VATICAN: Return of the Latin Mass? "celebrate Latin Mass on a weekly basis in every parish in world"

Inside the Vatican News ^ | May 13, 2003 | Robert Moynihan

[Polycarp]

stick a pre-dieu at one of the stations served by a Eucharistic Minister.

Actually, I think your "doddering seniors" comment was in regard to the resumption of the Tridentine Mass.

The rubrics of that Mass do not allow Eucharistic ministers.

[sinkspur]

The Faith is NOT practical. It is NOT convenient. It is. You just do it.

"The Faith" is not practiced on velvet clouds. Read Polycarp's recommendation above, and my concurrence.

If it's been done once, it can be done again.

When the Pope reverses the recently-released GIRM and mandates the reinstallation of communion rails in churches, then we'll see what happens.

I suspect JPII won't be doing that in his papacy and even Fabian Bruskewitz in Lincoln is not going to fund additional renovations wholesale to his dioceses' churches.

[sinkspur]

An abomination? An embarassment? Really badly written? Way too touchy feely?

To you? I never said any of those things.

BTW, you're getting melodramatic, Desie. Must be that head of steam you got last Friday night when you said There's lots of Catholics on this forum who don't like your Catholicism, sinkspur.

[Desdemona]

"The Faith" is not practiced on velvet clouds. Read Polycarp's recommendation above, and my concurrence.

Why do you put the Faith in quotes? I did read that exchange. I agree with Poly and somebody else on this list that the liturgy nuts are not to be trusted. Most of them try to be way too creative with something that needs no changes.

I also don't believe that we really need a rail, to be honest. Just to be on one's knees. and as for older people, an exception can be made. There is one made for those in wheelchairs now, but for youngun's like me, there's no excuse.

[sinkspur]

Actually, I think your "doddering seniors" comment was in regard to the resumption of the Tridentine Mass.

My "doddering seniors" comment was ridiculous, in response to the ridiculous "the dog ate my Missal" comments of Loyalist. See?

The rubrics of that Mass do not allow Eucharistic ministers.

Actually, they're "extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers" which likely wouldn't be needed for the Tridentine Masses at most parishes.

[Desdemona]

To you? I never said any of those things.

Did I say you did? The NO is banal and very badly written. There's no high art in it and it is not reflective of the heritage of the church. And that's very sad.

[Polycarp]

in connection with those who observe the Novus Ordo rubrics

You're being disingenuous. He's not talking about those who observe the Novus Ordo rubrics. He's talking about those who refuse faithful Catholics their RIGHT to kneel.

In which specific case, "unregenerate liturgical nazi" seems a very appropriate term, if a bit too soft on the SOBs who persecute faithful Catholics by refusing to allow them to kneel for Communion.

[Polycarp]

last Friday night when you said "There's lots of Catholics on this forum who don't like your Catholicism, sinkspur."

Sink, I've seen you say far worse to orthodox faithful Catholics. ALL of us need to recall "Glass houses and stones."

[Polycarp]

See?

Yes.

[Tantumergo]

"stick a pre-dieu at one of the stations served by a Eucharistic Minister."

FYI there are no such things as "Eucharistic Ministers" in the Catholic Church.

There are Ordinary Ministers of the Eucharist - bishops, priests and deacons.

And there are Exceptional Ministers of the Eucharist - acolytes.

And there are Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist - the employment of which is reserved for the absence of clergy or acolytes.

However, "Eucharistic Ministers" is descriptive of non-Catholic ministers who carry out "Eucharistic services".

[kstewskis]

The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.’”

THANK YOU LORD FOR LISTENING TO OUR PRAYERS!

What a great Christmas present this will be!

[sinkspur]

Why do you put the Faith in quotes?

You're the one that made it an object.

I attend Mass and worship the Good Lord.

"Practicing the Faith" has a rather clinical connotation, to me.

I agree with Poly and somebody else on this list that the liturgy nuts are not to be trusted.

There's a big difference between "nuts" and "nazis." The Wanderer used "nazis," which is not at all surprising.

I once read an editorial, ten years ago, in which somebody at the Wanderer was still railing at priests who go out in public, and to athletic events, in casual dress.

[Polycarp]

Amen and Amen!

And at the risk of sounding like a judgemental right wing kook, crank, and even (horrors!) integrist, I can't wait to shove this document in my bishop's face.

[sinkspur]

The NO is banal and very badly written. There's no high art in it and it is not reflective of the heritage of the church.

For high art, I go to the opera or the symphony.

When I go to Mass, I go to worship God and commemorate the sacrifice of His Son.

[sinkspur]

In which specific case, "unregenerate liturgical nazi" seems a very appropriate term, if a bit too soft on the SOBs who persecute faithful Catholics by refusing to allow them to kneel for Communion.

Well, I'll take your word that such people exist.

I've seen people kneel to receive the Eucharist in our parish, and the poor Eucharistic Minister struggle with them to help them to their feet.

People who want to receive kneeling should practice the art during the week, especially the "getting up" part. Do some lunges or something.

Kneel before God and get some exercise at the same time.

[ELS]

The rubrics of that Mass do not allow Eucharistic ministers.

A priest I know, who has never celebrated "that Mass", calls them Eucharistic monsters.

[sinkspur]

Sink, I've seen you say far worse to orthodox faithful Catholics.

I've said some pretty awful things to the schismatics, but I don't recall ripping anyone in union with Rome. But, I may have.

Mea culpa.

[kstewskis]

My dog ate my mother's old Missal

But you can still get one on eBay.... ;)

[kstewskis]

And at the risk of sounding like a judgemental right wing kook, crank, and even (horrors!) integrist, I can't wait to shove this document in my bishop's face.

Ah heck, risk it anyway.

I'll do the same w/ my bishop if you will, lol!

[narses]

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