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My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism
Envoy Magazine ^ | Pete Vere, JCL/M (Canon Law)

Posted on 01/20/2003 6:03:26 AM PST by NYer

The article is far too long to post. Click here: Who Was Archbishop Lefebvre?

If you’re a Catholic who’s faithful to the Church’s teaching Magisterium, you’ve probably met up with followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s 1988 schism, known as the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). They’re filled with devotion to the Blessed Mother, extremely conservative with regard to most moral issues afflicting the Western world today, and quite reverent before the Blessed Sacrament during their old Latin liturgies. In short, on the surface, adherents to Archbishop Lefebvre’s schism appear to be devout Catholics

It’s easy to sympathize with these folks since most of them have joined the SSPX after being scandalized by contemporary abuses in doctrine and liturgy in some of our Catholic churches in North America. In fact, it was precisely because of such sympathies, as well as the beauty of the Tridentine Mass, that I found myself frequenting SSPX chapels about eight years ago. Like most SSPX adherents, at the time I thought that my separation from Rome was merely temporary.

I failed to realize, however, that at the root of every schism, as the present Code of Canon Law explains, “is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him” (Can. 751). Such ruptures from communion with the Church, the Catechism of the Catholic Church points out, “wound the unity of Christ’s Body” (CCC 817). For that reason, at the heart of my journey back to full communion with Rome lay many questions about the unity of the Church as an institution founded by Christ.

The Novus Ordo Missae: Intrinsically Evil?
A common argument now put forward by the SSPX is that the revised liturgy of Pope Paul VI is intrinsically evil, or at the least poses a proximate danger to the Catholic faith. This would mean that the post-Vatican II liturgy is in and of itself contrary to the law of God. How individual Lefebvrites approach this issue will often vary, but they typically insist that the new Mass contains heresy, blasphemy or ambiguity. In resolving this question, I came to the personal conclusion that Christ has a sense of humor, since the same text from Catholic Tradition the SSPX quotes in defense of this claim is the very text that refutes it.

A preliminary observation is in order. The Mass has not changed since Christ instituted this sacrament on the night before His crucifixion. In essence, there is neither an “old” Mass nor a “new” Mass, but only the Mass. In fact what changed after the Second Vatican Council was not the Mass, but the liturgy.

This means that while the “accidents” (to use a classical theological term) differ somewhat between the pre-Vatican II liturgy and the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI, their essence remains the same: the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ transubstantiated into the Eucharist. This central mystery of the Mass takes place regardless of whether the priest celebrates according to the liturgical books in use before the Second Vatican Council or according to the liturgical books revised by Pope Paul VI. In fact, both sets of liturgical books are usages of the same Roman liturgical rite.

When I was associated with the SSPX, to defend the claim that the reformed liturgy is intrinsically evil I used to quote the seventh canon on the Sacrifice of the Mass from the Council of Trent. This canon states: “If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of Masses are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema.”

Let’s look at this more closely. Since the definition of intrinsic evil is “something which in and of itself is evil,” we see from the Council of Trent that an approved liturgy of the Church cannot be such. For something that is intrinsically evil is naturally an incentive to impiety, while the Council of Trent declares dogmatically that the approved liturgical ceremonies of the Catholic Church cannot be incentives to impiety.

But wait a second: Wasn’t the revised liturgy of Pope Paul VI an approved liturgy of the Church? Of course! So according to the Tradition of the Church as dogmatically defined at the Ecumenical Council of Trent, I could only conclude that the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI cannot be an incentive to impiety. It necessarily follows, then, that neither could it be intrinsically evil. Thus in my defense of the schismatic position I stood refuted by the very Catholic Tradition from the Council of Trent that I was seeking to preserve through adherence to the SSPX schism.


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To: ultima ratio
Why do you suppose the bishops have prohibited kneeling for Communion?

"Another fundamental right of the faithful, as noted in canon 213, is "the right to receive assistance by the sacred Pastors from the spiritual goods of the Church, especially the word of God and the Sacraments". In view of the law that "sacred" ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who opportunely ask for them, are properly disposed and are not prohibited by law from receiving them" (canon 843 § 1), there should be no such refusal to any Catholic who presents himself for Holy Communion at Mass, except in cases presenting a danger of grave scandal to other believers arising out of the person's unrepented public sin or obstinate heresy or schism, publicly professed or declared. Even where the Congregation has approved of legislation denoting standing as the posture for Holy Communion, in accordance with the adaptations permitted to the Conferences of Bishops by the Institution Generalis Missalis Romani n. 160, paragraph 2, it has done so with the stipulation that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. "
... Congregation de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum Rome, July 1, 2002

41 posted on 01/20/2003 11:50:24 AM PST by NYer
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To: ThomasMore
Does the Pope pray to the Triune God when he pours out a libation with Togo animists in their sacred forest?
42 posted on 01/20/2003 11:52:19 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Even with all these dire trends of the modernist age, I think many still desire the things you have just named. For example, a Perpetual Adoration Chapel was dedicated just FIVE YEARS AGO in the parish I grew up in, dedicated to the Divine Mercy. I make every effort to go there at least once a week. I grew up in a pretty traditionalist environment in this parish, where Forty Hours were celebrated, Benediction and Exposition were celebrated regularly, and Marian devotions were strong. While much of this left when our traditionalist priest left when I was about 10 years old, this experience was key to my faith development, and others who have experienced similar experiences are spreading these traditional devotion. Such things WILL not die, no matter how much the world changes. We should not despair.
43 posted on 01/20/2003 11:56:26 AM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: ultima ratio
Unfortunately, the New Mass subverts Catholic dogma. So does giving the red hat to a German heretic who publicly doubts the Resurrection and the Divinity of Christ

Have you even given God a chance to act on this on His own time?

Here is a perfect example of a priest who didn't believe the truth and God took care of it.

Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs. These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.

The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

44 posted on 01/20/2003 11:56:42 AM PST by tiki
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To: ultima ratio; Pyro7480; sitetest; Desdemona; Polycarp
Why is Communion now taken in the hands?

St. Cyril of Jerusalem, in his exquisite description of the Mass presented in his 'Catechetical Lectures,' dated around 350 A.D., provides these directions for receiving the Eucharist:

"In approaching, therefore, do not come up with your wrists apart or with your fingers spread, but make of your left hand a throne for the right, since you are about to receive into it a King. And having hollowed your palm, receive the Body of Christ, saying over it the 'Amen.' Then, after cautiously sanctifying your eyes by the touch of the Holy Body, partake, being careful lest you lose anything of it. For whatever you might lose is clearly a loss to you from one of your own members. Tell me: if someone gavbe you some grains of gold, would you not hold them with all carefulness, lest you might lose something of them and thereby suffer a loss? Will you not, therefore, be much more careful in keeping watch over wht is more precious than gold and gens, so that not a particle of it may escape you?

"Then, after you have communicated yourself of the Body of Christ, come forward also to the cup of His Blood, not reaching out with your hands, but bowing; and in an attitude of worship and reverence say the 'Amen,' and sanctify yourself by partaking also of the Blood of Christ. And while the moisture of it still adheres to your lips, touch it with your hands and sanctify your eyes and forehead and the rest of your senses. Then, while awaiting the prayer, give thanks to God, who has deemed you worthy of such great Mysteries." (The Faith of the Early Fathers, Jurgens, Vol. I, p. 366)

45 posted on 01/20/2003 12:00:32 PM PST by NYer
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To: ThomasMore
I never said the Holy See has "publicly" denied anything. They never do that. They change our religion in practice and punish those who don't go along. They do not discuss the changes. They never mention the Real Presence. If you ask the bishops why showing adoration by kneeling for Communion is prohibited, they will not answer that it's because they no longer believe in the Real Presence. They tell you it's to keep church traffic moving. They have torn out the communion rails, they have eliminated genuflections, they have ordered Communion in the hands, they have shunted-aside the tabernacles--and in every instance they will give some banal excuse. Taken individually, each excuse seems fairly plausible. But taken together they are an affront to the Catholic belief in the Real Presence. These people are very subtle, very sneaky. Yet if you examine the Novus Ordo line for line and rubric for rubric and compare it to the old Mass, you will comprehend better the shocking denials of traditional Catholic dogma in favor of the Protestant perspective.
46 posted on 01/20/2003 12:01:32 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: NYer
Two dogmas are violated by the Novus Ordo. The dogma of the Real Presence and the dogma of Expiation for sins. Both are suppressed.
47 posted on 01/20/2003 12:05:14 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
I want to ask, what makes you think that by separating that you can deal with any errors in the Church?

I have no power to change anything unless God chooses to work through me. I can't assure my Salvation by being good and trying not to sin. I am helpless and fall short but thanks to the Grace of God, I have a chance at eternal Salvation. If God wanted it fixed, today, He would fix it, with or without me.

48 posted on 01/20/2003 12:06:43 PM PST by tiki
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To: Pyro7480
You know, I don't know where to start either. If you are not aware of the enormous difference between the new Mass-- which Klaus Gamber has called a tragic break with Tradition--and the old Mass, I can't briefly summarize it for you other than to say the New Mass is a serious threat to the Faith of any Catholic. I will do so, however, at a later time. I'm pretty much worn out, going at this since this morning--and neglecting so much else.
49 posted on 01/20/2003 12:12:24 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: NYer
Give me a break. This letter from Rome doesn't reverse the prohibition by the bishops, it just asks that priests not refuse to give Communion to those who kneel. If Rome were truly upset that Catholics are now forbidden to adore the SECOND PERSON OF THE BLESSED TRINITY, it would reverse the decree. It did no such thing. It goes along with the modernist agenda. In fact, this letter proves my point.
50 posted on 01/20/2003 12:17:32 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: NYer
My only comment would be that of a retired priest friend, whose wholly orthodox professor of liturgy in seminary frequently reminded his class,

"Be not archeologizers."

Development of doctrine has lead us to understand far more profound and deeper truths about the Holy Eucharist. Just because its an old practice, it does not mean its a superior practice theologically.

I'm with Mother Teresa. I think communion in the hand is one of the most imprudent "prudential" decisions of the post-conciliar Church.

51 posted on 01/20/2003 12:20:01 PM PST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480
The chapel you mention and other devotions such as a restoration of Benediction--are grassroots reactions by the faithful, sometimes with the help of pious priests. These initiatives do not come from the bishops or from Rome who continue to whittle away at Catholic Traditions.
52 posted on 01/20/2003 12:20:26 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied

Name one central dogma of Catholicism that the Catechism denies.

53 posted on 01/20/2003 12:21:41 PM PST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: ultima ratio
I never said the Holy See has "publicly" denied anything.

Reread your post #18. You said,

But the problem is Rome's modernism which departs radically from the old Faith. It is indisputable that central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied.

Routinely "denied" sounds like denied to me.

You keep using the words (denied, denials). If individual bishops and priests and deacons are in error, then I agree with you. But you have implicated Rome (Holy See) with the sins of the few. Your words; It is indisputable that central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied.

Again, I say, name the ones that the Church has denied. The Church's teaching on the Real Presence is available to all Catholics in the Universal Catechism. There is no reason, outside of illiteracy, that one can claim ignorance; for the Catechism is readily available. Nothing in liturgy can deny these dogmas because the dogmas are explained plainly enough. You see the Novus Ordo as an affront to these dogmas. Others don't. If people don't understand good Eucharistic theology, its do to a lack of proper catechesis, not the Novus Ordo.

54 posted on 01/20/2003 12:26:36 PM PST by ThomasMore (1 Peter 3:15-16)
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To: ultima ratio
The chapel you mention and other devotions such as a restoration of Benediction--are grassroots reactions by the faithful, sometimes with the help of pious priests.

And the problem with this is....?

I don't understand. Why MUST such initiatives come from the bishops? They may be sheperds, but the Faith is practiced by the Faithful. If it wasn't for the faithful, would the church have survived with just clergy? Thanks to the Faithful and their generosity in Christ's name, the church survives.

Aside from that, these are the people who will produce future generations of the church. Is it not good that they provide for the future by maintaining the Faith? Name one good reason why they should not take the initiative.
55 posted on 01/20/2003 12:29:00 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: NYer
Look, those who think the aim of the liturgists is a return to early Christianity are naive. The aim is to bring us into line with the Protestants. It is a surrender to Martin Luther--who turned the altars around, threw out the communion rails, eliminated the Offertory, began communion in the hands, etc., and made the same appeal to the primitive Church the modernists make now.

But there is a reason why our practices differ from the early Christians. The early Church still had vivid memories of Christ's having walked among them. They had little need for the external reminders we need--desperately. Our faith is much more weak. But as we draw further and further away from those early times, we are helped by genuflections, kneeling, communion on the tongue and other outward shows of reverence to remember what it is we are participating in.
56 posted on 01/20/2003 12:31:17 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
That is exactly my point, indirectly. If what you claim is true, it is up to US to stand up for what is beautiful and true and our Church, not merely denounce the misguided leaders of the Church on Earth and claim they're not Catholic. I went to daily Mass today, and the pastor of the church delivered a great homily today, reminding us that JESUS is the head of the Church, not imperfect humans. If what they are doing is merely to appease Protestants, they would have gotten rid of statues and icons of Jesus and saints LONG AGO. While I am clearly sympathetic to the current Pope, who I think is a great man and a hero of the Cold War, I am not going to be forced to take any side in this important manner. Some of my opinions belong to the "traditionalist" camp, and some belong to the "neo-conservative" camp. I have made up my own mind on this, through discernment, reflection, and reason, and I look for the day when Jesus will heal the wounds between ALL Christians.
57 posted on 01/20/2003 12:35:17 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Desdemona
Thanks for answering for me. I totally agree with you. It's up to ALL Catholic Christians to stand up for what is beautiful and true in our Church.
58 posted on 01/20/2003 12:36:52 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: tiki
The corruption is everywhere. Separation is the only way to preserve the Faith. SSPX is the living memory of the old Faith, pure and simple. It is exactly what the Church had always been, no more and no less. If it ever died, the old Church would have to be reconstructed out of books, rather than out of the living actions of living men. I believe its destiny is to preserve the Catholic Church for saner times when future generations will understand better what went wrong and how to get back on track.
59 posted on 01/20/2003 12:38:36 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Pyro7480
You're welcome. I didn't mean to answer _for_ you. There's no reason why the Faithful cannot take initiative in Christ's name and keep the Faith. None at all.

60 posted on 01/20/2003 12:39:58 PM PST by Desdemona
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