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Count Hans Kolvenbach, the "black pope" - The Most Powerful Man In The World?
Revelation: Prophecy And Apologetic Website ^ | 4/15/2000 | Rick Martin

Posted on 05/21/2003 9:38:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called "elite" families)—the Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly motivated, other-dimensional "master deceivers" commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.

To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

(Excerpt) Read more at revelationwebsite.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Humor; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: babylon; blackpope; catholicism; catholics; conspiracy; endtimes; jackchick; jesuits; kolvenbach; pope; rcc
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This is for all you conspiracy buffs out there. You know who you are - or do you???

According to the article, the Jesuits are linked to every major global conflict and political assassination of at least the last half of the twentieth century. Count Hans Kolvenbach controls the Vatican. The Jesuit leaders worship Satan via a Black Mass, are the leaders behind the High Shriner Freemasons, were responsible for the creation of the US income tax and social security, are in COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire intelligence apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this country, all of it - and whose ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with a Pope of the Jesuit's making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem

I'm not Catholic. I'm not even much of a conspiracy buff. But when a conspiracy theory dives far enough off the deep end to hit the Ogasawara Trench, it actually hits my funny bone.

In the words of Dave Barry, "I am not making this up." Trust me, I couldn't make up stuff this weird, and God knows I've tried. I'd have given the Jesuits super powers derived from radioactive Holy water, and it still wouldn't be this weird. This article, and the collection of links on the home website, doesn't represent my faith. Don't ask me to defend it. Heck, just about everything I know about the Jesuits I learned from the movie The Mission.

If you believe the KJV is the only "safe" Bible for the English-speaking world to study from, you won't find this humorous. If you believe the Roman Catholic Church is the Antichrist or the Great Whore of Babylon, you'll think this is better than sex with your wife. And if you really think there's a secret cabal running the world invisibly, you're probably already dead just from the untracable contact poison on your mouse. You should have never clicked on this thread!

But for the rest of us - whether you are Catholic, Protestant, CFR, Jewish Banker, Illuminati or otherwise - feel free to discuss.

1 posted on 05/21/2003 9:38:39 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
According to the article, the Jesuits are linked to every major global conflict and political assassination of at least the last half of the twentieth century. Count Hans Kolvenbach controls the Vatican. The Jesuit leaders worship Satan via a Black Mass, are the leaders behind the High Shriner Freemasons, were responsible for the creation of the US income tax and social security, are in COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire intelligence apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this country, all of it - and whose ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with a Pope of the Jesuit's making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem

And here all this time i thought it was the wealth of the Knights Templers, who became the Freemasons in Scotland, and plotted to displace the Pope in Rome, and subvert the ruling houses of Europe and America.

Bloody Hell, this really cheeses me off! Here i thought WE SCOTS were running the whole bloody thing through an alliance of the Druids with the Masons!

2 posted on 05/21/2003 10:06:12 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (" White line's in the middle of the road. That's the WRONG place to walk!" -Roddy Piper, THEY LIVE)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
and reading on...

"The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many Jesuits who are not "professed", so many of the lower Jesuits have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of their Order.

It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion."


3 posted on 05/21/2003 10:20:03 AM PDT by 1 spark
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To: Alex Murphy
Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest and a Bishop in the old Roman Catholic Institution talks of the same type of stuff on hiw webpage and books and interviews.

Alberto Rivera passed away in 1997, but his website (http://www.albertoaic.com/) is still being maintained and there are several other books on this topic (and others, including the topic of freemasonry) that can be purchased on that site.
4 posted on 05/21/2003 10:20:57 AM PDT by The Bard
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; billbears
bump
5 posted on 05/21/2003 10:31:13 AM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: The Bard
Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest and a Bishop in the old Roman Catholic Institution talks of the same type of stuff on hiw webpage and books and interviews.

Jack Chick is a good source for some amusement. Alberto Romero Rivera was just one of them. You left out John Todd, supposed ex Grand Druid high Priest, and Dr. Rebecca Brown MD. i really hope that somebody in the Christian Community (either or both Catholic and Protestant), does a book on all of these theories.

You know, we haven't even gotten to the shortwave wackos yet.

6 posted on 05/21/2003 10:33:35 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (" White line's in the middle of the road. That's the WRONG place to walk!" -Roddy Piper, THEY LIVE)
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To: Alex Murphy; Illbay
This ought to bring Illbay back from wherever he has been.
7 posted on 05/21/2003 10:34:43 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: Alex Murphy

The "Black" Pope

Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General

8 posted on 05/21/2003 10:40:29 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Didn't you know some of us Catholics are Scots and so we're still running the whole bloody thing,lol?
9 posted on 05/21/2003 10:49:05 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: 1 spark
"So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion."

Shades of Windswept House...take this with a canister of salt (and lemon and tequila)
10 posted on 05/21/2003 10:53:03 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...and then ponder the worm)
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To: Domestic Church
Hey, DC. What is your estimation of Malachi Martin's book about the Jesuits?
11 posted on 05/21/2003 10:59:27 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: Domestic Church
While my comments were a bit in jest, the history of that particular theory is interesting and dates back to the time of the Bruce. In 1306 at Dumfries, the Bruce arranged a meeting with John the Red Commin, his majour competition for the throne, at the church. Bruce assaulted him on the Altar of the church. A Group of monks found Commin barely alive and took him in, caring for him. When the Bruce heard of it, he rode back to Dumfries in the middle of the night, drug Commin from his bed, back to the Altar of the church, and makes certain that he's dead this time.

He was sending a message to the Pope, who recieved it "5X5", and excommunicated the Bruce until 1322. Oddly enough, the execution of Jaques De Molay, grandmaster of the Templers, and the battle of Bannockburn happened the same day in 1314, (June 24-26).

Quite a bit is unclear about that time. The English (spit!) fled the field when a supposed force of "camp follower" formed their own regiment, and entered the battle for the Scots. i find this hard to believe, seeing as how the English (spit!) outnumbered the Scots 5:1. On the other hand, a division of Knights Templers, easily recognisable in full battle regelia, with their long beards would have struck terror into the English (spit!), since they were a battle hardened, formidable fighting force, with decades of experience.

Then there is the matter of all those unexplained Templer Gravestones around Mull and Killmartin dating from the 14th Century that the residents of the area either deny exist, or simply will not discuss.

"things that make you go Hmmmm..."

12 posted on 05/21/2003 11:08:41 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (" White line's in the middle of the road. That's the WRONG place to walk!" -Roddy Piper, THEY LIVE)
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To: Alex Murphy
"The Jesuit leaders worship Satan via a Black Mass"
Okay, so doesn't Old Nick have to get his due somehow?

"are the leaders behind the High Shriner Freemasons"
High, low who cares?

"Were responsible for the creation of the US income tax"
Holy $hit, thou foul spawn of Satan!!
13 posted on 05/21/2003 11:13:41 AM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: drstevej
I would have given it little credence years ago but there is some truth in it I have heard from several Catholics I respect. With the horrid news of the past year and a half it certainly seems more plausible.(Though this sort of scandal also happen back in the days of St. Peter Damian (1100's I think) and he wrote extensively of it and championed the house cleaning back then and there arose many notable Saints in the wake of that.)

Sifting between the fiction and the truth is the sticky wicket. I also look at Malachi Martin's works in view of some of the Catholic prophecies that foretold of this scandal. There is no doubt that there are good and bad in the Vatican right now. The current Pope has traveled so much and his actions outside the Vatican walls might be a way of circumventing any enthronment of evil/cabal trying to control him.

The important thing to focus on with the swirling of any scandal is that we know Who wins in the end.
14 posted on 05/21/2003 11:40:45 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Here i thought WE SCOTS were running the whole bloody thing through an alliance of the Druids with the Masons!

I thought the Scots were like we Irish -- God created whisky to prevent us from ruling the world.

SD

15 posted on 05/21/2003 12:03:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Domestic Church
From Amazon's website:

Vatican Assassins: Wounded in the House of My Friends
by Eric Jon Phelps



Availability: THIS TITLE IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE. If you would like to purchase this title, we recommend that you occasionally check this page to see if it has become available.

Hmmmmmm...
16 posted on 05/21/2003 12:07:26 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Jack Chick is a good source for some amusement. Alberto Romero Rivera was just one of them. You left out John Todd, supposed ex Grand Druid high Priest, and Dr. Rebecca Brown MD. i really hope that somebody in the Christian Community (either or both Catholic and Protestant), does a book on all of these theories.

I'll admit it was first at Jack Chick that I heard about Alberto Romero. At first I thought that he was a made up character for their comic "Crusaders" series, but after some research, I have found that he was a real person.

Weather or not Alberto Romero was wacky, I don't know. My research has shown that he did exist, he did tour various colleges and churches, and that he did talk out in regards to a "Black Pope" as being the real power behind the Catholic Church.

17 posted on 05/21/2003 12:12:46 PM PDT by The Bard
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To: SoothingDave
No, no, no, the whiskey is the joint lubricant that allows us to rule the world.
18 posted on 05/21/2003 12:21:03 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...and it allowed lots of jigging back and forth between Ireland and Scotland)
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To: The Bard
"Weather or not Alberto Romero was wacky,..."

If the gout is acting up, try the whiskey.
19 posted on 05/21/2003 12:24:31 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: The Bard
From the article:

Martin: .... You dedicated the book to four Roman Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles Chiniquy, Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why them?

Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they left the priesthood and told the truth about what was really happening. And all four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with their life. Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit assassination of President Lincoln, when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits, and that it was covered-up by our government at the time.


Relating to the above:
http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/chin/fiftyc.htm

http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/lincon/linintro.htm
20 posted on 05/21/2003 12:33:57 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: SoothingDave
"I thought the Scots were like we Irish -- God created whisky to prevent us from ruling the world."

No, He convinced you Picts to paint yourselves blue
so the rest of us could spot you and give you a wide berth.
21 posted on 05/21/2003 12:34:22 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: The Bard
That website was "not found on this server."
22 posted on 05/21/2003 12:54:56 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Alex Murphy
Did you get to the part(s) where he refers to Ronald Reagan as the greatest traitor in US history, and also says that Lincoln was opposed to a strong central government?

I gotta find out what this guy's drinking and get me some.

23 posted on 05/21/2003 12:58:59 PM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: Domestic Church
Sorry, my cut/paste incluede the ) into the web address (thus making it look like the address should be http://www.albertoaic.com/), which naturally doesn't work.

Try http://www.albertoaic.com/
24 posted on 05/21/2003 1:01:18 PM PDT by The Bard
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To: The Bard
I just took a look at the website and found red flags...the idea of the priest at his mothers death bed getting in contact with the Pope for some special blessing or whatever is ridiculous. It would be extremely difficult for a Bishop to get such an action for his own mother, and it just wouldn't be done as the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick(Extreme Unction) would be done. The whole story seemed contrived to fit an agenda. There will always be religious hucksters...even in the New Testament someone wanted to buy powers from the Apostles...nothing new.
25 posted on 05/21/2003 1:15:49 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Domestic Church
As a post script, this is not to defend the Jesuits.
26 posted on 05/21/2003 1:19:16 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: The Bard
Your link didn't work. Also, I think Malachi Martin expressed the same ideas.
27 posted on 05/21/2003 1:24:21 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Deut. 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: sharktrager
I only got as far as his analysis of the Council Of Trent myself!
28 posted on 05/21/2003 1:25:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Domestic Church
Not argueing anything with you on this. I just showing that there were other sources for the idea of a "Black Pope" who ran Rome from behind the sceens.
29 posted on 05/21/2003 1:26:09 PM PDT by The Bard
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To: The Bard
Understood. I was just giving my viewpoint.

While I do believe there are some bad eggs in the Vatican that need to be thrown out, I don't think they have or have had an extended strangle hold though they have left major scars.
30 posted on 05/21/2003 1:35:35 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Alex Murphy; The Bard; Domestic Church; ET(end tyranny)
Well going further down, this was, um, at least interesting considering our recent alert warnings. Sheesh.



"So what’s going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the Rock is, that has got to be removed—somehow, someway. It’s on the Temple site; it has to be removed.

If I was the Jesuit General, I would make— somehow, someway—American bombers do it. Because I want to create universal hatred for this nation of the United States, because in the United States there are more Protestants and more Jews than any country in the world, and "we’ve" got to kill all those people. So what better way than to create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical attack against the United States, coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East. That’s what I think is going to happen.

The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site because, if they do, Rome will destroy their efforts of rebuilding the Temple.

Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that Temple will never be rebuilt. It has to stay in Jewish hands—because the Jews, and rightfully so, need their own homeland. They’re entitled to the nation. And they haven’t had their own Temple of worship. They are rightfully entitled to that.

But what they don’t know is that they are being used by the Jesuits to rebuild their own Temple, that they would love to have rebuilt, for the Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the Anti-Christ of the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That’s what I see coming for Israel.

The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away too much. He probably wanted to give away some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits will never allow that. So, his bodyguards just step aside and the Mossad kills him. And nothing more is ever heard.

Rome’s—the Jesuit General’s—international intelligence community carries out all high-level assassinations, kills anybody who’s against their program."
31 posted on 05/21/2003 8:45:16 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: 1 spark
"So what’s going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the Rock is, that has got to be removed—somehow, someway. It’s on the Temple site; it has to be removed.

Not neccessarily....

Peaceful Solution/Third Temple

32 posted on 05/22/2003 5:56:59 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Deut. 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Bookmarked for future reference.
33 posted on 05/22/2003 7:25:12 AM PDT by The Bard
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To: drstevej
Steve:"This ought to bring Illbay back from wherever he has been."

Illbay has been baned from posting on F.R.


34 posted on 05/22/2003 7:39:26 AM PDT by rising tide
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To: rising tide
***Illbay has been baned from posting on F.R.***

It said banned or suspended. Do you know for sure it was banned rather than suspended?
35 posted on 05/22/2003 7:42:51 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
That's not *my* quote. I was just quoting the article. Thanks for the link. Will check it out.
36 posted on 05/22/2003 8:51:33 AM PDT by 1 spark
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To: 1 spark; ET(end tyranny); drstevej
"...But what they don’t know is that they are being used by the Jesuits to rebuild their own Temple, that they would love to have rebuilt, for the Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the Anti-Christ of the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That’s what I see coming for Israel..."

What happens to the efficacy of this particular conspiracy theory, if one removes the underlying pretrib/premil eschatology and worldview?

37 posted on 05/22/2003 10:27:49 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: drstevej
He has been banned not suspended.
38 posted on 05/22/2003 12:33:15 PM PDT by rising tide
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To: rising tide
Thanks for the information.
39 posted on 05/22/2003 12:39:15 PM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: The Bard
Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest and a Bishop in the old Roman Catholic Institution

Alberto Rivera was a fraud. He was never a Catholic bishop, never a Jesuit, and never a priest. He may have attended a seminary at one point, but that's it.

I'll grant you that he was a real person, and probably a practicing Catholic layman at some point.

Christianity Today, an evangelical magazine, completely debunked Rivera's story a few years ago. He's a phony, and his claims are lies.

40 posted on 05/22/2003 1:08:32 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
Christianity Today, an evangelical magazine, completely debunked Rivera's story a few years ago. He's a phony, and his claims are lies.

I had wondered as much. Rivera's role as an informant/witness reminded me unconfortably of former Christian author and comedian Mike Warnke. Warnke claimed to be a converted Satanist in his book The Satan Seller, but was ultimately outed as merely an opportunist who concocted his tale for profit.

41 posted on 05/22/2003 3:09:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Campion; Alex Murphy
In defense of Alberto Rivera go to:

http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/updates/critics/critics.htm

Sorry, but I haven't learned linking yet. You'll have to copy/paste.

42 posted on 05/22/2003 3:46:11 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
OK, this is my first attempt at a link. I'll try the address from post 42 above.

In defense of Alberto Rivera

43 posted on 05/22/2003 4:19:19 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
congrats!
44 posted on 05/22/2003 4:22:16 PM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: All
Well, this is a big day for old Ex-Wretch. I finally learned how to make life easier for everyone else by providing a link :)
45 posted on 05/22/2003 4:23:16 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: drstevej
Steve -

Thanks mucho. I wish I could tell you how something this small has made my day! Lord bless ya real good now.

The Linkster (FReeper formerly known as Ex-Wretch)

46 posted on 05/22/2003 4:28:46 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
Link-On, brother!
47 posted on 05/22/2003 4:33:09 PM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: Ex-Wretch
This "defense" consists of

a) slanderous comments, some by devout athiests and some by Christians of various denominations, against the character and nature of the RCC and the Pope (ie "they have every reason to lie"), and
b) positive assumptions and character references about Rivera and Jack Chick (ie "they have no reason to lie").

In other words, the "defense" relies almost exclusively on the same tactics the RCC is accused of using, namely character assassination.

48 posted on 05/22/2003 4:45:23 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
"In other words, the "defense" relies almost exclusively on the same tactics the RCC is accused of using, namely character assassination."

Well, I'm all for turning the other cheek. I like few words and letting your yea be yea and your nay/nay. When you say that it contains slander, well, maybe yes. But, slander does not necessarily mean incorrect or untrue. Consider Jesus addressing the religious charlatans of that time (i.e. "you vipers"). They hated Him for it. They were blinded by the devil, the world, the flesh and, were more concerned with how they looked in others eyes than in God's.

49 posted on 05/22/2003 5:04:26 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
You miss my point. This defense of Rivera makes no attempt to refute the RCC claims (that Rivera was no priest), via producing certification papers, photographs, 3rd party personal testimonies etc. Instead, the defense of Rivera consists entirely of attacks upon the character and doctrine of the RCC.

Such accusations against the RCC may (or may not) be true, but they do little to prove or disprove Rivera's case that he really was a priest. And if he wasn't really a priest, his whole conspiracy charge, based on his supposed first-hand knowledge, experience, and access to insider information as a priest, falls completely apart. If his foundational argument (having been a priest) is a lie, who's to say what's built upon it isn't a lie as well? The proof of the conspiracy is founded upon his first-hand knowledge as a former priest. No priest = no proof.

Any defense of Rivera needs to be made for his own credentials, not against those of his opponents.

50 posted on 05/22/2003 9:04:58 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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