This forum is not the place for joke telling.
Posted on 09/24/2002 7:54:39 PM PDT by RnMomof7
<> Does this mean any number is acceptable to you?<>
<> Yes. The Pope. He speaks for ALL Christians in the name of Jesus of Nazareth and those who hear the Pope, hear Jesus. That you reject that rudimentary fact is troublesome, for you.<>
<> Thank you. Then, contrary to the desire of this article then, I will stick with 30,000. (I think you have more authority than xins) :)<>
Just because I might go to a Baptist church with a friend does not make me a Baptist and just because this vote troller wants to appeal to everyone and uses attendance at a church to label himself as a member of a large bloc of voters does not mean he's Catholic.What it does do,is permit you to know in advance that he's a liar.He is not a person of integrity because what he says he is,he is not.
If voters demanded honesty from their candidates we might be spared some of the nuttiness that we are experiencing in this country now.
<> LOL it was a jape.
BTW, God designed me to be of practical use in the real world. :) <>
OK, prove it.
OK. Tell a Catholic that the Priest (and not God) forgives their sins and a Catholic will say, "That's not true, God is forgiving their sins through the priest."
The show them them catechism which says:
"Indeed bishops and priests, by virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, have the power to forgive all sins 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' " Pg. 367, #1461
To which the "everyday Catholic" will respond,
"No Catholics I know believe the Catechism, that's just what those people in Rome say."
I hear it regularly.
Can you show me what the catechism says about "salvation?"
The show them them catechism which says:
"Indeed bishops and priests, by virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, have the power to forgive all sins 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' " Pg. 367, #1461
<> LOL Tell me how that is a contradiction.<>
I'm sure.
I don't even think about whether I'm in agreement with Roman theology. It isn't an issue. I'm not protesting anything having to do with them.
That's probably because you are "standing on the shoulders of giants."
I disagree on some things. I agree on others. If my disagreements make me a "protester" do my agreements make me a "kissin' cousin?" LOL :>)
You betcha. We must never forget the things we hold together.
SD
Who forgives sin? God or the priest?
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
It's this way, no it's that way, Oh,have it your way:)
Deny what? You have shown two things and suppose there is some contradiction in asserting the one over the other. That is not so. Where is the contradiction?
Who forgives sin? God or the priest?
Yes. Catholics understand this. You do not. That doesn't mean they are "denying" something.
The priest acts as the agent of God. God is working through the priest, much as God used humanity in Incarnating Himself. When Jesus cures the blind, do you ask "is it this man Jesus who heals, or is it God?"
Of course not. You understand that Jesus is God.
"Most Catholics," as you say, stress that God is the one doing the forgiving because certain people like to think that we think our priests have power to forgive on their own. They don't. As you quoted above the priest does have the power to forgive sins, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
He is acting for God. Or rather, God is acting through him.
If I give you power of attorney, you have the power to act "in my name." So if you sell my house to someone when you have my power of attorney, did "you" sell the house, or did "I?"
Does God forgive sins or does the priest? The only answer is "yes."
SD
And Mattthew 7:13 describes your 30,000 denominations perfectly!
Smash, Bash, Trash your words will never crush us:)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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