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Criticizing Pope John Paul II
The Wanderer Press ^ | May 10, 2003 | JOHN YOUNG

Posted on 06/06/2003 12:25:21 PM PDT by NYer

  Criticizing Pope John Paul II

By JOHN YOUNG

  That Pope John Paul II should get a barrage of criticism from modernists is only to be expected. But he also comes in for unsparing criticism from so-called traditionalists; and that is what I want to discuss here.

  It is not that they recognize his great achievements, but think that an occasional statement or practical decision is wrong. The people I am referring to seem to go through papal statements in search of errors and scrutinize the Pope’s activities for inappropriate or imprudent actions.

  Here is a man who has fearlessly and devotedly promoted the truth for almost a quarter of a century as Vicar of Christ, who despite illnesses in recent years that would have forced most people into retirement has kept up a pace most fit individuals half his age would find daunting. He draws crowds of millions; he is listened to by young people all over the world. He is today’s great outstanding moral teacher, and seen as such by multitudes, including those of other faiths or none.

  Ignoring all this, the critics I am speaking of look for anything they can regard as a weakness or error, then publicly condemn it. Even if they were right about the matters complained of, they would be wrong in the lack of balance shown. But that lack of balance should alert us to the bias with which they approach John Paul, and warn us that their alleged statements of fact may be nothing of the sort.

  Take criticisms of the gathering of religions at Assisi, organized by the Pope. Horror is expressed at his alleged encouragement of Hindus, Buddhists, and others to pray to pagan gods. But that is not what he did. Certainly he encouraged them to pray. God is open to all sincere prayer, even though those praying may have confused and erroneous notions of who God is. Nor did the Pope join in prayer with them, as is sometimes insinuated. The groups prayed separately.

  John Paul is also charged with contradicting his Predecessors on the place of St. Thomas Aquinas’ philosophy. He is supposed to have implied, in his encyclical Faith and Reason (n. 49), that the Church has no preferred philosophy. This would contradict previous Popes, including Pius XI’s statement in Studiorum Ducem, that "as innumerable documents of every kind attest, the Church has adopted his [St.
Thomas’] philosophy as her own" (AAS 15 [1923], 314).

  In fact, John Paul’s sentence is badly translated in the English version of Faith and Reason. The encyclical highly praises St. Thomas in several places, including an endorsement of Leo XIII’s "insistence upon the incomparable value of the philosophy of St. Thomas" (n. 57).

  The Pope is also taken to task for saying, in his general audience of July 28, 1999, that Hell is not a place. But what he actually said is that Hell is "more than a place." (This is pointed out in a "Faith Fact" published by Catholics United for the Faith, and quoted by James Drummey in his Wanderer column, Catholic Replies.) The English translation of the Pope’s address rendered the Italian as "rather than a place," instead of the accurate "more than a place."

  Even had he said it is not a place, surely he should be understood to be highlighting what it is essentially (and the same applies to his similar remarks about Heaven). Instead the carping critics seize on sentences without regard for the context, don’t trouble to check the original, then complain that the Pope is wrong.

  What is the right approach if the Pope seems to be wrong? Well, first one must get the facts straight. In the case of a happening, such as the Assisi meetings of religions, what did he actually do and say? What was the intention of the gathering? Regarding statements that seem inaccurate, is the fault in the translation? Does the context throw light on the meaning?

  Secondly, a clear distinction must be made between doctrine and practices. The influence of the Holy Spirit in preventing the Pope from teaching error in faith or morals is in a different category from the help given him in practical decisions. There is no guarantee that he will act in the best way when dealing with administrative matters or in practical decisions relating to ecumenical activities or in dealing with dissident theologians. In these areas mistakes may occur due to inadequate information, personal psychological weaknesses of the Pope, and other causes.

  A good example, in my opinion, is the way Paul VI handled (or failed to handle) the controversy about contraception. There was never any possibility of the traditional doctrine being reversed, yet Paul VI took several years to make his definitive statement, and in the meantime left the impression that a change might be imminent. After his clear and beautiful teaching in Humanae Vitae, he rarely referred to the matter again in the remaining ten years of his pontificate, and failed to act decisively against the multitude of dissenters who rebelled against him.

  Should we, then, feel free to criticize the Pope in his practical procedures regarding such things as ecumenical approaches or tolerance of unorthodox theologians? While these matters are clearly in a different category from teachings on faith and morals, and don’t require the same allegiance from us, there is need for great caution before disagreeing.

  A point to remember (and which so-called traditionalists often ignore) is that John Paul may be right and his Predecessors wrong on a particular issue of this kind. Also, practical measures that worked in the past may not be effective now because of changed circumstances or a change in the general outlook. Perhaps this would apply in the question of whether the Church should have an index of banned books; possibly it was prudent in the past but would be so blatantly flouted today that it would do more harm than good.

  Several factors need to be kept in mind if we are inclined to think we are right and John Paul II is wrong. One is his vast knowledge, derived from a lifetime of varied experiences, including years under Nazism and then Marxism. As Pope he has met and talked to more people, and of more diverse views, than almost anyone else on earth. He has better sources of information than we have.

  A second consideration is his evident holiness. While we can’t see into another person’s soul, there is every indication that John Paul is a saint. The spiritual insight of a saint, endowed as he is with supernatural virtue in a high degree and with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, gives him a prudence and wisdom far exceeding what most of us are capable of.

  Also, he has the grace of state proper to his high office as Vicar of Christ. This is a divine help appropriate to his vocation. We can be confident, in view of his holiness, that he will not resist that grace.

  Putting all that together — almost unparalleled experience, saintly wisdom, a ready response to the grace of state offered him by God — we should be extremely reluctant to suppose we know better than he does what Christ wants for His Church.

  There is also the need for us to avoid scandal. Those who complain about the alleged scandal given by the Pope with the Assisi gathering of religions should ask themselves whether they give scandal with their readiness to condemn his actions. Will this stance lead other people to question papal authority? Will it tend to make them skeptical about pronouncements from Rome? Will it encourage them to see Vatican II as a major disaster? Will it weaken the allegiance of young people to the Church?

  Finally, the critics I am speaking of should ask themselves whether they, not the Pope, have a warped view. It is so easy for justified concern about the aberrations in Catholic affairs to cause an overreaction, with suspicion of quite legitimate changes. It must never be forgotten that Satan, who loves to provoke division, can appear as an angel of light and lead us astray.

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  (John Young is a graduate of the Aquinas Academy in Sydney, Australia, and has taught philosophy at the Vincentian Seminary in Eastwood, Australia. He is a frequent contributor to The Wanderer on theological issues.)

 


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To: exodus
If that were the case, one who denied God in this life wouldn't have to wait to die, he would be in Hell right now, on Earth, because of his denial of God.

You may not have experienced this, but I have.

While I've never "denied God," I've certainly had ebbs in my relationship with God. And, when I did, I sought refuge in drink, in spending money, in "noise." I couldn't stand to be alone with myself, or to endure silence. All the while, I knew exactly what was happening, and I was saying "no."

One of the best books I've ever read is "The Hound of Heaven," by Francis Thompson. It details how Christ pursues us, in every facet and corner of our lives, until He forces us to confront Him.

"Yes" or "No" is a decision we're constantly making, not only with God, but with our wives, our children, our work, our involvement with causes outside ourselves.

Often, like St. Paul, the very thing we would not want to do, we do, and we don't do the thing we should.

And we're miserable afterwards. It's hellish.

21 posted on 06/06/2003 5:33:40 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
**Christ pursues us, in every facet and corner of our lives, until He forces us to confront Him.**

This has happened to me.

(And I am sitting here feeling guilty because I didn't go over to church for the last hour of Adoration.


22 posted on 06/06/2003 5:39:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
You will be denounced as having quoted false statistics.
23 posted on 06/06/2003 6:20:14 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: NYer
On April 3, 2000 the Holy See released an annual statistical summary of the world's Catholic population. It shows an increase in the number of Catholics globally, with a slightly higher growth rate than in the overall world population.

The number of Catholics here on earth is a non-issue. The number of Catholics who make it to Heaven is what matters.

There are many people who respond to pollsters as Catholics who haven't stepped foot in a Church in years. The numbers are meaningless.

24 posted on 06/06/2003 6:20:46 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: NYer
Somebody writes most of his addresses--who? who knows?

But I do recall an incident--perhaps on one of his trips to America, where he was reading the address in English and came upon a mis-statement. He actually went back and corrected the sentence 'on the fly.'

Smart dude.
25 posted on 06/06/2003 6:25:07 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: exodus
Seems simple to me. The soul is not physical. Thus, "place" must be a metaphysical state.

One is either (finally) with or not-with God. Thus one's place is either in Heaven or not.

After the resurrection of the body (hasn't happened yet) Hell will be a "place." In the meantime, it's a state of being.
26 posted on 06/06/2003 6:27:37 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
Stop making sense.
27 posted on 06/06/2003 6:33:09 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: NYer
Shall we bring out the letters of Bishop Williamson who can't hold a candle to the light emanating from Pope John Paul II.

Let's compare Bishop Williamson to:

Cardinal Bernadin (homosexual), Bishop Loverde (covers for homosexual priests), Bishop Ryan (homosexual and still administering the Sacraments - thanks to Cardinal George), Cardinal Law (covers for homosexual rapists who happen to be Catholic priests), Bishop Curlin (covers for homosexuals priests and teachers and lies about it); Cardinal Mahoney (the list is too long - but look at his new cathedral for starters); Bishop O'Brien (covers for homosexual rapists who happen to be Catholic priests and then lies about it); Bishop Grahmann (covers up for homosexual rapists who happen to be Catholic priests); Bishop Murphy (covers for homosexual rapists who happen to be Catholic priests); Archbishop Elden Curtiss (covers for homosexual rapists who happen to be Catholic priests).

Who is in charge of all of the 'men' listed above?

Please, bring out the letters of Bishop Williamson and let's compare notes.

28 posted on 06/06/2003 6:41:46 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: sinkspur
I couldn't stand to be alone with myself, or to endure silence.

Ah, thus your devotion to the clamor and commotion of the Novus Ordo.

29 posted on 06/06/2003 6:45:10 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: Salvation
I truly believe it is spiritual. Total wailing to see the face of God and not being able to.

Where's Satan in all of this?

30 posted on 06/06/2003 6:48:28 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: huskyboy
It would be a lot easier if these folks from the Wanderer as well as like-minded people would rise up and say "enough!" to modernism and "enough!" to innovation and novelty. Nothing good came of it, so it should be dumped.

Very well said.

31 posted on 06/06/2003 6:55:24 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: Aloysius
Let's compare Bishop Williamson to

No can do, pal. Bishop Williamson was dragged out the other day as a comparison to the pope, since the SSPX don't have one. If you are going to do an apples to apples comparison, then we will have to agree to what constitutes valid comparisons. I'll put forth Cardinal Arinze or Ratzinger .. who do you want to submit?

33 posted on 06/06/2003 7:29:43 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: NYer
No can do, pal. Bishop Williamson was dragged out the other day as a comparison to the pope, since the SSPX don't have one.

Not sure what you are referencing since the SSPX recognizes Pope John Paul II as the Bishop of Rome and the Vicar of Christ.

The clergy of the SSPX are grounded enough to realize that, like all other men, the Pope make mistakes. The fan club, on the other hand, can't handle the fact that John Paul II is actually human. When his faults are pointed out (and they should be because he has millions of souls whose salvation depends upon his guidance and leadership) the fan club goes off the deep end.

ANYONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THE POPE IS ABOVE CRITICISM, SHOULD NEVER CRITICIZE A BISHOP BEAUSE THE POPE APPOINTS THE BISHOPS AND HE IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS!

WHERE DOES THE BUCK STOP IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?

34 posted on 06/06/2003 7:44:57 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: sandyeggo
Well, that was rude.

But was it true?

35 posted on 06/06/2003 7:47:19 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: ultima ratio; TradicalRC; huskyboy; sinkspur; Tantumergo; american colleen; NYer
A post from a friend on another forum. I was trying (unsucessfully) to explain some of the trad concerns to her. I'll pass your comments back to her if you like.

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OK, so our "dogma" has changed because we now say Mass in English? Did our "dogma" change when Christian people primarily spoke Greek instead of Aramaic? Did the dogma change again when Mass was universally said in Latin instead of Greek and other vernacular languages?

There is the Oral Tradition (capital T) which is part of the deposit of faith left to us by the Apostles and, along with the Written Tradition (the Bible) consitutes the Word of God.

Then there is tradition (small t) which is the things we do that we are used to doing which pass certain ancestral norms down from generation to generation (and of course this exists in the secular world too).

It seems like a lot of people got "used" to Mass being said a certain way ie: in Latin, priest not facing the people, women with their heads covered, etc. and those are small 't' traditions - just norms, customs. People felt comfortable with them and when the Church went to make some changes to them (which the Chuch is well within Her rights to do), people start acting like the Church is making changes to the deposit of faith left to us by the apostles (the capital 'T' Tradition).

Look, the apostles didn't say that Mass had to be said in Latin with the priest facing away, etc. None of that is "Sacred Tradition". It's just tradition/customs which people got used to and liked. Some people just DO NOT like change. The Church has the authority, given to Her by Christ, to establish disciplines (the 'binding and loosing' that Jesus referred to) as She feels is in the best interest of the flock. It seems to me like what these people really have is an 'authority' issue. They need to remember who is and who is NOT the Magesterium and work on being a little more obedient and a little less critical.

I am already feeling annoyed with them and I don't even KNOW any of them - never have come across any in my life-time so far!!

36 posted on 06/06/2003 7:52:45 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
People felt comfortable with them and when the Church went to make some changes to them (which the Chuch is well within Her rights to do), people start acting like the Church is making changes to the deposit of faith left to us by the apostles (the capital 'T' Tradition).

Incorrect. The 'Church' changing the very words that Christ spoke to mislead the faithful is trying to change capital 'T' Tradition.

If you change enough of the little 't' tradition, you will lead the faithful to doubt the capital 'T' tradition, which is where we are now.

38 posted on 06/06/2003 8:06:31 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: ELS; NYer; Ippolita; Maximilian
Hell is the non-state of ontological nullity, the "place" from which the omnipresent God is absent. The Holy Father's attempting to recall the faithful to a concept of Ecclesia as existential, a communion of persons whose existence derives from their participation in God's transcendant Be-ing. Hell is existential suicide, the consequence of the abuse of free will in choosing to reject God. To reject what exists transcendentally with the force of irresistible Truth is to choose what's false -- what "is not". Those who align themselves with what "is not" pronounce sentence on themselves; to them, Jesus as Judge will simply say "thy will be done."
39 posted on 06/06/2003 8:08:29 PM PDT by Romulus
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