Question: Is There a Local Responsibility for Children -- According to the Bible?

[xzins]

Yes. Good stuff.

Very clear instructions that the parents are responsible for their children's education, imho.

The little neighborhood I grew up in, you could bet that if I got out of line down the street, that one of those moms would be up filling my parents in on what happened. My folks would take their word and I'd be in serious trouble.

The neighbors expected information from other parents living up and down the street....and they got it. There was a consensus that they'd be part of keeping an eye out for each other's kids.

Is that attitude biblical?

[xzins]

one of the scary things on the sidebar is that she leads all democratic candidates in presidential polls.

just the thought of president hillary makes me want to buy land in the Yukon.

[drstevej]

She leads among Democrats but not in a head to head with GWB. Other democrats do better. She is the hard-core dem darling, but hard core Dems are about 33% of the vote. She looses all moderates.

[w_over_w]

How would you argue local town responsibility is greater than is county seat responsibility?

Pure logistics. Those members of your local board are members of the community and not only see the results of their decisions but also account for those decisions to you. You are the Spiritual leader of your community and represent the God given responsibility of parents to educate their children within a board structure that nourishes that desire.

[xzins]

Are you saying I don't HAVE to go to the Yukon?

[xzins]

I agree with the argument.

It is an extension of the "parent's responsibility" to raise his own children argument. I do not disagree with it.
It doesn't clinch, however, that 5 miles away is better than 25 miles away.

I'm looking for an additional argument....perhaps one based on local responsibility. What do you think?

[w_over_w]

My folks would take their word and I'd be in serious trouble.

Finally, a subject I feel qualified to discuss . . . =^D

[xzins]

Is the following some indication of local/town/village responsibilities?

11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17"Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues. 18On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

[w_over_w]

I'm looking for an additional argument....perhaps one based on local responsibility. What do you think?

I think I need I to go make sure our helical scan tapes are programed for 1AM system back-up or I won't be employed on Monday.

I'll drop you a note this weekend.

But remember this one thing . . . you're the best because it's Christ in you, the hope of glory!

[Ff--150]

Lol, the biblical attitude would have been to stone you, Pastor (Deut. 21). When I was growing up you act up and your friend's mom or dad could "bust" you, or "switch" you. But, when the mom's would ask later how you minded, the answer would be always what a fine, outstanding young man you were...?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

You know, I really think the only thing you can do is point out at every opprotunity you can the problems in the schools. If a parent chooses to ignore or not acknowledge those problems, it is their right, the children are their children. I printed the article I posted to you out and gave it out at church, I try to keep up with what is going on in the schools, even though my children did not attend, and point out problems as I see them. It has become a subject most people don't want to talk to me about:)

I am continusosly amazed at Christians sending their children into the dens of iniquity that the public school system has become. You always get, "well it's not like that at our school", which I would like to reply "B_@#s#!T."

I guess is what I am trying to say is that yes we have a responsiblity to TELL parents about what goes on in schools and the effects that will have on their childs spiritual and even physical lives, and making your votes count towards betterment of the PS's (if possible) , but beyond that I don't see where any one has further rights then that.

I have always wanted to hear a preacher get up in the pulpit and really lay it out to the congregation along the lines of the article I posted, but that wouldn't be PC would it:) Is this what you are thinking about?

Becky

[xzins]

what is a helical scan tape???

is it on the holo-deck?

[xzins]

Probably wasn't a lot of leeway for truants and hoodums....death sort of changes the gene pool.

But what about the "Mischievous?"

[xzins]

Not really. That hadn't been on my mind. A letter to an editor perhaps, or just a line of reasoning that made people think.

And if it is more than just my opinion, and is biblical, then I certainly would be unafraid to speak it in church.

The schools around our little town really are a little different....a throwback to the 1950's perhaps. We do have our 10 commandments posted out front and we are the subject of an ACLU suit, and all of that combines to tell me that we are different -- to an extent.

[xzins]

Is this a story that speaks of local responsibility? Criminal area....not educational.

Judges 20 Israelites Fight the Benjamites 1 Then all the Israelites from Dan to Beersheba and from the land of Gilead came out as one man and assembled before the LORD in Mizpah. 2 The leaders of all the people of the tribes of Israel took their places in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand soldiers armed with swords. 3 (The Benjamites heard that the Israelites had gone up to Mizpah.) Then the Israelites said, "Tell us how this awful thing happened." 4 So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, "I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night. 5 During the night the men of Gibeah came after me and surrounded the house, intending to kill me. They raped my concubine, and she died. 6 I took my concubine, cut her into pieces and sent one piece to each region of Israel's inheritance, because they committed this lewd and disgraceful act in Israel. 7 Now, all you Israelites, speak up and give your verdict." 8 All the people rose as one man, saying, "None of us will go home. No, not one of us will return to his house. 9 But now this is what we'll do to Gibeah: We'll go up against it as the lot directs. 10 We'll take ten men out of every hundred from all the tribes of Israel, and a hundred from a thousand, and a thousand from ten thousand, to get provisions for the army. Then, when the army arrives at Gibeah [1] in Benjamin, it can give them what they deserve for all this vileness done in Israel." 11 So all the men of Israel got together and united as one man against the city. 12 The tribes of Israel sent men throughout the tribe of Benjamin, saying, "What about this awful crime that was committed among you? 13 Now surrender those wicked men of Gibeah so that we may put them to death and purge the evil from Israel."

[w_over_w]

what is a helical scan tape???

\Hel"i*cal\, a. [From {Helix}.] Of or pertaining to, or in the form of, a helix; spiral; as, a helical staircase; a helical spring. -- {Hel"i*cal*ly}, adv.

1PK DDS1 2/4GB 4MM 90M HELICAL SCAN DATA CART HS-4/90S

The HS-4/90s is a Maxell 4mm data cartridge that features 2GB uncompressed data (due to a helix config. Stacked across 4mm) storage capacity with a Media Recognition System (MRS) that allows the drive system to detect the presence of data grade tape. It’s ideal for protecting data because the fine metal particles in the magnetic layer of the tape acts as a protective armor against heat, humidity, and eventual oxidation. The result is a tape durable enough to withstand at least 2,000 passes with an archival life of up to 30 years.

is it on the holo-deck?

It better not be or someone's in double bubble trouble!

[nobdysfool]

Is the following some indication of local/town/village responsibilities?

This passage is more to do with preaching the gospel, and how to deal with local authorities in that regard, I think. It doesn't really address the raising of children, and their schooling.

Others have established that scripture seems to indicate that teaching children is the parents' responsibility, at least with regard to the things of God. I would say that in this day, if you can't home school your children, you should be very involved with, and exercise oversight over those to whom you, in effect, delegate the bulk of their education. If you're being perceived by them as a "pain in the neck", you should be doing it just about right...

[xzins]

Yep. I didn't think it dealt with education. I was wondering if it was a scripture that showed a "town" responsibility as opposed to an individual responsibility.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Is the following some indication of local/town/village responsibilities?

My short answer is no, not in regard to the question at hand.

I'm gonna split the difference with Kjam22 and Soothing Dave, and say that while there is NO Biblical Authorization for "local responsibility for children" save that of the Parents (even in cases of genuine Abuse or Criminal activity by the Parents, the Local Community can only intervene in the sphere of Parental Sovereignty to punish transgressions on the part of the Parent, and in extreme circumstances to remand the children over to the Parental Authority of another Parent, preferably a Relative)....

Yet I would humbly argue that Local/Village Control is nonetheless more Biblical than County Control.

How can this be, you ask -- if there is NO Biblical Authority for the Community Control of children at all?

Simple. Local Control of Children is not a "moral good". It is a lesser evil.

Let us say that in a County of 30-40,000, there are 10,000 families populating 100 Local Communities. And let us further say that there is, generally, a 60% Majority Consensus.

(Creation-Evolution teaching in Publik Skools is a great example. VERY ROUGHLY speaking, nation-wide 15% of Parents favor "Evolution Only". 25% of parents favor "Creation Only". The 60% in the mushy middle favor a "dual-model" approach, teaching both sides and letting the chips fall. As such, they are the majority -- although the current Rule in Schools is "evolution only")

• Thus, when one usurps unto the Authority of the County of 10,000 Families the legal power to over-rule the Parental Sovereignty of 40% of the Families in favor of the 60% majority, one is making one-self an Accomplice to some 4,000 counts of Transgression against the Fifth Commandment.
• By contrast, when one usurps unto the Authority of the Local Community of 100 Families the legal power to over-rule the Parental Sovereignty of 40% of the Families in favor of the 60% majority, one is "only" making one-self an Accomplice to some 40 counts of Transgression against the Fifth Commandment.

It is not a Moral Good; but it is a lesser evil. In fact, in some (highly Christianized) Communities where all 100 Families favor a Creation-only Teaching model (for example), then no moral evil has been committed at all, at least not a transgression against Parental Sovereignty (albeit Private, Church, and Home schooling may be better still).

This sort of (Biblically-Legitimate) Unanimous Covenant is theoretically possible in a local community of 100 Families; it is almost a mathematical impossibility in a County of 10,000 families. MOSES may have been able to get Two Million Israelites to Covenant together under the Law of God (for Israel; Gentile Nations are probably under a different "dispensation" of sorts), but since the day of Moses the only major example of Unanimous Covenant is John Calvin and his 20,000 Genevans (no more than 3 or 4,000 Families, I would guess).

Make sense?

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I am flagging George W. Bush in particular because I know that he serves his community on School Board questions and he once asked me if I thought it was "hypocritical" of him to do so, given my Biblical Libertarianism. I don't think that it is "hypocritical". The question is similar to asking, "Is it a Moral Good for the State to tax away 40% of a man's earnings, or should we reduce the Extortion to only 30%?" or "Is it a Moral Good to permit Legal Abortion in all three trimesters, or only in the first?" Well, neither. I don't think that it is a Moral Good for Caesar to take triple the Tithe, let alone quadruple. I don't think that it is a Moral Good to permit the killing of the unborn one-third of the time, let alone all the time.

But if God, in his Sovereignty, has placed a Man in the position to Vote on these matters, and if these are the only Options raised in committee for a Vote... then as long as one does not imagine one's self to be voting in Favor of a "moral good" (it will not be morally good until the Fifth and Sixth Commandments are upheld in their entirety -- children returned to the authority of Parents, but without the obscene "legal" permission to murder the children), there is nothing "hypocritical" in voting in Favor of the reduction of moral evil.

[maestro]

Thanks!

? Is There a Local Responsibility for Children -- According to the Bible?

Answer:
Matthew 19:14
Mark 10:14
Luke 18:16

Maranatha!