To: BibChr; dsc
- We could get into an endless chicken-egg loop on that one, I think. 9 posted on 05/13/2003 10:51 AM EDT by dsc
- Which the chicken, which the egg? 10 posted on 05/13/2003 10:56 AM EDT by BibChr
- BIBLICAL Christianity is the immune system (salt/light) of society.
- Degeneracy is always present in society.
- The prevalence of degeneracy increases as the immune system is compromised.
- Initally, art is more an indicator than propagator of the acceptance / prevalence of degeneracy.
- Finally, art becomes both indicator & propagator of degeneracy.
posted on 05/13/2003 8:27:23 AM PDT
Fits what I observe. But I have wondered, seriously, why The Arts sem to attract so many morally wrecked-up individuals (and what the chicken-egg relationship is). I love movies, always have; but it conflicts me that, in some ways, I'm supporting people whose lives are wrecked up (in? by?) what I am supporting.
posted on 05/13/2003 8:54:03 AM PDT
("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
"1. Initally, art is more an indicator than propagator of the acceptance / prevalence of degeneracy.
2. Finally, art becomes both indicator & propagator of degeneracy."
I can see validity in that. But then you write (correctly):
"The task for revolutionaries is then obvious: they must undermine traditional values. To do soand here precisely lies Gramscis greatest originalityrevolutionaries should not "seize power first and impose a cultural revolution from above" (p. 77). Rather, they must first change the culture. Through a "long march through the institutions,"
If both of these propositions are correct, then it probably doesn't matter whether the media are "causing" or merely exacerbating the breakdown of morality.
I maintain that the Gramscians in all our institutions, including the media, are largely responsible for the tremendous increase in depravity over the last 50 or so years.
When we say that the arts are an indicator and not a cause, we must also reflect that artists (and media slugs) usually are the "avant garde," which is to say, depraved.
We are left then with the proposition that they are propagating depravity in their private capacity, but only indicating it in their professional life.
I don't see that it's a distinction worth making. If we're agreed that they're part of the problem and not part of the solution, that's good enough for me.
posted on 05/13/2003 5:22:44 PM PDT
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