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To: WriteOn
Stick to the argument. We were talking about liturgy, not doctrine. But even here, you err. The deposit of faith IS something received as revelation and transmitted over the ages. Its doctrines may be clarified--i.e., developed--over time by the use of our reason, but they may not ever be contradicted precisely because they originate through divine revelation.

The traditional liturgy is not a doctrine but a divinely ordained action. The Old Mass, in fact, is profoundly connected to ancient sacrificial rituals. For example, the ancient Judaic rite of sacrifice followed the tri-partite pattern of oblation, immolation, consummation. The Old Mass follows this same ancient sacrificial formula with its Offertory (oblation), Consecration (immolation) and Communion (consummation). Simultaneously, the Old Mass transmits the faith by underscoring Catholic doctrines in its text and rubrics.

The new Mass disgards this ancient structure--just as it ignores fundamental Catholic doctrines in order to be user- friendly to Protestants. The idea that the pope, by assembling a committee, might fabricate such a liturgy, is alien to Tradition--i.e., to the Church's own experience of herself. It is a radical notion that is directly contrary to the faith and has already brought dire consequences.
32 posted on 11/25/2002 3:02:51 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
I didn't err. I explained the process by which doctrine is developed.

You can't possibly be claiming the Tridentine mass leaped into existence as a divinely ordained whole! Lol. The idea the liturgy hasn't been developed by the same process as doctrine is ridiculous. Your accepted the idea the liturgy evolves organically, but you can't explain the process. I am telling you the process is dialectical. Refute if you can.

Your statement that the Novus Ordo mass, doesn't have an offertory, consecration and communion is patently ignorant. You'll have to explain. Since it does, your argument that it disregards ancient structures is invalid. What fundamental Catholic doctrine is ignored that is intrinsic to the Mass?

94 posted on 11/26/2002 9:16:05 AM PST by WriteOn
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