenly Father and it is through prayer and study of His word that we are able to become aligned with His will for our lives.

[lockeliberty]

TRANSMITTING THE DEEP INNER MOST NEEDS OF YOUR SPIRIT; OF YOUR DESIRE FOR INTERCESSION--WHATEVER--THAT HOLY SPIRIT WILL THEN TRANSMIT THE MOST FITTING ***MEANING*** TO THE FATHER

Do you think that the Holy Spirit can transmit the needs of a believer to the Father without the believer engaging in the act of speaking in incomprehensible sounds?

Paul gives some very strong warnings about speaking in the "tongues" you describe, what is your interpretation of those warnings?

[BibChr]

Yeah, well, been there, did that, read 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, believed it and 2 Timothy 3:15-18, don't do that anymore.

That's what I've got. (c8

Dan

Straight Talk on Tongues

[George W. Bush]

Well, assuming for the moment that we actually don't want a war on Saddam, if we just pretended to pray in tongues to avert the war, how would anyone know we were faking it?