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Where Have All the FR Protestants Gone?
drstevej

Posted on 04/08/2003 10:29:25 AM PDT by drstevej

OBSERVATIONS:

[1] There seems to be a significantly reduced number of Protestant Threads (KJV Only being the exception for sure) in the FR Religion Forum.

[2] There seems to be a reduced number of FR Protestant posts in the Religion Forum.

This thread is a place to discuss these observations.


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1 posted on 04/08/2003 10:29:25 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
FR burnout, its all been said over and over and over and over....

By the way, I seen the xzins post on LF today while I was lurking.

BigMack
2 posted on 04/08/2003 10:35:29 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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3 posted on 04/08/2003 10:36:07 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: drstevej
Sorry, it was LP not LF.

BigMack
4 posted on 04/08/2003 10:37:13 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: drstevej
We don't want to overstay our welcome?
5 posted on 04/08/2003 10:37:55 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: ksen
Fish and house guest's start to stink after 3 days. :)

BigMack
6 posted on 04/08/2003 10:38:58 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
***By the way, I seen the xzins post on LF today while I was lurking. ***

First it was Elvis sightings
~NOW~
It is Xzins sightings !!!

BTW, Xzins can be reached telepathically through C[lear] C[hannel] Woody!
7 posted on 04/08/2003 10:43:54 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
How ya been?

I think I'll wander over to the Story and see what's happening over there.
8 posted on 04/08/2003 10:43:58 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: drstevej
I was told a time or two to "butt out" of the Catholic threads.
9 posted on 04/08/2003 10:45:30 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: drstevej
There seems to be a significantly reduced number of Protestant Threads (KJV Only being the exception for sure) in the FR Religion Forum.

Reduced in number as a large percent HAVE left for greener pastures due to censorship issues. You see, we can discuss Calvin, Wesley, Servetus, Augustine, Popes, Luther and thier shortcomings both personally and theologically.....but the minute Protestants mention Joseph Smith the topic is squashed and we are told to "knock it off".

We can discuss Catholic doctrine and Protestant doctrine - but Mormon doctrine is off limits.

Protestants get thier knuckles rapped - but certain posters can swear and post anti semitic comments and hateful rhetoric regarding Protestantism.

I suspect they have all gotten sick of the disproportionate censorship and departed.

[2] There seems to be a reduced number of FR Protestant posts in the Religion Forum.

This is no surprise, and thier departure is clearly reflected in the traffic stats for the site - no doubt this will translate to a dollar figure

Doesnt matter though - the republicans or certain sects will fill the coffers of thier shortfall

shake your boots off on the way out

10 posted on 04/08/2003 10:54:59 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: ksen
***How ya been?

I think I'll wander over to the Story and see what's happening over there.***

Its dead over there too.

I just love to fill out stupid questions on forms with equally
stupid answers.

Form: Length of Residence...
Answer: 73 feet

Form: Are you a leader or a follower ?
Answer: A leader, but w/o many followers

Form: Reason for requesting employment
Answer: Money

Form: Pet Aversions
Answer: None, I love animals

Form: Beneficiary
Answer: Wife
Form: Relationship
Answer: Strained

BigMack
11 posted on 04/08/2003 10:55:08 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: drstevej; ksen
Kinda makes ya think it might be time to wash the dust off yer feet and move on...
12 posted on 04/08/2003 10:55:15 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Official FR Meteorologist)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
What's LP?
13 posted on 04/08/2003 10:58:10 AM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
What's LP?

Long-Playing?
Lucky-Panties?
Little-People?
Libertarian Party? (I actually cast my first vote for a Libertarian about 3 weeks ago, it felt good.)

14 posted on 04/08/2003 11:02:17 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
LOL!
15 posted on 04/08/2003 11:02:42 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Corin Stormhands; drstevej; ksen
Kinda makes ya think it might be time to wash the dust off yer feet and move on...

I'll tell ya what the real problem is...no new bodys, we all have talked each other to death and know what is coming when we see the name of the poster even before we read what he posted.

The answer to fix this...talk to people where you go to church and have them sign up and join in the fun! :)

BigMack

16 posted on 04/08/2003 11:02:55 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Corin Stormhands; drstevej
I need some more initials to add after my name so I can catch up with drsteve.....phd.
17 posted on 04/08/2003 11:03:32 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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phd?

piled higher and deeper? oh c'mon, somebody had to ask

I like the tag line

18 posted on 04/08/2003 11:06:36 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM)
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To: Wrigley
LibertyPost.org

BigMack
19 posted on 04/08/2003 11:08:31 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Corin Stormhands
Just wait till we have to explain 'FRM' to our fellow hole dwellers. ;^)
20 posted on 04/08/2003 11:25:57 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; drstevej; ksen
I'll tell ya what the real problem is...no new bodys, we all have talked each other to death and know what is coming when we see the name of the poster even before we read what he posted.

Hey Mack, good to meet you, my first reply to you or Becky.

i don't really think that i should suggest a place where people might get banned for uttering (ok, typing) the word "Mormon". i know i'd REALLY feel bad about them paying to be censored. One would expect a little more than Lip Service Paid to the First Amendment. If i wanted that i could join DU.

Some of us have to be real careful these days, while others can do what ever they want, and insult who ever they want. i guess Orwell had it pegged that "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

21 posted on 04/08/2003 11:29:58 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (Ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.)
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To: Revelation 911; jimrob
Reduced in number as a large percent HAVE left for greener pastures due to censorship issues. You see, we can discuss Calvin, Wesley, Servetus, Augustine, Popes, Luther and thier shortcomings both personally and theologically.....but the minute Protestants mention Joseph Smith the topic is squashed and we are told to "knock it off".

I agree this must be the reason that less Christian feel welcome on freerepublic.It is the reason I post less, and less.

I have read many posts where a certain Mormon, (Illbay) says very ugly remarks about protestants, and jews, but gets to continue.

Some of the Mormons are constantly trying to win converts to their religion, and if someone like myself tries to bring some light on the doctrines that are more hidden, and controversial,they are told to knock it off, and quit picking on the poor Mormons.

Even discussing the Elizabeth Smart case was off limits because it involved hidden Mormon doctrine.

Freerepublic is getting much like the left, where Christians, and Jews are the only people you are able bash.

I feel bad about this because in many other areas I agree with many of these folks, but I find the censorship of my faith so offensive that I find myself staying away for that reason.
22 posted on 04/08/2003 11:39:54 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Why do you have to bash anyone?
23 posted on 04/08/2003 11:41:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: ksen
I actually cast my first vote for a Libertarian about 3 weeks

Do they believe in LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY?
24 posted on 04/08/2003 11:43:07 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Jim Robinson
Delphinium: Some of the Mormons are constantly trying to win converts to their religion, and if someone like myself tries to bring some light on the doctrines that are more hidden, and controversial,they are told to knock it off, and quit picking on the poor Mormons.

Jim Rob: Why do you have to bash anyone?

Where did Delphinium say that she "bashed" anyone?

If person "A" makes a claim, is it "bashing" to examine those claims and point out where they are wrong?

25 posted on 04/08/2003 11:50:36 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Delphinium
Whoop, meant to ping you to #25.
26 posted on 04/08/2003 11:51:07 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Delphinium
Do they believe in LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY?

Yep.

27 posted on 04/08/2003 11:51:57 AM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: ksen
"Freerepublic is getting much like the left, where Christians, and Jews are the only people you are able bash."
28 posted on 04/08/2003 11:55:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: drstevej
Some of us have found places where honest discussion is allowed. No tattle-tale button for the whiners.
29 posted on 04/08/2003 12:02:39 PM PDT by snerkel (Choose Jesus, not some cheap imitation.)
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To: Jim Robinson; ksen; Delphinium
"Freerepublic is getting much like the left, where Christians, and Jews are the only people you are able bash."

With all due respect Jim, that's the point. Delphinium doesn't want to bash anyone. Her(?) point is that it appears that it is still acceptable to bash Christians and Jews. While, at the same time, any challenge to another very prominent sect is met with the very heavy hand of the moderators.

We all know that things get out of hand here sometimes. And we all (okay most of us) acknowledge that you can make and enforce any rules you want.

But in the last 2-3 months, the religion forum has taken a very pro-LDS bias. And that's a shame.

30 posted on 04/08/2003 12:04:35 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM)
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To: Corin Stormhands
No it is not acceptable to bash anyone.
31 posted on 04/08/2003 12:06:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Delphinium; Illbay; restornu; JesseShurun
"Freerepublic is getting much like the left, where Christians, and Jews are the only people you are able bash."

Right, she is saying that as someone being bashed, not as someone doing the bashing.

More and more it seems that there is a protected class on the Religion Forum: Mormons.

Someone said it elsewhere about us over here being able to critically examine the theology and personalities behind the various faiths here, except Mormonism.

Illbay can post things critical of the Pope, restornu can attack Jewish people, and nothing is said. But if someone brings up Joseph Smith marrying young adolescents then they are the ones told to knock it off or are given a timeout.

32 posted on 04/08/2003 12:07:11 PM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Jim Robinson
With all due respect Jim Robinson, there are many times that personal attacks occur in the forum. Many times the personal attacks are overlooked by many of us and we simply consider the source. However, I do not agree that discussion and comparison of religious beliefs (Christianity and Mormonism, the Bible and the Book of Mormon) to be bashing. If a person does not possess a solid foundation in their beliefs and they are no capable of defending their beliefs, they should not venture into cyberspace where their tiny world will be rocked and refuted.
33 posted on 04/08/2003 12:08:33 PM PDT by snerkel (Choose Jesus, not some cheap imitation.)
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To: snerkel
Respectfully, there are several on this forum who make Mormon bashing a career. And some who make Catholic bashing, Jew bashing, etc., etc., etc., a career. And it aint discussion. It's bashing. It's religious persecution. And whether or not the targets of this persecution are too sensitive to be on the net is not the point. I do not want it on my web site. Period. Keep it off. If you all leave, then that's the way it goes.




34 posted on 04/08/2003 12:15:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; ksen; JesseShurun; Revelation 911; drstevej; RnMomof7; Wrigley; Alex Murphy; ...
Then there's a lot of bashing that's being swept under the rug.

ksen is right. Illbay trashes Catholics (and earlier this week Southern Baptists and Assembly of God - my denomination). restornu bashes Jews.

At the risk of your ire, I'd have to ask why that's allowed but drstevej is expressly forbidden to discuss Mormonism.

I'm pinging others that have specific examples of their posts being pulled when challenging Mormons.

35 posted on 04/08/2003 12:17:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM)
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To: drstevej
I would post more but I try to limit myself to one hour of internet time a night. Honestly, I don't know how many hours some of you spend on here but I suspect that it must be A LOT.

However, I am on here, as a lurker (though recently promoted to weatherman) fairly regularly and I too have noticed a real change in the tone and frequency of discussion. And, yes, I too would agree that there are specific members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who I would accuse of being directly responsible for severly inhibiting discussion and debate on this forum.

I can honestly say that I have learned a tremendous amount by being here and I really miss the knowledgeable and passionate discussion that used to prevail, so if many have indeed moved on to greener pastures, then I would hope someone would lend me their map so that I could tag along too.

36 posted on 04/08/2003 12:25:37 PM PDT by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Look, if you see someone going over the line, use the abuse button. If the moderators agree, the posts will normally be removed. However, in many cases, especially on this forum, the abuse is going both ways. It's tough for a moderator to take any action at all when there are NO clean hands. Many times we will simply post a knock it off warning to all involved or sometimes we delete the entire thread. I'm often tempted to just delete the entire Religion forum. If the particpants here cannot learn to be civil to each other, then why bother. It ain't worth the grief.

And then, there are the abuse button abusers.... sheesh, this stuff can drive a person nuts.
37 posted on 04/08/2003 12:28:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
The religious forum is good for learning, some bash, I've done it before, I try not to anymore, it does no good, as far as the mormons go, who cares? Leave them to themselfs, overlook their posts, as far as I'm concerned their not here.

As far as the rules go, I can only do as they apply to me, the rest, its their problem.

BigMack
38 posted on 04/08/2003 12:31:31 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Jim Robinson
Respectfully, there are several on this forum who make Mormon bashing a career.

Is posting verifiable facts considered bashing?

And some who make Catholic bashing, Jew bashing, etc., etc., etc., a career.

True.

And it aint discussion. It's bashing.

That may be true, but when you set this forum up you said the rules would be loosened up over here. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

It's religious persecution. And whether or not the targets of this persecution are too sensitive to be on the net is not the point. I do not want it on my web site. Period. Keep it off.

Persecution? Don't you think that's a bit over the top?

Was it persecution to bring up Clinton's felonies? Was is persecution to bring up Democrat scandals? Was it persecution to bring up RINO backstabbing?

It's not persecution to discuss and challenge deeply held beliefs. I would submit that the Founders would have thought religious expression more important to protect than political expression.

People just being plain nasty shouldn't be tolerated, but I don't see very much of that on this forum.

If you all leave, then that's the way it goes.

Like they say, it is your living room.

39 posted on 04/08/2003 12:32:05 PM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Jim Robinson
If the moderators agree, the posts will normally be removed.

The moderators are the ones with the bias.

40 posted on 04/08/2003 12:32:50 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM)
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To: Corin Stormhands
B/S.
41 posted on 04/08/2003 12:36:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Look, if you don' like it here.... well, you know the drill.
42 posted on 04/08/2003 12:36:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I started to answer that I don't feel that I bash anyone, but that is untrue. I really detest democrats, anti-American peaceniks, elitists, socialists, so-called environmentalists , people who want to take away private property rights, or any of my constitutional rights.
I really detest people who hate Jews. Or people who think they are the real Jews, and the ones in Israel are imposters.I have a hard time being silent about these issues.

Is that what you call bashing?

Truth is, I like Mormons, and have many close friends, and allies who are Mormons. We agree on many of the issues listed above.

I am offended that Mormons are allowed to call my GOD a false God

My "rant" as you call it was against that brutal, uncaring and hateful creation that you call "god. Not against the REAL God. ." by Illbay, to a Christian.

What is wrong with answering this?

we believe that there are at least 4 people right now who God allowed to 'tarry in the flesh' on the earth until the second coming. They were alive long before 1833 and still are.

Why would discussing Mormon doctrine as it is relevant to current events be off limits? Like in the Smart case?

Why are Mormons able to bash Jews? Illbay does it regularly, and he is one that hits the abuse button when anyone wants to bring out weird Mormon doctrines.

Many of us are very acquainted with Mormon doctrine from birth. It has affected our lives, and our history. Its very hard to sit back and see these people have an uncensored pulpit, to win converts to a religion we consider to be very oppressive, and very false.

Would it help if I went through the threads and tattled every time one of them said very ugly things about us, or our God?
43 posted on 04/08/2003 12:37:06 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm often tempted to just delete the entire Religion forum. If the particpants here cannot learn to be civil to each other, then why bother. It ain't worth the grief.

Are you equally put off by the incivility of the News forum and the General chat forum? Or is it only Religious incivility that you don't like?

And then, there are the abuse button abusers.... sheesh, this stuff can drive a person nuts.

I feel for ya on that one JimRob. One of my sons is like that. I have to tell him, if there's no blood or broken bones then I don't want to hear it. ;^)

44 posted on 04/08/2003 12:37:11 PM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: ksen
The only thing you got right is the last one.
45 posted on 04/08/2003 12:39:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Onelifetogive; jimrob
I was told a time or two to "butt out" of the Catholic threads

For a while there was alot of Catholic bashing. Why was that allowed? I didn't see the Catholics hitting the abuse button, or the threads being pulled?
46 posted on 04/08/2003 12:40:19 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Jim Robinson
This is from xzins:

Apparently, to bash a Christian or Jew is permitted by FR. However, to DISCUSS the weird doctrines of Mormons is not even allowed. Hey, Jim, did you know that Joseph Smith “married” dozens of women and had sex with them. It’s a fact, bubba, but it cannot be discussed on FR. A fact is not even bashing….it’s just speaking history. Yet, for months we’ve endured hundreds of “catholic priest buggering boys” posts and no comments ever by FR moderators. How do YOU explain! that?

47 posted on 04/08/2003 12:41:43 PM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Revelation 911; jimrob
If you don't heed the prophet's words, you will not obey God, my friend. And you will suffer for it if it is willful.

Also, you ignore the fact that, despite all the hellish efforts of god-forsaken, Satan-spawned heathens like yourself, murdering, raping and trying your best to destroy it, the latter-day work of TRUTH has only gotten stronger, and that the ultimate prophecy of Joseph Smith--that the Lord is God, that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is true, and that the Church will never be destroyed from off the face of the earth despite the worst efforts of the hell-spawn such as continue to infest these threads--is coming to pass every single day.

Tremble, ye demons of the infernal pit. Rant, rail and spew your lying filth all your can, while you can. Soon you'll be locked away in the infernal pit, and the godly will be rid of you and your devilish deeds forever.

"Persecution has not stopped the progress of truth, but has only added fuel to the flame, it has spread with increasing rapidity. Our missionaries are going forth to different nations...The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done." The Prophet Joseph Smith


One of many from a Mormon to a Christian.This one was from the button pusher, Illbay.
48 posted on 04/08/2003 12:47:34 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; ksen
Good grief. Work it out for yourselves. I can't solve your problems. Just quit trashing each other and or trashing the other guy's religion. It ain't rocket science and it ain't that complicated and it's not an unreasonable request.

Jim out!
49 posted on 04/08/2003 12:47:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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Sure has been rainy around here.
50 posted on 04/08/2003 12:49:46 PM PDT by drstevej
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