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Vatican says New Age no replacement for Christian faith
Modesto Bee ^ | 2/3/03 | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 02/03/2003 11:33:56 AM PST by hoosierskypilot

VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican weighed in Monday on the New Age movement, saying some aspects of the search for inner peace were positive but warning that they can't replace true Christian religion. In a 90-page booklet dotted with references to the "Magical Mystery Tour," "Feng Shui" and the dawning of the "Age of Aquarius," the Vatican addressed a topic usually reserved for the self-help sections of bookstores.

The Vatican said the book was the product of requests by bishops for guidance on determining whether practices embraced by New Agers, including yoga, channeling and healing by crystals, were compatible with Christianity.

The booklet doesn't give a definitive answer. Rather, in setting out a study of the movement - its terminology, history and cultural context - the book stresses that the question comes down to one of individually discerning compatibility.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; cfrlist; communistsubversion; heresy; nwo; unlist

1 posted on 02/03/2003 11:33:56 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
What is this guy, a politician? New Age is a perversion. C'mon, guy, just say it. It's a tutti frutti pie-in-the-sky farce for the likes of Shirley ("I am god") McLaine. It's the fusion of Hinduism and western philosophy which makes it perfect for baby boomers who are too lazy or too stupid to make a religious commitment.
2 posted on 02/03/2003 11:36:13 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
3 posted on 02/03/2003 11:57:57 AM PST by ricpic
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To: hoosierskypilot
You are right which is why it appeals to so many, especially in Hollywood. It's all about ME!
4 posted on 02/03/2003 12:16:42 PM PST by Gerish
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To: hoosierskypilot
Biting my tongue over extrabiblical religious practices.
5 posted on 02/03/2003 2:22:03 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: hoosierskypilot
"Spirituality" is faith minus any obligation to do anything you don't want to do.
6 posted on 02/04/2003 6:09:45 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: hoosierskypilot; sitetest; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; ...
What is happening to my Catholic Religion where they are now allowing New Ageism and Harry Potter, next they will be approving Horoscopes and the Crossing Over with John Edward TV show where he talks with the dead.

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-6/104434398947750.xml?starledger

Vatican bends a bit to yoga and some 'New Age' practices

But it warns that spiritual quest cannot replace Christian religion

Tuesday, February 04, 2003

BY NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press

VATICAN CITY -- The Vatican weighed in yesterday on feng shui, crystals and the dawning of the Age of Aquarius in a new document designed to address whether you can still be a good Christian while taking yoga class.

"A Christian Reflection on the 'New Age'" doesn't give many absolute answers. But while saying some positive things about the New Age movement, it warns that New Agers' quest for spirituality and inner peace can't take the place of true Christian religion.


And it highlights some core differences between New Age and Christian thought, particularly regarding the concepts of God, Jesus and sin.

While New Agers are waiting for an era when they are "totally in command of the cosmic laws of nature ... Christians are in a constant state of vigilance, ready for the last days when Christ will come again; their New Age began 2,000 years ago, with Christ," the document said.

The Vatican said the preliminary document was the result of requests by bishops for guidance on determining whether practices embraced by New Agers, including yoga, meditation and healing by crystals, were compatible with Christianity.

The 90-page booklet, which includes a glossary defining terms like "channeling," "karma," and "reincarnation," urges caution.

Monsignor Michael Fitzgerald, president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, told a news conference many aspects of the New Age movement were viewed positively by the Church, such as the importance it places on protecting the environment.

"But if one is brought to this by ascribing 'divineness' to the land, that's another thing," he said. "Music that relaxes you is good. But if this music empties prayer and prayer turns into just listening to music and falling asleep, it's no longer prayer."

The document, which was six years in the making, traces the history of the New Age phenomenon and notes the importance of the 1969 Woodstock festival and the musical "Hair."

It defines "Age of Aquarius" as the astrological age that New Agers believe will usher in an era of harmony, justice and peace, following the current "Age of Pisces," which has been marked by wars and conflicts. The Vatican document is silent on when the "Age of Aquarius" begins.

It lists feng shui, the ancient Chinese art of placing things to ensure a harmonious energy flow, as an "occult" New Age practice that emphasizes "being in tune with nature or the cosmos."

The document stresses that much of the New Age phenomenon is driven by marketing books, therapies and crystals, and it notes some consider New Age just a label "for a product created by the application of marketing principles to a religious phenomenon."

The Vatican didn't say why the book was coming out now -- more than 30 years after the New Age movement took hold in the United States and elsewhere -- although it is current enough to acknowledge that yoga and crystals are enormously popular these days.

The booklet attributes such popularity, particularly in the Western world, to a "spiritual hunger of contemporary men and women" unsatisfied with existing religion, political institutions or science.

It offers some practical steps for priests to follow, saying the best way to counter the search for New Age remedies was to highlight the "riches of the Christian spiritual heritage."

It encourages dialogue with New Agers but stresses that their credentials must be checked. And it urges caution with groups that host prayer meetings or initiation ceremonies, saying they may lure people into a form of false worship.

The booklet was prepared by Fitzgerald's council and the Pontifical Council for Culture, with help from the Vatican's orthodoxy watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

It is not considered to be the Vatican's final word on the matter. A definitive document will be published once the Vatican receives feedback from dioceses on the provisional one issued yesterday.

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-6/104434399547750.xml?starledger

Vatican finds Harry Potter fits fine in the order of good vs. evil

Tuesday, February 04, 2003

REUTERS

VATICAN CITY -- Harry Potter fans, relax. The Vatican says the kid is all right.

The question of whether J.K. Rowling's books and the films on the boy wizard have a positive influence came up at a news conference yesterday where the Vatican presented a document on "New Age" spirituality, which contain elements of the occult.

"I don't think that any of us grew up without the imaginary world of fairies, magicians, angels and witches," said Father Peter Fleetwood, a Vatican official who worked on the document.

"They are not bad or a banner for anti-Christian ideology. They help children understand the difference between good and evil," he said in response to a reporter's question.

The fifth book in the series, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," became an instant bestseller less than 24 hours after the June publication date was announced by the publishers.
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Read Deuteronomy Chapter 18: 9-14

9 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.

12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you.
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2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity

2138 Superstition is a departure from the worship that we give to the true God. It is manifested in idolatry, as well as in various forms of divination and magic.

2110 The first commandment forbids honoring gods other than the one Lord who has revealed himself to his people. It proscribes superstition and irreligion. Superstition in some sense represents a perverse excess of religion; irreligion is the vice contrary by defect to the virtue of religion.

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them." God, however, is the "living God" who gives life and intervenes in history.

http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.3/harrypotter.htm
7 posted on 02/04/2003 8:24:09 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
I think the Vatican realizes that most people do Yoga for the relaxation and exercise, NOT for any religious meaning. As for Harry Potter, they are adventure books, and Christian children everywhere (including mine) are reading them, and they're not getting into the occult by doing so.

Feng Shui is an interior design fad, and it will be replaced by another one along the line somewhere. The best Feng Shui design idea is to de-clutter, which I have yet to do. It does make for a more relaxed atmosphere when you're not having to move stacks of papers and magazines from one location to the other because you haven't sifted through them to decide what to toss! Can you tell I'm guilty of THAT one?

The Vatican is responding in exactly the way it should to fads; they are not serious competitors to the Faith, and should not be treated as such.

8 posted on 02/04/2003 10:01:03 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Coleus
Clemenza's pet peeve #27: "I'm not religious. I'm SPIRITIUAL!!!"

People who say that make me want find the nearest blunt object (until my Christian conscience gets the best of me).

9 posted on 02/04/2003 10:24:36 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: SuziQ
Can you tell I'm guilty of THAT one?>>>

Me too.

The problem with Yoga is that they encourage you to chant the name of a Hindu God, OM/AUM & shaktee and I've read that TM can be an invitation for evil.
10 posted on 02/04/2003 10:25:37 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Clemenza
What's #28?
11 posted on 02/04/2003 10:46:03 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
What's #28?

Also religious oriented: The Filoque question.

#26 is that stupid commercial with that girl and her dog "Toby."

12 posted on 02/04/2003 10:50:24 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: hoosierskypilot
I wish I still had the link to the picture of the Pope kissing the Koran. Kissing the Koran in a mosque that was built of the rubble of St. John the Baptist Church (300AD) atfer the Moslems razed it.
13 posted on 02/04/2003 10:54:37 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
Try here


14 posted on 02/04/2003 11:27:01 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: Coleus
B u m p
15 posted on 02/05/2003 6:25:41 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Coleus
What is happening to my Catholic Religion where they are now allowing New Ageism

And you saw this happen WHERE exactly?

16 posted on 02/05/2003 9:46:20 AM PST by Claud
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To: hoosierskypilot
Not political at all is this document: more like scholarly. Much of the document just explains where these ideas came from and why some of them are not compatible with Christianity. The Vatican is very careful not to condemn that which is true in any philosophy: only that which is in error: it did the same with Platonism, Stoicism, right on up to the present.

I know we all want to ram this New Age idiocy into the pit of hell where it belongs, but this is best accomplished by a level-headed scholarly analysis and refutation, not half-cocked firebrand polemics. Fulton Sheen once said that a Communist told him that the best explanation of Communism he had ever heard came from the Vatican--which was following the excellent rule that you should know what you are condemning before you condemn it.

17 posted on 02/05/2003 9:56:12 AM PST by Claud
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To: hoosierskypilot
Some New Age notions are incompatible with Catholicism, or pretty much any established monotheistic religion. Others (a majority, from what I gather) of them are feel-good pabulum, free of semantic content and therefore compatible with just about anything.
18 posted on 02/05/2003 10:07:28 AM PST by steve-b
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To: hoosierskypilot
Vatican says New Age no replacement for Christian faith

Wow. Cutting-edge declaration! Who knew?

Oh, starting about 25-30 years ago, Walter Martin, Christian Research Institute, me, any Biblically-educated Christian who keeps an eye on religious trends. For starters.

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

19 posted on 02/05/2003 10:12:54 AM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: Coleus
It offers some practical steps for priests to follow, saying the best way to counter the search for New Age remedies was to highlight the "riches of the Christian spiritual heritage."

This is the kernel of truth in the piece. Most American Christians receive vanishingly little religious instruction, and what they do receive typically ends at confirmation. Just at the age that they're beginning to formulate serious questions, they're left on their own with, at most, a child's storybook version of Christianity. They are easy marks for the cynics and cultists.

Different people respond to different approaches. When I was young I would have been turned off by my pastor attempting to force feed meditative or spiritual readings. However, I was very interested in church history and enjoyed, in an age appropriate way, the intellectual jousting of the great theological battles. I thought it was neat to know that stuff.

The residual effect was to build an understanding early on that the Christian tradition has dealt with the difficult questions in serious ways. I still don't consider myself theologically well-educated, but I do know the real stuff is out there for the asking. Barefoot swamis and New Age hucksters lose their appeal if they're subjected to a serious comparison.

20 posted on 02/05/2003 10:42:04 AM PST by sphinx
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To: sphinx
Just at the age that they're beginning to formulate serious questions, they're left on their own with, at most, a child's storybook version of Christianity. They are easy marks for the cynics and cultists.>>>>>

I remember about 20 yrs. ago there was a very big problem in our diocese with kids in that age group dabbling in Satanism, the bishop had to convene a special panel to address the situation, in addition, I had 2 friends, Catholics, in HS who joined one of those crazy cults, it took over 10 yrs. to get them back home.
21 posted on 02/05/2003 10:52:26 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Claud
I saw it in writing on post #7.

I see many Christians believing in horoscopes, talking to the dead, using Ouija boards, conducting séances, practicing in Transcendental Meditation, etc.
22 posted on 02/05/2003 10:57:33 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: SuziQ
Feng Shui is an interior design fad, and it will be replaced by another one along the line somewhere. The best Feng Shui design idea is to de-clutter, which I have yet to do. It does make for a more relaxed atmosphere when you're not having to move stacks of papers and magazines from one location to the other because you haven't sifted through them to decide what to toss! Can you tell I'm guilty of THAT one?

SuziQ, Check out www.flylady.net. She's tops for helping to declutter a home. Flylady totally changed the way I keep house. Feng Shui is for sissies. >:-)

23 posted on 02/05/2003 11:07:53 AM PST by meowmeow (I'm Flyin')
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To: Coleus
I hear you. As I noted above, different people respond to different approaches. I have always found an historical perspective to be a good anchor. I also think, especially with regard to the cults, eastern religions, and the New Age stuff, that Christian education should take a more robust (ok, argumentative) approach to comparative religion. It's one thing to be respectful of other people's beliefs. It's quite another to fail to give our own young people a critical understanding of the spiritual nostrums being pitched at them.

In the last couple of generations, many Christian denominations seem to have leaned so far in the direction of being respectful that they've given their young people precious little reason to prefer Christianity except as an arbitrary cultural artifact. Not coincidentally, this also seems to be how so much of the apostate clergy views it.

24 posted on 02/05/2003 11:24:38 AM PST by sphinx
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To: hoosierskypilot
Only problem is "New Age" gets applied to all sorts of stuff from the innocuous-but-not-Western to pagan and heretical crud.

Some people worry about whether Karate might be incompatible with Christianity (I guess if the leader has a shrine or something in the dojo? but who does that). Or let's take something a bit more esoteric, Tai Chi. As an exercise? No biggie. Maybe mention "chi" or bioelectricity? No more spiritual than a proper diet. If the instructor teaches that 'chi' is so that your soul can survive death, nope, sorry, there's only one way to beat death, and that's Christ.

Or, take meditation. Meditation on Christ was common in the Middle Ages (I'd have to find old photocopies in boxes in the attic). Or, some modern meditation where no particular belief is used, just breathing; jumping on that seems akin to yelling at people who exercise for being worldly. Then you have OMers (including the TM guys) and foofy spiritualist meditations, and that stuff is wrong.

Yea, I think there is subversion potential, teachers who get people into the innocuous and then lead people into the bogus stuff, and that's not to be discounted.

So, take the things that are good, and use them to lead people to Christ. That works fine unless you are upset still about things like trees for Christmas or eggs for Easter.

25 posted on 02/05/2003 11:31:20 AM PST by No.6
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To: sphinx; 2sheep; Antoninus; Scholastic; Free the USA; seamole; Behind Liberal Lines; ...
Subject: The Lucis Trust, One world religion under Lucifer.

If you listen you will hear how the "New Age" Religion is out there and are actively recruiting and is very EVIL.

Perhaps you may want to look at the United Nations and it's pagan, secular humanist, one-world religion named after Lucifer.

They seem innocuous on the front but their agenda is the ruination of souls and the conversion of the world.

They are on WOR radio, New York,http://www.wor710.com/listen.shtml every Sunday from 7 am - 8 am. I happened to stumble on it one morning and have been researching it for a few weeks now.

Here are some links

http://www.lucistrust.org/arcane/nasymb.shtml

http://www.oneworld.ru/lucis-rus/lucispub/

http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/lucistrust.html

http://getusout.org/un/articles/essay.htm

http://getusout.org/earthcharter/


http://getusout.org/earthcharter/index.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/unesco.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/newworldreligion.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/earth_charter/index.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/11-04-2002/vo18no22_rockefeller.htm

http://getusout.org/earthworship/index.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/rockford_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-31-2000/insider/vo16no16_eu.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/religion/index.htm
26 posted on 02/05/2003 4:03:34 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Mea culpa, Coleus, I thought you were saying the *official church* was allowing New Age religion.

I've had enough experience with the laity getting into this mess (not as much as you probably).....
27 posted on 02/06/2003 10:56:17 AM PST by Claud
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To: hoosierskypilot; *UN_List; *Heresy; *"NWO"; Claud
The Church is against Communism and Socialism, Make sure the socialists do not take over; they are working from within the church and are part of the media and will stop at nothing from destroying the Church.
 
QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO Xlll ON SOCIALISM
DECEMBER 28, 1878
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13apost.htm
 
NOSTIS ET NOBISCUM
ON THE CHURCH IN THE PONTIFICAL STATES
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS IX
DECEMBER 8, 1849
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9nostis.htm
 
QUADRAGESIMO ANNO
ON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS Xl MAY 15, 1931
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM
 
GRAVES DE COMMUNI RE
Encyclical of Pope leo XIII on Christian Democracy
January 18, 1901
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13grcom.htm
 
MATER ET MAGISTRA
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE JOHN XXIII ON MAY 15, 1961
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/John23/j23mater.htm
 
Part of the 45 Goals of Communism
 
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
 
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
 
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
 
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
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Lucis Trust - The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations
UN Logo

33 Segments surrounded by sprigs of acacia
'Welcome to the United Nations. It's your World'...

By, Atrayu

The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations

The Lucis Trust

UN Meditation Room The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN. Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey's book, 'Initiation, Human and Solar' was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as 'Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923. Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 866 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called "World Goodwill". In an Alice Bailey book called "Education for a New Age"; she suggests that in the new age "World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain." In other words - a One World Government New World Order.

Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defence in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among others the following organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF.

The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on ancient occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the UN, a book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, claiming that "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this unfoldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans". [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol. II, p.35.]

Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 'three occult factors', she did reveal to her students that "Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great international and meditating, reflective group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray disciples, if you could but realise it, and their point of meditative focus is the intuitional or Buddhic plane - the plane upon which all hierarchical activity is today to be found'. [Ibid. p.220.]

To this end, the Lucis Trust, under the leadership of Foster and Alice Bailey, started a group called 'World Goodwill' - an official non-governmental organization within the United Nations. The stated aim of this group is "to cooperate in the world of preparation for the reappearance of the Christ" [One Earth, the magazine of the Findhorn Foundation, October/November 1986, Vol. 6, Issue 6, p.24.]

But the esoteric work inside the UN does not stop with such recognized occult groupings. Much of the impetus for this process was initiated through the officership of two Secretary-Generals of the UN, Dag Hammarskjöld (held office: 1953-1961) and U Thant (held office: 1961-1971) who succeeded him, and one Assistant Secretary-general, Dr. Robert Muller. In a book written to celebrate the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin (and edited by Robert Muller), it is revealed "Dag Hammarskjöld, the rational Nordic economist, had ended up as a mystic. He too held at the end of his life that spirituality was the ultimate key to our earthly fate in time and space". [Robert Muller (ed.), The Desire to be Human: A Global Reconnaissance of Human Perspectives in an Age of Transformation (Miranana, 1983), p.304.]

Sri Chinmoy, the New Age guru, meditation leader at the UN, wrote: "the United Nations is the chosen instrument of God; to be a chosen instrument means to be a divine messenger carrying the banner of God's inner vision and outer manifestation."

William Jasper, author of "A New World Religion" describes the religion of the UN: "...a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism".

http://www.lucistrust.org

You can find out much more about them and how they're involved with the work of the United Nations by following their link "World Goodwill" at the top of their home page.


The Aquarian Age Community

http://www.aquaac.org/

This Website is sponsored by the United Nations and the whole NWO philosophy is there. The page which explains the work of the Aquarian Age Community, as they call themselves, has this proud quote at the header of their page at http://www.aquaac.org/about/about.html

Such a grandeur is ahead!
Such a great step awaits a fiery affirmation.
Our teaching and the affirmation of the Higher
Principles will reveal so much that is great to humanity!
A great period is drawing near: Thus we do create together.

Fiery World
Vol. III, par. 149

Amongst the many 'enlightening' pages in this website, you can easily find 'fascinating' articles entitled:

"The New World Order and the Work of the UN" http://www.aquaac.org/un/nwo.html

"The World Spiritual Teacher, the Esoteric Community and the United Nations" http://www.aquaac.org/meetings/rttop.html

Preparing the Way for the Reappearance of the World Spiritual Teacher, the Work of the United Nations and the World-Wide Esoteric Community

http://www.aquaac.org/meetings/RT2001.html and many more articles.

This is not Christian theology but New Age paganism. You can also read the NWO quotes I posted, further down this page. Here's another by Curtis Dall, FD Roosevelt's son in law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father in Law:

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money group... Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

The UN is but a long range, international banking apparatus nearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One World Revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market... The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

 

Under the U.N. Gavel
By Sen. Larry E. Craig, R-ID 

At its founding, the mission of the United Nations, as stated in its charter, was "to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war." It made no claim to supersede the sovereignty of its member states. Article 2 says that the United Nations "is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members," and it may not "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state."

Since then, the United Nations has turned the principle of national sovereignty on its head. Through a host of conventions, treaties and conferences, it has intruded into regulation of resources and the economy (for example, treaties on "biological diversity," marine resources and climate change) and family life (hyping phoney liberalism while masculinity is scorned and western manhood is amputated - causing untold grief to the family unit) (conventions on parent-child relations and women in society). It has demanded that countries institute racial quotas and laws against hate crimes and speech (while the U.N. itself can jail someone for 30 years without trial). Recently the United Nations tried to undermine Americans' constitutional right to keep and bear arms (with proposed restrictions on the international sale of small arms).

Fortunately, many of these have been dead on arrival in the U.S. Senate, successive presidents have refused to endorse others, and in any case the United Nations had little power of enforcement. But in 1998, one mechanism of global government (there it is in the Washington Post folks) came to life with the so-called "Rome Statute" establishing a permanent International Criminal Court (and abolishing the Magna Carta in Britain). Once this treaty is ratified by 60 countries, the United Nations will wield judicial power over every individual human being -- even over citizens of countries that haven't joined the court.

While the court's stated mission is dealing with war crimes and crimes against humanity (what about their own crimes against humanity when they committed widespread genocide in the Balkans and East Timor? Dare I say they are hypocrites?) -- which, because there is no appeal from its decisions, only the court will have the right to define -- its mandate could be broadened later. Based on existing U.N. tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, which are models for the International Criminal Court, defendants will have none of the due process rights afforded by the U.S. Constitution, such as trial by jury, confrontation of witnesses or a speedy and public trial (that's a communist court system!).

President Clinton signed the Rome treaty last year, citing U.S. support for existing U.N. war crimes tribunals. Many suppose the court will target only a Slobodan Milosevic or the perpetrators of massacres in Rwanda, or dictators like Iraq's Saddam Hussein. But who knows? To some people, Augusto Pinochet is the man who saved Chile from communism; to others he is a murderer. Who should judge him -- the United Nations or the Chilean people?

In dozens of countries, governments use brutal force against insurgents. Should the United Nations decide whether leaders in Turkey or India should be put in the defendants' dock, and then commit the United States to bring them there? How about Russia's Vladimir Putin, for Chechnya? Or Israel's Ariel Sharon? Can we trust the United Nations with that decision (the more evil these premieres are - the more the U.N. loves them)?

The court's critics rightly cite the danger to U.S. military personnel deployed abroad. Since even one death can be a war crime, a U.S. soldier could be indicted just for doing his duty. But the International Criminal Court also would apply to acts "committed" by any American here at home. The European Union and U.S. domestic opponents consider the death penalty "discriminatory" and "inhumane." Could an American governor face indictment by the court for "crimes against humanity" for signing a death warrant?

Milosevic was delivered to a U.N. court (largely at U.S. insistence) for offences occurring entirely within his own country. Some say the Milosevic precedent doesn't threaten Americans, because the U.S. Constitution protects them. But for Milosevic, we demanded that the Yugoslav Constitution be trashed and the United Nations' authority prevail. Why should the International Criminal Court treat our Constitution any better (they're already destroying the 2nd amendment with their gun grab and the 1st with their phoney 'hate crime' nonsense)?

Instead of trying to "fix" the Rome treaty, the United States must recognize that it is a fundamental threat to American sovereignty. The State Department's participation in the court's preparatory commission is counterproductive. We need to make it clear that we consider the court an illegitimate body, that the United States will never join it and that we will never accept its "jurisdiction" over any U.S. citizen or help to impose it on other countries.
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The Lucis Trust and the United Nations seem very innocuous on the front but their agenda is the ruination of souls and the conversion of the world.

The Lucis Trust is on WOR radio, New York, New York City's 2nd-Largest AM Radio Station WOR Radio 710 AM on your dial every Sunday from 7 am - 8 am. I happened to stumble on it one morning and have been researching it for a few weeks now. New Age and Satan Worship.

Here are some links

http://www.lucistrust.org/arcane/nasymb.shtml

http://www.oneworld.ru/lucis-rus/lucispub/

Teaching God's children to worship "Divine Nature"
http://getusout.org/un/articles/essay.htm

The Earth Charter
http://getusout.org/earthcharter/

http://getusout.org/earthcharter/index.htm

UNESCO: A Budding Global School Board
http://getusout.org/un/articles/unesco.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/newworldreligion.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/earth_charter/index.htm


Rebutting Rockefeller
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/11-04-2002/vo18no22_rockefeller.htm

http://getusout.org/earthworship/index.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/rockford_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

The European Union's Stealth Attack on Religion
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-31-2000/insider/vo16no16_eu.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/religion/index.htm

28 posted on 02/08/2003 9:39:30 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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