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Failed Prophecies of Joseph Smith
Institute for Religious Studies ^

Posted on 02/03/2003 6:49:48 PM PST by A.J.Armitage

Joseph Smith bore many titles in his lifetime, Elder, Seer, President, Mayor, even Lieutenant General, but he is probably best known as the Prophet. And prophesy he did, often with great passion, invoking the powers of heaven and the name of God. What follows are seven prophecies of Joseph Smith, notable for their specificity and appeal to divine authority. These are taken from official Mormon sources — either the Latter-day Saint scriptures or the History of the Church (HC), a seven volume history published under the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon). Each are given in context and cited directly from the original source. Where they are known, subsequent historical events relevant to the prophecy are noted.

Prophecy # 1 — The Coming of the Lord

President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).

This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.

Prophecy # 2 — David W. Patten to go on a mission

Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)

This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David W. Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never went on a mission the following spring.

Prophecy # 3 — The United States Government
to be overthrown in a few years

I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished (History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).

Joseph Smith made this prophecy in May 6, 1843. However, the United States Government did not redress any of the wrongs committed against the Mormons in Missouri, and now over 150 years later, the U.S. Government still stands.

Prophecy # 4 — Congress to be broken up as a government

While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy Priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if Congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government, and God shall damn them, and there shall be nothing left of them — not even a grease spot. (Millennial Star, Vol. 22, p. 455. See also History of the Church (HC), vol. 6, p. 116, though when this prediction was incorporated into the official history, Mormon Church leaders decided to leave out the "grease spot" part.)

The petition was not heard nor was protection granted (Deseret News, Vol. 1, p. 59). Yet, Congress was never broken up and continues to function to this day. It is interesting that the compilers of History of the Church, added an editorial note in an attempt to soften or explain this prophecy. They state that: "This prediction doubtless has reference to the party in power; to the ‘government’ considered as the administration;" (note, p. 116). According to the note in HC, this means the Democratic Party, which was in control at the time. However, the prediction is that "Congress shall be broken up as a government" and Congress is made up of representatives from both parties. The Saints were making an appeal to the General Government, not to the Democratic Party, a point made by a summary statement in the left margin beside this prophecy as it is recorded in HC.

Prophecy #5 —Finding Treasure in Salem, Massachusetts

This prophecy is recorded in Doctrine & Covenants Section 111. The introduction to this prophecy, found at the beginning of Section 111 states:

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem, Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. HC 2:465-466. At this time the leaders of the [LDS] Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry.

1. I, the Lord your God, am not displeased with your coming this journey, notwithstanding your follies.

2. I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city, whom I will gather out in due time for the benefit of Zion, through your instrumentality.

3. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form acquaintance with men in this city, as you shall be led, and as it shall be given you.

4. And it shall come to pass in due time that I will give this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, insomuch that they shall not discover your secret parts; and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours.

5. Concern not yourselves about your debts, for I will give you power to pay them.

No treasure was ever discovered, nor did Salem ever fell into the hands of the Mormons.

Prophecy #6 — Pestilence, Hail, Famine & Earthquake
to Destroy the Wicked

And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country. The people of the Lord, those who have complied with the requirements of the new covenant, have already commenced gathering together to Zion, which is in the state of Missouri; therefore I declare unto you the warning which the Lord has commanded to declare unto this generation, remembering that the eyes of my Maker are upon me, and that to him I am accountable for every word I say, wishing nothing worse to my fellow-men than their eternal salvation; therefore, "Fear God, and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come." Repent ye, repent ye, and embrace the everlasting covenant and flee to Zion, before the overflowing scourge overtake you, for there are those now living upon the earth whose eyes shall not be closed in death until they see all these things, which I have spoken, fulfilled (History of the Church, Vol. 1, pp. 315-316).

Such a widespread destruction of the wicked of that generation never occurred.

Prophecy # 7 — Temple to be Built in Zion, Missouri

This prophecy comes directly from Doctrine & Covenants Section 84, the introduction of which states:

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, September 22 and 23, 1832. HC 1:286-295.

1. A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high.

2. Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem.

3. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.

4. Verily, this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.

5. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.

The Mormons were forced to flee Missouri due to persecution and a temple was never built on the "temple lot" in the lifetime of Joseph Smith or within the generation of his contemporaries.

Testing Prophetic Claims

Over the last 200 years a number of people have claimed to be religious prophets with special spiritual authority from God. These include Charles Taze Russell (Jehovah’s Witnesses), Ellen G. White (Seventh-day Adventists), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), and Joseph Smith (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Each started an organization which claimed to be the one true Christian Church, each had unique teachings, and each appealed to the Bible to some degree as their basis for spiritual authority. Yet, each "prophet’s" teachings contradict those of the others.

How can we test a person like Joseph Smith who claims to be a prophet?

Jesus warned in Matthew 7:15 that many false prophets would come, and several other places warn us about false prophets and spiritual deception (2 Corinthians 11:4-15; Galatians 1:6-9; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 1 John 4:1 and Jude 3-16). We should not be surprised, therefore, to discover that there are false prophets in the world today.

A specific biblical test. The Bible, in Deuteronomy chapters 13 and 18, provides 2 tests for anyone claiming to be a prophet and speak for God. If the person fails either test given by God, then we can know for sure they are a false prophet and we are to reject their teaching. Here we will focus on the test found in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 which reads as follows:

And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Here the God of Israel tells his people how they can keep from being deceived by someone claiming to be a prophet — if even one of the prophet’s prophecies do not come true he is a false prophet. What was the punishment if a prophet did speak a false prophecy? According to verse 20 the prophet was to die. So God takes the area of false prophecy very seriously.

Joseph Smith's false prophecies in the name of the Lord constitute one of the single greatest objections to his claim to be a latter-day prophet of God.


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Do you fear Joseph Smith, or do you obey God? You can't do both.
1 posted on 02/03/2003 6:49:48 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
An interesting thing happened because of prophesy #1. A young indian boy named Wavoka was raised by mormons and was filled with a perverted form of this prophesy. He began to preach the Ghost Dance which eventually led to the Battle of Wounded Knee.
Do you have anything on the prophesy of men on the moon looking like Quakers?
2 posted on 02/03/2003 7:59:38 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Sure.

Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, And Extraterrestrial Quakers!

Will Schmidt

On July 20, 1969 Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren landed on the moon. What did they find? Was there life on the moon? Had anyone been on the moon before them? We all know that as they stepped out of their lunar module on that day, they stepped out on a barren, airless, uninhabitable wasteland; a place upon which it is impossible for man to live without special equipment.

Most Mormons living today would agree with that assessment of the moon. What about Mormons living during the time of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young? What did they believe about life on the moon?

According to Oliver B. Huntington, Joseph Smith taught that "The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being about 6 feet in height.

"They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style, or fashion of dress.

"They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years.

"This is the description of them as given by Joseph the seer, and he could `See' whatever he asked the father in the name of Jesus to see," (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. 3, p. 166; as recorded at the Utah State Historical Society).

Oliver B. Huntington wrote the proceeding statement in 1881. In 1892 he made a similar statement in the Young Woman's Journal, a church publication:

"Astronomers and philosophers have, from time almost immemorial until very recently, asserted that the moon was uninhabited, that it had no atmosphere, etc. But recent discoveries, through the means of powerful telescopes, have given scientists a doubt or two upon the old theory.

"Nearly all the great discoveries of man in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.

"As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to be a greater age than we do, that they lived generally to near the age of 1000 years.

"He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.

"In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1937, I was told that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants of the sea -- to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes," (Vol. 3, pp. 263-264).

Mormon author Van Hale, in an effort to defend Joseph Smith's strange teaching says:

"Did Joseph Smith believe in an inhabited moon? From the historical evidence no available the answer must be: Not proven," (How Could a Prophet Believe in Moonmen?; as quoted in Gilbert Scharffs' The Truth About the Godmakers, p. 119).

Despite the previous statement, Van Hale is forced to admit that Joseph Smith believed in moonmen:

"But all things considered, the possibility, or probability, that he did cannot be reasonably denied," (Ibid).

Both Scharffs and Van Hale contend that Joseph Smith should not be held accountable for this particular belief because his contemporaries believed that there was life on the moon, too. Despite these vain attempts to show otherwise, the evidence clearly shows that Joseph Smith believed and taught that there was life on the moon.

What about Smith's successor Brigham Young? Did he have anything to say about this matter? Indeed he did! On July 24, 1870, he made the following statement in a sermon:

"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain," (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 217).

Gilbert Scharffs, in an effort to defend Brigham Young's statement regarding life on the sun points out that Brigham Young said, "Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is," (The Truth About the Godmakers, p. 121; emphasis added). Scharffs conveniently neglects to mention the statements which immediately follow: "Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271; emphasis added).

It should be pointed out that the preceding statement was in the context of a sermon and that Brigham Young considered his sermons to be scripture:

"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon and it is as good Scripture as they deserve" (Ibid, p. 95).

The evidence is clear. Joseph Smith was not correct in teaching that there was life on the moon, Oliver Huntington never preached to the inhabitants of the moon, and all scientific evidence points to the fact that there is no life on the sun as Brigham Young claimed.

Since Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were wrong about life on the moon and the sun, does it make sense that we should trust their teachings about eternal life?

That's right, the "restored true church" taught there were Quakers on the moon and inhabitants on the Sun.

It takes the word sucker to a new level.

3 posted on 02/03/2003 8:38:12 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage; drstevej
Anything on Cureloms? :-)
4 posted on 02/03/2003 8:43:23 PM PST by CARepubGal (Deus Vult from a proud VWRC member!)
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To: CARepubGal
I never heard of them. I had to do a Google search.

It makes sense. If you'll include animals that weren't in North America, why not animals that weren't anywhere?
5 posted on 02/03/2003 9:51:26 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage; Illbay; White Mountain; CubicleGuy; Utah Girl; rising tide; Grig; Rad_J
Prophecy # 1 — The Coming of the Lord

President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).

This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.

President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision fn and by the Holy Spirit. He then gave a relation of some of the circumstances attending while journeying to Zion—our trials, sufferings; and said God had not designed all this for nothing, but He had it in remembrance yet; and it was the will of God that those who went Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, [or]*for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene.

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President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit... He then gave a relation of some of the circumstances attending while journeying to Zion—our trials, sufferings; and said God had not designed all this for nothing, but He had it in remembrance yet; and it was the will of God that those who went Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, [they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time,[or the] for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene.] (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).

Bold is the part deleted from the statement.

[or]was changed to *for

Underline is your post! and the BOLD is what was missing What a little deletions and changing words among Conrads for "THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS!"

Very slick A.J.Armitage!

6 posted on 02/03/2003 9:58:08 PM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: A.J.Armitage
read later
7 posted on 02/03/2003 10:05:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: restornu
1) I didn't write it.

2) He still predicted the end of the world in 1891.

Joe Smith was a false prophet. That's an absolute, Biblical fact.
8 posted on 02/03/2003 10:29:42 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage; restornu
Joe Smith was a false prophet. That's an absolute, Biblical fact.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Jesus say
there were those around him who would not taste death
before the Kingdom came?  If that is true, why was he
not also a false prophet?
9 posted on 02/03/2003 11:00:23 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: gcruse
If that is true, why was he not also a false prophet?

Because His kingdom is not of this world.

10 posted on 02/04/2003 12:26:19 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
Prophecy # 2 — David W. Patten to go on a mission

Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)

This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David W. Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never went on a mission the following spring.

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Revelation through Joseph Smith, Far West, Missouri, April 17, 1838. History of the Church 3:23.

1 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he MAY perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.

(BTW the rest of the Prophecie was omitted)

2 For verily thus saith the Lord, that inasmuch as there are those among you who DENY my name, others shall be PLANTED in their stead and receive their bishopric. Amen. Next 4

The Opertive WORD here is;-

that he MAYperform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.

For verily thus saith the Lord, that inasmuch as there are those among you who DENY my name, others shall be PLANTED in their stead and receive their bishopric. Amen.

Pardon the pun A.J.Armitage but I see a Pattern here:) Oh well to omit and delete for the cause to support follow Conrads-

"FOR THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS!"

11 posted on 02/04/2003 5:54:21 AM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: A.J.Armitage
Prophecy # 3 — The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years

I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished (History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).

Joseph Smith made this prophecy in May 6, 1843. However, the United States Government did not redress any of the wrongs committed against the Mormons in Missouri, and now over 150 years later, the U.S. Government still stands.

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President Smith, in concluding his remarks, said that if the government, which received into its coffers the money of citizens for its public lands, while its officials are rolling in luxury at the expense of its public treasury, cannot protect such citizens in their lives and property, it is an old granny anyhow; and I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left, for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished, thereby perpetrating a foul and corroding blot upon the fair fame of this great republic, the very thought of which would have caused the high-minded and patriotic framers of the Constitution of the United States to hide their faces with shame. Judge, you will aspire to the presidency of the United States; and if ever you turn your hand against me or the Latter-day Saints, you will feel the weight of the hand of Almighty upon you; and you will live to see and know that I have testified the truth to you; for the conversation of this day will stick to you through life.

BTW agains so much to this prophecy is omitted will it’s the party LINE Conrad A.J.Armitage

”THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS!”

12 posted on 02/04/2003 6:10:11 AM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: gcruse; A.J.Armitage
Peter, James and John on the Mount of Transfiguration get a preview of the kingdom in fulfillment of the prophecy.

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MT. 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

MT. 17:1 [NEXT VERSE] After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus...
9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”

13 posted on 02/04/2003 6:49:28 AM PST by drstevej
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You beat me to it, Steve. You are the fastest scripture draw east of the Mississippi. Nice shot, too.
14 posted on 02/04/2003 7:01:20 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Just barely east of the Mississippi!
15 posted on 02/04/2003 7:12:02 AM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Just barely east of the Mississippi!

Before all the dikes were built up along the Mississippi, it was not unusual for those living near the banks of the Old Miss to go to bed at night in Lousiana and wake up the next morning in Texas. And vice versa.

16 posted on 02/04/2003 8:44:11 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
That's interesting. Especially since the Mississippi River doesn't sit between Texas and Louisiana, but is between Louisiana and Mississippi.
17 posted on 02/04/2003 9:56:52 AM PST by sharktrager
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To: sharktrager; drstevej
Yes you are right, that would be a long way for the river to shift course. :-) Geography was not my best course in Law School. From what I've read thoough this was a common occurance at one time between Missouri and Kansas. Apparently when Mark Twain was a riverboat captain the river changed course frequently and he discussed this problem in his book Life on the Mississippi. I don't think it is as much of a problem anymore.
18 posted on 02/04/2003 10:56:29 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: restornu
Yes, there is a pattern.

You keep adding "context" that doesn't alter or mitigate Joe's prophesies.

"Oh, he said other stuff too, so the fact that he said a false prophesy doesn't count!"

Yes, it does count. Joe Smith still said the U.S. government would fall unless they redressed his perceived grievences, they didn't, and the U.S. Government is still around. You can't get around that fact. Joe messed up and exposed himself as a liar.

BTW, is God so hard up for prophets he couldn't even find someone who didn't believe in moonmen?

19 posted on 02/04/2003 1:04:40 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: drstevej
Dang... I didn't notice that, and it's obvious.

Do I get half a point for at least saying it wasn't eschatological? :-)
20 posted on 02/04/2003 1:10:21 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
If you don't heed the prophet's words, you will not obey God, my friend. And you will suffer for it if it is willful.

Funny. I have been a member of the Lord's True Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, for forty years. I have studied the works you mention in your silly, lying sack-of-**** diatribe, and NOTHING there rings a bell.

Some of them like the building of the temple in Missouri, blatantly ignore history, and other latter-day scriptures, or even that some of these prophecies have not yet come to pass.

Also, you ignore the fact that, despite all the hellish efforts of god-forsaken, Satan-spawned heathens like yourself, murdering, raping and trying your best to destroy it, the latter-day work of TRUTH has only gotten stronger, and that the ultimate prophecy of Joseph Smith--that the Lord is God, that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is true, and that the Church will never be destroyed from off the face of the earth despite the worst efforts of the hell-spawn such as continue to infest these threads--is coming to pass every single day.

Tremble, ye demons of the infernal pit. Rant, rail and spew your lying filth all your can, while you can. Soon you'll be locked away in the infernal pit, and the godly will be rid of you and your devilish deeds forever.

"Persecution has not stopped the progress of truth, but has only added fuel to the flame, it has spread with increasing rapidity. Our missionaries are going forth to different nations...The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done."

The Prophet Joseph Smith


21 posted on 02/05/2003 1:46:20 PM PST by Illbay
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Tremble, ye demons of the infernal pit. Rant, rail and spew your lying filth all your can, while you can. Soon you'll be locked away in the infernal pit, and the godly will be rid of you and your devilish deeds forever.

No terestial heaven you. Off to the outer darkness.

22 posted on 02/05/2003 3:08:28 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Illbay; Wrigley
lying sack-of-****

This is the second time you have used this phrase.

You never did define what was in the sack? What does **** mean? Is **** another one of the Temple secrets?

23 posted on 02/05/2003 3:28:01 PM PST by drstevej
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To: restornu
Did the Holy Spirit lead you to post that gif?
25 posted on 02/05/2003 4:23:29 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej

26 posted on 02/05/2003 4:35:02 PM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: restornu
***Did the Holy Spirit lead you to post that gif? ***

Embarrassed to answer?
27 posted on 02/05/2003 4:36:12 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej

drstevej you have a drinking problem:)
28 posted on 02/05/2003 4:44:19 PM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: restornu
You are a hypocrite.
29 posted on 02/05/2003 4:51:06 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Illbay; restornu
If you don't heed the prophet's words, you will not obey God, my friend.

So should I "obey God" by believing Christ will return in 1891? Should I "obey God" by believing the U.S. government will be destroyed unless it protects Joe Smith? I guess calenders are now considered wicked and of Satan, just like vodka Red Bulls.

Should I, furthermore, "obey God" by believing John 10:26-29, Romans 9, and Ephesians 1:4-5 & 1:11 are not only wrong but Luciferian?

Funny. I have been a member of the Lord's True Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, for forty years. I have studied the works you mention in your silly, lying sack-of-**** diatribe, and NOTHING there rings a bell.

Funny. Restornu didn't seem to have any difficulty finding it.

the hellish efforts of god-forsaken, Satan-spawned heathens like yourself

Unlike most Mormons with their hypocritical front of niceness, you just let it all out. You'd be more than willing to order "blood atonement", but in these decadent days such things are frowned upon. So let me propose a different way of getting me. Since JS and BY considered dark skin a curse for wickedness, and since I don't have it, but am white, and since I'm wicked (or so you say), why don't you fix the situation? Why don't you do a reverse Micheal Jackson on me?

the latter-day work of TRUTH has only gotten stronger

Which really means many have found the broad path. Your real master, Satan, is well pleased. But even here, everything is according to God's plan.

30 posted on 02/05/2003 5:04:42 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: drstevej

CRYBABY STEVY!
31 posted on 02/05/2003 5:06:17 PM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: restornu
Next time you give me your sanctimonious notion that you follow the Holy Spirit and we don't, expect to see this link...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/835357/posts?page=24#24
32 posted on 02/05/2003 5:11:12 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Get over yourself steve!

You take yourself too serious!
33 posted on 02/05/2003 5:25:24 PM PST by restornu (Saul let Paul!)
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To: restornu; computerjunkie
Innane remarks and a plethora of animated gifs are not a adequate vail for your phoney piety.

You need Jesus (minus Joseph).
34 posted on 02/05/2003 5:49:37 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
She makes it so obvious.

She is completely out of answers.
35 posted on 02/05/2003 6:03:32 PM PST by Wrigley
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But those are sooooo cute Steve. It would be nice every once in a while to get a honest answer from rest.

36 posted on 02/05/2003 6:05:42 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: drstevej
I remember back in high school we thought it was cool to make up different words for curse words. That way we could say we weren't swearing.

The Bible teacher made a comment that really made most us think. He told us we were cowards for not saying what we meant, and also liars that we were saying we were't actually swearing. So not only we were taking the Lord's name in vain, we were lying.

Most of us understood pretty quickly the point he was making and stopped.

Looking at Illbay's use of **** in place of profanity made me think of that.
37 posted on 02/05/2003 6:11:37 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Illbay; Wrigley
A courtesy flag to Illbay re your post #37.

I'm sure the **** stands for something like "hugs."
Crypto-profanity is so out of character for him. :-)
38 posted on 02/05/2003 6:27:14 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej; Illbay
Thanks for the courtesy ping to Illbay.
39 posted on 02/05/2003 6:33:29 PM PST by Wrigley
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I was waiting for you to show up!


Steve & Wrig from the
house of Zeezrom!

40 posted on 02/05/2003 6:48:40 PM PST by restornu
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To: drstevej
Stevy in a Puffy self-righteous judgemental highfalutin tootin!

I is goin to get you! Rest you hypocrite how dare you make fun of me as a windbreaker!


41 posted on 02/05/2003 7:03:31 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

42 posted on 02/05/2003 7:24:22 PM PST by drstevej
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To: restornu

43 posted on 02/05/2003 7:24:26 PM PST by drstevej
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Gee Steve your humor is so boring!


Steve & Wrig dancing:)

44 posted on 02/05/2003 7:31:24 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
In other words, Steve hit a nerve!
45 posted on 02/05/2003 7:47:03 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

GOT A NEW BROOM RUY?
46 posted on 02/05/2003 8:12:26 PM PST by restornu
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To: Wrigley; drstevej; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; A.J.Armitage; LiteKeeper
I wish I heard this before I so foolishly plunged into Mormonism. The Mormons are so very wrong in their beliefs it is almost painful to watch them attempt to spin their false doctrines as somehow Christian.
47 posted on 02/05/2003 8:32:54 PM PST by CARepubGal
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God brought you and P-Marlowe out of Mormonism to faith in Jesus (minus Joe). We need to keep praying for restornu. It would be great to have her as a sister in Christ.
48 posted on 02/05/2003 9:09:08 PM PST by drstevej
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To: restornu
I is goin to get you!

Hey, he hasn't been turned black yet.

But I'm sure the Mormon god is going to come through and smite us with undelightsome skin any moment now.

49 posted on 02/06/2003 12:04:42 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
I don't know who you are but you are one bitter soul and a one track mind.

My advice to go read some lovely up lifting verses in the NT.

As far a I can see you never let your light shine once on the religious forum.

***


You been attending this forum with a chainsaw!

50 posted on 02/06/2003 5:30:04 AM PST by restornu
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