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To: Desdemona
You wanted an example of modernism in the catechism. Let me give one example that bugs me. Here is paragraph 105: "For this reason the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she has venerated the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body."

This is modernist double-speak. In the Tradition of the Catholic Church, Sacred Scripture has NEVER been venerated the way we venerate Christ's Body, which has been ADORED. We do not worship Scripture, but we worship Christ's Presence in the Holy Eucharist. The attempt to ignore this huge difference and to pretend the two are held in equal esteem is offensive to the faith. This is the modernist, not the traditional, view, which conflates Christ's virtual presence in Scripture with his actual presence in the Sacred Host. This phony conflation occurs over and over in the Novus Ordo Mass.
37 posted on 11/25/2002 5:53:59 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
That is an amazing statement given the RC doctrine of the Real Presence.

38 posted on 11/25/2002 6:00:31 PM PST by drstevej
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To: ultima ratio


Remember the words of St. Jerome? -- "Ignorance of Scripture is Ignorance of Christ." That is all #103 of the catechism is saying.
41 posted on 11/25/2002 8:12:32 PM PST by american colleen
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To: ultima ratio; drstevej
Please get the edition of the Catechism that was corrected to accurately reflect Catholicism.

My paragraph 105 reads:"God is the author of Sacred Scripture.The divinely revealed realities,which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture,have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

'For Holy Mother Church,relying on the faith of the apostolic age,accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and New Testament,whole and entire,with all their parts,on the grounds that,written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,they have God as their author and have been handed on as such,to the Church herself."

I am upset that you,UR, continually use documents that were corrected by the Vatican because the conniving English translators twisted and spun the original version to say what they wanted.Then you contort things to put the very worst light on the Church for which you purport to care.You need to check your motives,if you desire to make others believe you care.

44 posted on 11/25/2002 8:54:17 PM PST by saradippity
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To: ultima ratio
In the Tradition of the Catholic Church, Sacred Scripture has NEVER been venerated the way we venerate Christ's Body, which has been ADORED. We do not worship Scripture, but we worship Christ's Presence in the Holy Eucharist.

Okay, no arguments from me. Frankly, I find myself gravitating toward older priests these days who say the first Eucharstic Prayer and really say Mass completely, not leaving things out. For one thing, the language is stronger. For another, you don't come away feeling like Mass wasn't finished. It drives me crazy that the whole part right after Offertory is now pretty much left out, that the Confiteor AND the Kyrie are not said EVERY Sunday Mass. That's what make it complete for me.

So, here I think there is some common ground.
75 posted on 11/26/2002 7:36:11 AM PST by Desdemona
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