SEER FROM CHURCH-APPROVED SITE CLAIMS CHRIST IS PREPARING FOR A MANIFESTATION [End Times Alert]

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[Aliska]

God usually does choose normal peasants like the children at Fatima and Juan Diego at Guadalupe.

Not to reveal to them the hidden sins and secrets of other souls. The closest they got to that at Fatima was the girl who had died and speculation as to long she would be in purgatory. If I remember correctly, the answer was that the girl would be there untl the end of time.

[Aliska]

Yes, I've read just about every article on that site. The little booklet I quoted in a previous post I ordered from there.

[It's me]

I have come to believe that Guadalupe is a gigantic hoax...

YIKES!!! a hoax?

Please go back and read about Our Lady of Guadalupe. I hope you change your mind and see what She has done.

[Salvation]

Thanks for that reference. Worth looking into, that's for sure.

[TotusTuus]

Your attitude is not necessarily all that bad. As you pointed out and understand, these are private revelations we are talking about. St. Paul tells us in Scripture to "test the spirits". Always and everywhere we are all to stick to the 'deposit of the Faith' contained in Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition as guided by the Magisterium of the Church. All private revelations must square with this.

Having said this, concerning Lourdes, Fatima, and Guadalupe, it is the message that we should primarily be focused on. The miracles are merely confirmation of the messages. Lourdes and Fatima seem to be calling Christians to do what they are supposed to be doing already - but are not. That is prayer, fasting, sacrifice, etc. Guadalupe appeared to be of Divine origen in converting a pagan people to the Gospel. I don't think that St. Juan Diego's existence is questioned by objective and serious people.

While revelations of this sort can be, and are, distorted for a variety of reasons by a variety of people, looking at each event objectively seems to suggest a valid concern on the part of the Mother of God for her children here on earth.

As one example, look at Fatima. Lucia claimed that the Lady said that errors would stem from Russia and affect many countries. Russia? Really? You mean that country which can't even feed it's own population? Russia? Last nation in Europe to free it's serfdom? Most illiterate country in Europe? Russia?

The children were made the laughing stock of the government and press in newly minted "scientific" Portugal and other Western nations. In 1917 the revolution in Russia was just beginning in seminal form as these predictions came out. Nobody could have guessed that they would lead to the atheistic state of the USSR and the Iron Curtain - but they did!

Nothing I've seen suggests they were hoaxes.

[Aliska]

I read several books about it. Later I found out the priest who was curator of the place came to not believe in it himself. He was relieved of his duties. I need to get a copy of his book when I get around to it.

I don't believe in it any more. Even if it is partly true, it inspires fanaticism which is not for me.

[Salvation]

** We have no idea whether these experiences are meant for Maria alone, symbolic and solely applicable to her life or meant for the world at large. I lean towards the former if they are of a legitimate source.**

Wisely spoken.

[oceanperch]

bookmarked and e mailed to self.

I love the size of the font this article was posted in.

[Salvation]

**just stick with Apostolic and Scriptural Christian belief.**

Can't go wrong here.

It was an interesting article. As I stated above, my flame suit is donned and in good working order. LOL!

[Aliska]

I didn't say I believed Fatima and Lourdes were hoaxes. I concede that the revelations were right on about Russia, except that Russia has not converted and is not likely to convert in the foreseeable future. Even so, there are things about the messages that don't seem to lead people closer to Christ which the Mother of God would be expected to do. People are being led to trust solely in the Mother of God and keep going around in circles spiritually and on to the next apparition. I do not believe the real Mother of God would do that. There were theologians who had trouble with some elements of the messages.

It was a lot easier when I blindly believed in all these things, which I did.

[Salvation]

**anti-Christ and I had a vision of a guy who looked just like Bill Clinton.**

This thought had crossed my mind more than once!

[Salvation]

**Gender and the priesthood have never been a prerequiste for gifts of the Holy Spirit.**

Which we received at Confirmation. Both female and male recive this sacrament!

[Salvation]

**but I have a tape from a few years back and all the things she said were going to happen in 2000, didn't.**

Thanks for this new information.

[Salvation]

** find a suitable and experienced mentor. **

More wisdom! And coming from a woman too! LOL!

[TotusTuus]

It was a lot easier when I blindly believed in all these things, which I did.

There's the whole problem in a nutshell! Blind faith is no Faith at all! Listen, just stick with the Magisterium and you'll be fine. If you truly have a problem with certain purported apparitions, then who am I to judge you? Drop them. Forget them. Their only use is if they can strengthen the Faith received by the Church through Christ via the Apostles. If they are not doing that for you, you are not obligated to believe them. It is the public revelation from the Apostles that the deposit of Faith contains that we are all obligated to believe that matters first and foremost!

[Salvation]

Thanks.

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/FalseApparitions.html

[Aliska]

There's the whole problem in a nutshell! Blind faith is no Faith at all! Listen, just stick with the Magisterium and you'll be fine. If you truly have a problem with certain purported apparitions, then who am I to judge you? Drop them. Forget them. Their only use is if they can strengthen the Faith received by the Church through Christ via the Apostles. If they are not doing that for you, you are not obligated to believe them. It is the public revelation from the Apostles that the deposit of Faith contains that we are all obligated to believe that matters first and foremost!

Amen. Well said. That's where it's at for me now.

[Polycarp]

Please do net take offense at my post. Just to emphasize again, "...mine was simply vain curiosity. It was driving me nutz. That is not an indictment of ANYONE else nor of the supposed seers."

[holyh2o]

Anything is possible with God, it is obvious man doesn't understand very much about His teachings, a turn from what we believe is very possible, God's will be done.

Come Lord!!!

[Starwind]

I would like to be added to your end times ping list, please.

Thank you