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Archbishop choice seen as imminent: Pittsburgh's bishop called top candidate
Boston Globe ^ | June 8, 2003 | Walter V. Robinson and Michael Rezendes

Posted on 06/08/2003 8:35:52 AM PDT by tridentine

The appointment of Boston's new archbishop is imminent, according to knowledgeable church officials, who said that Bishop Richard G. Lennon knows he is about to be replaced and the archdiocese has already identified at least three sites that may be used for the announcement.

In interviews last week, church officials said they believe that Pope John Paul II's choice to head the most troubled of American archdioceses is likely to be made public this month, with this Tuesday the earliest possible date.

And some church officials privy to internal discussions said they now believe that -- even if the decision has not been finalized -- the most likely choice is Bishop Donald W. Wuerl of Pittsburgh.

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1 posted on 06/08/2003 8:35:53 AM PDT by tridentine
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To: tridentine
** the most troubled of American archdioceses**

Boston for now

LosAngeles coming
2 posted on 06/08/2003 8:39:28 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
I can think of a few dioceses that are probably in trouble. I find it stunning that Mahoney is still in charge in LA and hasn't been sacked considering some of the things he said. Three friends of mine and myself were driving down Friday for a Latin Mass in downtown Chicago, and we couldn't help but talk about Mahoney as an enemy of the Tridetine, but also an enemy of basic Church teaching. Boston might be a troubled diocese, but LA is run by someone of questionable merits. God Bless
3 posted on 06/08/2003 8:56:12 AM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC; Polycarp; NYer
**I can think of a few dioceses that are probably in trouble.**

Altoona-Johnstown
Albany
Dallas
Phoenix
L. A.


Others you would add?
4 posted on 06/08/2003 9:02:19 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alberta's Child; Aloysius; AniGrrl; Antoninus; Bellarmine; BlackElk; Canticle_of_Deborah; Dajjal; ..
PING
5 posted on 06/08/2003 9:03:33 AM PDT by Loyalist (Keeper of the Schismatic Orc Ping List. Freepmail me if you want on or off it.)
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To: Salvation; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
**I can think of a few dioceses that are probably in trouble.**

Altoona-Johnstown

The frightening thing is that Bishop Adamec of Altoona-Johnstown is the senior PA bishop, and is rumored to be in line to take over Pittsburgh!

6 posted on 06/08/2003 10:06:23 AM PDT by Polycarp (Free Republic: Where Apatheism meets "Conservatism.")
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To: Polycarp
The frightening thing is that Bishop Adamec of Altoona-Johnstown is the senior PA bishop, and is rumored to be in line to take over Pittsburgh!


7 posted on 06/08/2003 10:20:08 AM PDT by Petronski (I"m not always cranky.)
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To: Salvation
Chicago
Milwaukee
Peoria
BOTH in Kentucky
8 posted on 06/08/2003 10:27:14 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: Polycarp
It's only frightening if you are in Pittsburgh.
9 posted on 06/08/2003 10:27:51 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: Salvation
Boston for now

LosAngeles coming

...and Phoenix on deck...

10 posted on 06/08/2003 11:45:34 AM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: NWU Army ROTC; Salvation
I'm at the point where I don't think anyone has the guts to remove Mahony. He reminds me of Gray Davis. He probably has so many people blackmailed and vulnerable that they are more afraid of him than loyal to whoever requests his removal.
11 posted on 06/08/2003 12:08:55 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Polycarp
Whatever you do, don't panic.

I hope Boston gets O'Brien of the Armed Services actually. He'd be very good for them. But there aren't very many willing to take the armed services spot and he volunteered for it.

It will be interesting.
12 posted on 06/08/2003 12:21:47 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
There's something to what you say about Mahoney. He'll probably be buried under his temple. then it can be demolished.

Los Angeles is going to be a disaster when it finally explodes.
13 posted on 06/08/2003 12:23:36 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: ninenot
Archbishop Dolan is a huge improvement, in my humble opinion.
14 posted on 06/08/2003 1:44:55 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: ninenot
Milwaukee
Peoria

I'm surprised you listed these two. My understanding was that you're very happy with the new bishop of Milwaukee. Is this incorrect? Or maybe the problems run deeper than the bishop? Peoria had the good bishop who is now in Newark, right? So is the new guy bad? But you'd hope that Myers would have straightened out the diocese to some extent while he was there.

15 posted on 06/08/2003 1:58:06 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
But you'd hope that Myers would have straightened out the diocese to some extent while he was there.

Three abusive priests were fired by the new man after Myers left.

Also, I read or heard that Myers just built himself a brand new $600,000 residence.

Why are representatives of the One who had nowhere to lay His Head still living like royalty? My own bishop lives in a rented house and can put everything he owns in the trunk of his car.

16 posted on 06/08/2003 2:04:14 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Three abusive priests were fired by the new man after Myers left.
Also, I read or heard that Myers just built himself a brand new $600,000 residence.

This is disappointing. I have been accepting it on faith that Myers is one of the good guys. Regarding the $600,000 house, are you sure you're not thinking about the new bishop on Long Island? That was certainly a scandal where he sold the moderate-size suburban home and spent millions to kick some nuns out of a huge old convent and convert it into a episcopal palace complete with temperature-controlled wine cellar, jacuzzi, etc.

17 posted on 06/08/2003 2:09:44 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Regarding the $600,000 house, are you sure you're not thinking about the new bishop on Long Island? That was certainly a scandal where he sold the moderate-size suburban home and spent millions to kick some nuns out of a huge old convent and convert it into a episcopal palace complete with temperature-controlled wine cellar, jacuzzi, etc.

That's Bishop Murphy, and Bill O'Reilly took off after him last Wednesday. As I recall, O'Reilly said the renovation cost well over a million dollars. And, he mentioned that Archbishop Myers had spent $600,000 on a new house (but I've read about that somewhere else, too).

It's a pretty fair gauge of a cleric to look at what he spends on himself. I knew an old Monsignor back in the '70s in North Dallas who spent parish money at the race track (and he had to travel to these racetracks because there weren't any in Texas at the time). If he won anything, he'd split the winnings with the parish!

18 posted on 06/08/2003 2:32:24 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Salvation
Arlington, Virginia
19 posted on 06/08/2003 3:37:28 PM PDT by Savonarola
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To: sinkspur
"brand new $600,000 residence"

$600,000 doesn't go that far in northern NJ.
20 posted on 06/08/2003 4:28:51 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: sinkspur; Maximilian
"Three abusive priests were fired by the new man after Myers left."

I'm really getting tired of this, sink. You have before falsely accused Myers and each time I've set the record straight. And each time you do this, you convince me more and more that you are operating with less than honorable motives.

In fact, the actual number of priests who have been withdrawn is around seven. However, with the exception of one case, all of these were instances Myers knew absolutely nothing about, the victims of these priests didn't come forward until AFTER Myers had already left. In the other case, the priest in question made a remark to two young men. Even the young men didn't consider it abuse, but they did tell their parents. When the parents reported it, the priest in question was moved to an administrative position in which, trust me, there was absolutely no way he would come into contact with kids.

I've gone over this with you a number of times. Now I'll speak bluntly -STOP LYING!

21 posted on 06/08/2003 4:41:11 PM PDT by AlguyA
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To: NWU Army ROTC
No doubt, Dolan's an improvement.

But we haven't finished paying the bills for Weakie. Not by a long shot.
22 posted on 06/08/2003 4:44:03 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: Maximilian
Retract Peoria. Meant Springfield, IL. Sorry.

As to Mke: Bert left a legacy of big problems. We will be paying the piper for many years. The clergy is at least 50% rotten, the nunneries are bastions of feminism, and the laity, by and large, have been re-educated to Methodism.

So it's a problem.
23 posted on 06/08/2003 4:46:11 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: sinkspur
"It's a pretty fair gauge of a cleric to look at what he spends on himself."

Ah, sink, I can just here you berating the women for pouring out all that oil.

24 posted on 06/08/2003 4:46:51 PM PDT by AlguyA
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To: Savonarola
"Arlington, Virginia"

Arlington has had some pretty bad publicity lately. There are also some things going on there that have never made the news.
25 posted on 06/08/2003 4:47:53 PM PDT by k omalley
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To: sinkspur
That "suitcase" living style--it's great. Orthodox Jewish tradition at one time also utilized by the Notre Dame nuns.

BTW, Bertie spent $900K remodeling an old dump on the Sem grounds for himself, which explains why it has a 3-man hot tub and CORYAN (!!!!) counters...
26 posted on 06/08/2003 4:48:01 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: Desdemona
"O'Brien of the Armed Services"

Actually, I'd like to see him in a new post called "Supervisory Archbishop for North America," reporting directly to the excommunication desk at the Vatican.
27 posted on 06/08/2003 5:47:49 PM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: ninenot
A three "man" hot tub?

I can believe that.
28 posted on 06/08/2003 5:48:33 PM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: sinkspur; Maximilian; AlguyA; Domestic Church
I read or heard that Myers just built himself a brand new $600,000 residence.

A minor clarification from the trenches - Myers bought a home for $650,000 and then added an in ground swimming pool. I am sad to say that he has been seen hanging out with pro-choice "Catholic" governor of NJ, Jim McGreevey. I had high hopes for him, but actions speak louder than words...

29 posted on 06/08/2003 6:05:32 PM PDT by ELS
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To: dsc
"Supervisory Abp of N.A., horsehockey.

The new guy should be named "Successor to Torquemada" and have similar tooling in his building.
30 posted on 06/08/2003 6:14:04 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: AlguyA
Ah, sink, I can just here you berating the women for pouring out all that oil.

Mary Magdalen spent the money on Jesus; Myers spent the money on himself.

Conspicuous consumption by Catholic clerics is an embarrassment to all of us.

31 posted on 06/08/2003 6:33:50 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: AlguyA
BTW, I recall that Cardinal John O'Connor lived in the rectory at St. Patrick's Cathedral.

America's top cleric lived like a common parish priest. That should be an example for all clerics.

32 posted on 06/08/2003 6:37:25 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
America's top cleric lived like a common parish priest. That should be an example for all clerics.

Amen to that! I have been in the public part of the rectory at St. Patrick's. It is very nice, but at least O'Connor didn't frivolously spend diocesan funds on a bachelor pad.

33 posted on 06/08/2003 6:56:41 PM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS
Myers bought a home for $650,000 and then added an in ground swimming pool.

Depending on the neighborhood, this could be a very modest home.

I am sad to say that he has been seen hanging out with pro-choice "Catholic" governor of NJ, Jim McGreevey.

This is a very very bad sign. Once they become friendly with the enemy, generally it's all over as far as showing any courage on moral issues. They don't have to go over to the other side to become worthless. They just have to want to stay on good terms with the "powers that be" and they are already as good as corrupted.

34 posted on 06/08/2003 7:35:34 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: k omalley
The Arlington publicly reported news (Washington Post, Washington Times) is bad enough. Isn't Father Haley still out in limbo? What's pending -- liturgy problems or personnel problems, or both??
35 posted on 06/08/2003 8:24:28 PM PDT by Savonarola
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To: Salvation
Rochester, NY
36 posted on 06/08/2003 8:37:14 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: ninenot
"The new guy should be named "Successor to Torquemada" and have similar tooling in his building."

I could live with that.
37 posted on 06/08/2003 8:40:59 PM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: ELS
"and then added an in ground swimming pool"

What does he need a pool at his house for? As an excuse to invite young boys over?
38 posted on 06/08/2003 8:42:30 PM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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I'm really getting tired of this, sink. You have before falsely accused Myers and each time I've set the record straight. And each time you do this, you convince me more and more that you are operating with less than honorable motives.

He has a habit of vehemently denouncing (even to the point of "stretching the truth") any even partially conservative/traditional Catholic leader or opinion-maker who does the least thing which can be construed as wrong and going soft of the AmChurch guys. See, for example, his comments on Michael Rose, who he accused of being a liar before he even read the book. Told me all I needed to know about Mr. Sink.
39 posted on 06/08/2003 8:44:33 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Antoninus; AlguyA
See, for example, his comments on Michael Rose, who he accused of being a liar before he even read the book.

My intuition was correct.

Even after reading the book, Rose comes across as a sloppy journalist who presented one side of a story and made no effort to determine if, in fact, the other side had any merit. This was especially true in the Louvain case.

As for Myers, it strikes me as very coincidental that, within three months of his appointment, the new Bishop (Jurasek)(?) all of sudden discovers three serious abuse cases, that Myers denied any knowledge of. Four others surfaced shortly thereafter.

You may give him the benefit of the doubt if you wish.

40 posted on 06/08/2003 8:58:10 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: dsc
What does he need a pool at his house for? As an excuse to invite young boys over?

Maybe he does laps for exercise, and going to the Y would create even more controversy.

41 posted on 06/08/2003 9:03:13 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Maximilian
Depending on the neighborhood, this could be a very modest home.

While that is certainly true of the suburbs near NYC, the town he purchased this home in is closer to the PA border, which means he got more house for "his" money.

42 posted on 06/08/2003 9:05:10 PM PDT by ELS
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To: sinkspur
**Why are representatives of the One who had nowhere to lay His Head still living like royalty? My own bishop lives in a rented house and can put everything he owns in the trunk of his car.**

Good question! In fact, VERT good question!
43 posted on 06/08/2003 10:35:57 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur
Far as I know, the Y is still a public place. Is using the pool at the Y now considered proof of SSAD?
44 posted on 06/08/2003 10:36:47 PM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: Savonarola
Welcome to FR Religion Forum!
45 posted on 06/08/2003 10:37:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ELS

I find that hard to believe that Abp Myers, one of the most militant Bishops in the US on the issue of abortion is handing out with Gov. McGreevey. As the saying goes, where is the proof, where is the evidence. The rumor mill is not going to cut it. If they were at a function together, what was the context of their meeting. Again, rumors are just that, rumors, without context, or proof, rumors have no meaning. I know for a fact a few months ago, progressive Catholics in the Newark Archdiocese were making compalints that Abp Myers was starting to clamp down on progressives more, and he banned the hymn "sing a new church".
46 posted on 06/08/2003 10:40:45 PM PDT by JNB
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To: ninenot
i>"It's only frightening if you are in Pittsburgh."

Roman Catholics around the world suffer the embarrassment of having bishops and cardinals who choose to mock 1,900 years of sacred tradition in favor of pagan rituals and contemporary immorality. That a reprobate is located in North America or Africa is not relevant.

What is relevant is the passive endorcement the Vatican has provided red robes in two many places.

47 posted on 06/09/2003 2:43:27 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Savonarola
"The Roman Catholic Faithful" website has a lot of documented information about the Arlington diocese. I also had a relative indirectly involved in a particularly sordid incident there. That's as far as I can take it. All of this is a shame because Arlington's reputation as a solid orthodox diocese has been severly tarnished.
48 posted on 06/09/2003 5:58:52 AM PDT by k omalley
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Pray for Ma-phoney's conversion to Catholcism!

The Cardinal mahoney Love Network

49 posted on 06/09/2003 6:18:53 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Salvation; NWU Army ROTC
**I can think of a few dioceses that are probably in trouble.**

Thanks for noting Albany! The bishop's good buddy, Matthew Clark, should be on this list. He has wreckovated so many churches there!

Please add Diocese of Rochester

Given the importance of the Boston archdiocese -- it is the nation's fourth largest -- Boston's new archbishop would expect to become a cardinal

50 posted on 06/09/2003 6:23:34 AM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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