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Lesbianism in the Bible (help)
6/26/03 | me

Posted on 06/26/2003 1:09:25 PM PDT by netmilsmom

I need help from those who know the Bible. Could someone please tell me the exact quote in the Bible against Lesbianism? I am in an argument with my lesbian sister who says she will change her life if I can come up with an exact quote. Help and pray she sees the light.


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1 posted on 06/26/2003 1:09:25 PM PDT by netmilsmom
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To: netmilsmom
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed forever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature" Romans l:24-26.

2 posted on 06/26/2003 1:11:16 PM PDT by New Horizon
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To: netmilsmom
Perhaps a better one:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

3 posted on 06/26/2003 1:12:47 PM PDT by New Horizon
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To: New Horizon; netmilsmom
Ditto that. Plus, it would be good to read the Romans passage in the context of the entire chapter in Romans.
4 posted on 06/26/2003 1:13:22 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
Romans:

1:24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

1:25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

1:26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

1:27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

1:28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

1:29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,

1:30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,

1:31without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

1:32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

5 posted on 06/26/2003 1:24:44 PM PDT by SubSailor
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To: New Horizon; JonathansMommie
Good one!
The biggest problem right now is that she wants lesbianism to be there. The word. I tried to explain to her that just as one would not see the words "internet porn" in the bible, one will not see lesbian. Both are newer terms than biblical times.
Isn't there something in Leviticus about women lying with women being wrong? I have tried to look but cannot find it.
6 posted on 06/26/2003 1:28:39 PM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: SubSailor
Can this be pinged to one of the Christian lists?
7 posted on 06/26/2003 1:30:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: netmilsmom
THE LAW

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

THE CONSEQUENCES OF BREAKING THE LAW

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

8 posted on 06/26/2003 1:30:59 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: netmilsmom
Leviticus 20:27

But it's about men. It seems that lesbians think they can be perverts, and it's ok, because the Bible only forbids men from it.

Sick-o pervs.
9 posted on 06/26/2003 1:35:53 PM PDT by TheJollyRoger (After we re-elect George W. Bush...lets impeach Hitlery!)
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To: netmilsmom
In post #3 - the terms "mankind" and "womankind" are referring to homosexuality. That's probably as close as you're ever gonna get to "gay", or "lesbian" in a 200 year old book.

30 years ago, gay meant "happy", if I recall.

If she can't accept that fact, she doesn't even want to be convinced. You're probably wasting your time.

10 posted on 06/26/2003 1:39:44 PM PDT by New Horizon
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To: New Horizon
Oops...make that a 2000 year old book!
11 posted on 06/26/2003 1:41:46 PM PDT by New Horizon
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To: netmilsmom
The biggest problem right now is that she wants lesbianism to be there. The word. I tried to explain to her that just as one would not see the words "internet porn" in the bible, one will not see lesbian. Both are newer terms than biblical times. Isn't there something in Leviticus about women lying with women being wrong? I have tried to look but cannot find it.

What you said is correct. But she will never see the Truth unless our Lord opens her heart and mind to it. As you see in the Roman verses, God has given them over to their vile affections. Pray and seek the Lord with your whole heart and study His Word so you may be quick to tell others of the reason for the hope you have.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

To God alone be the glory!
By His grace and for His glory!

12 posted on 06/26/2003 1:44:00 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: netmilsmom
This site:

http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/toc.html

Has a lot of discussion about homosexuality in the bible and various interpretations of it.
13 posted on 06/26/2003 1:51:15 PM PDT by Crazy Billionaire
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To: SubSailor
In context, that's a pretty clear denunciation. No wonder the Left hates Paul.
14 posted on 06/26/2003 1:54:25 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: netmilsmom
Another verse which is appropriate is Jude 7:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
"Strange flesh" is (transliterated Greek) porneia. Porneia not only refers to fornication in general, but forbidden sex in particular: homosexuality, bestiality, incest. Others have provided you with plenty of passages that deal with homosexuality. Pay attention here to the use of Sodom and Gommorha as examples, and the duration of punishment (eternal fire).
15 posted on 06/26/2003 1:57:32 PM PDT by the infidel
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To: netmilsmom
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Note: God did not create "Adam and Steve," and He didn't create "Amanda and Eve."

The intent of His creation of Adam and Eve was to make a male and a female who "corresponded" to each other.

Gen 2:20 " The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him." the idea of "suitable" is "one who corresponds to" or "one who helps." In case anyone hasn't noticed, males and females are constructed differently from one another, but they are also constructed in a way that makes them compatible...they correspond to one another. In fact, "man" is truly defined as a "male" and a "female" together. "Man" is only complete, all that God meant for "man" to be when there is a male and female together.

Gen 2:24 " For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh." The "one flesh" means that they are "one" in the eyes of the Creator. God mandated that "man" be fruitful and multiply...and impossibility for Amanda and Eve.

16 posted on 06/26/2003 2:23:48 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: netmilsmom
I doubt that the Wedding At Cana was for two men.
17 posted on 06/26/2003 6:36:12 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: New Horizon
"for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature" Romans l:24-26."

If that's not a clear referencce to women engaging in lesbian behavior, I don't know what is. Demanding that the word "lesbian" be cited is in no way reasonable.

That's not unusual, though. I have found that people who suffer from SSAD are quite willing to be unreasonable in their rationalizations.
18 posted on 06/26/2003 6:55:37 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Hey, my first freep post. I have a feeling this will turn into an addiction. Should I turn back now?

Anyways, there are many references to sexual immorality in the Bible. I can't name scriptures right now, but if you use basic logic you can follow it: The Bible speaks out on several different occasions against "sexual immorality". The Bible also defines sex between a husband and wife as the only "moral" sex there is. So unless your lesbian sister wants to marry a man (which she obviously doesn't,) she can't be in line with the Bible. But then again, neither can any of us in sexual relationships outside of marriage.

But like some others have said, it sounds like a lost cause. Even if there was a passage in the Bible that said "BEING A LESBIAN IS UN-GODLY," she probably would twist it around. Good luck, though.
19 posted on 06/26/2003 9:12:50 PM PDT by cebailey (I think it's a lost cause, but...)
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To: cebailey; All
Don't turn back now but be prewarned that it is an addiction!
Thanks for all your help everyone. Hopefully she will see the light!
20 posted on 06/27/2003 4:33:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: netmilsmom; All
That's exactly how My Mother in law works. If God Himself came down and told her she was commiting a sin she would tell him He's wrong.I think it's safe to say that we are not going to ger her to see the error of her way.Isn't it funny she said she would change her lifestyle if we can come up with a scripture stating it's a sin But She tells us I was born that way Hmmmm very intresting.
21 posted on 06/27/2003 6:04:13 AM PDT by JonathansMommie (How are inlaws different from out laws? Out laws Are wanted!!)
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To: JonathansMommie
Hey, I know you!
22 posted on 06/27/2003 7:03:18 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: netmilsmom
LOL i know you too.. Your the worlds best Aunt in Law
23 posted on 06/27/2003 7:19:52 AM PDT by JonathansMommie (How are inlaws different from out laws? Out laws Are wanted!!)
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To: cebailey
But like some others have said, it sounds like a lost cause.

"I come against THAT in the name of the Lord!"


We are ALL praying for her to 'see the light', before she 'feels the heat'.

And HERE's Why!!


NIV 1 Peter 2:1-11
 1.  Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
 2.  Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation,
 3.  now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
 4.  As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him--
 5.  you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
 6.  For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 7.  Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
 8.  and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.
 9.  But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
 10.  Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
 11.  Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.
 
 
 
Colossians 3:4-8
4.  When Christ, who is your  life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
 5.  Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
 6.  Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.
 7.  You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 
 8.  But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
 
 
 
1 Corinthians 6:9-13
 9.  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
 10.  nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
 11.  And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
 12.  "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.
 13.  "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
 


Take heart with THESE verses....................
 

NIV Matthew 19:25-26
 25.  When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
 26.  Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
 
NIV Luke 1:37
   For nothing is impossible with God."
 
KJV Philippians 4:13
   I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

24 posted on 06/27/2003 3:10:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Any misspellings are caused by a sticky keyboard!! [that darn ol' Coke!])
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To: JonathansMommie
Awwwwww, thanks so much. But you know it is really sad that we must communicate by Freep because I never call you??
25 posted on 06/27/2003 3:40:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: netmilsmom
See Romans 1:26-27.
26 posted on 06/27/2003 3:42:44 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: netmilsmom
But of course. Sheesh some people just don't have a clue.
27 posted on 06/28/2003 5:26:53 AM PDT by JonathansMommie (How are inlaws different from out laws? Out laws Are wanted!!)
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