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To: ThomasMore; oldcodger; LiteKeeper; nobdysfool; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jerry_M; the_doc; CCWoody; ...
Where do the Calvinists stand on this issue? Mom, could you ping your list?

We would stand against any form of same sex marriage , seeing homosexuality as an abomination before God

I will ping for more thoughtful discussion

21 posted on 07/31/2003 8:39:54 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks mom! :^)
23 posted on 07/31/2003 8:48:01 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: RnMomof7
There isn't much more to say - it's sin. No better or worse than any other form of fornication.
24 posted on 07/31/2003 8:49:04 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: RnMomof7
It's strange that Calvanists would be thought to all have a different opinion than Arminians. Calvanism vs Arminianism is a top level doctrinal debate for those who take the bible to be the inspired Word of God. Homo Marriages are a travesty to Christianity and deserve no consideration at all.
28 posted on 07/31/2003 8:56:05 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: RnMomof7
Legal arguments aside, Romans 1 makes it quite clear that homosexual acts are part and parcel of the reprobate, and have no place in either the life of the believer or the body of Christ. Elsewhere, homosexuality is specifically enumerated as a "lust of the flesh", implacably opposed to and incompatible with the fruit of the Holy Spirit. The unrepentent homosexual is almost certainly also an unregenerate man, having no fruit of the Holy Spirit. And a repentent homosexual is a homosexual no longer (unless the "repentence" was in fact empty).

Churches have no business placing the unregenerate into a state of holy matrimony (regardless of whether this state is considered an ordinance or a sacrament). I see a terrific church-state battle developing here-what will happen when the state says that gay marriage is okay, but churches refuse to perform the ceremonies? How long until someone sues?

That's my 4-point inconsistant Calvinist $.02.

42 posted on 07/31/2003 9:24:57 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work; swarming, however, is.)
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To: RnMomof7; ThomasMore; oldcodger; LiteKeeper; CCWoody; OrthodoxPresbyterian; lockeliberty; ...
We would stand against any form of same sex marriage , seeing homosexuality as an abomination before God

We Calvinists have a mixed view on the Governmental issue, but are in absolute agreement on the Moral issue of Homosexuality, and Homosexual unions. So the above statement is correct, but it is not complete.

OrthodoxPresbyterian, CCWoody, and i represent the Libertarian wing of the Reforned faith...put your visions of hedonism and Ayn Rand aside for a minute.... Our wing of Calvinism holds that the State has no business at all regulating marriage, or relationships between conscenting ADULTS. The institution of marriage is a matter that should be exclusively within the sphere of the Church. As such, it is the Church that recognises or refuses to recoginse any given 'relationship' as a marriage. Before one can discuss the legalisation of any relationship as a marriage, the issue of unwarrented state interference into the realm of the Church must be considered...that would even include the issuance of "Marriage Liscenses", which is nothing more than getting state permission to marry!

Although i may be mistaken on the details, i believe that the "Common Law" marriage was an innovation brought about by American Catholics. At a certain time in our history, there was a shortage of Catholic Priests, and Catholic couples who desired Church Marriage could not be accomodated. The result was the declaration of the Common Law marriage, which offered all the legal protections of marriage, until such a time that a circuit Priest could perform the Sacrament...usually with the couple's children in attendance.

46 posted on 07/31/2003 9:38:08 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ("I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum!" -Roddy Piper;)
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To: RnMomof7; ThomasMore; lockeliberty; Gamecock; NYer; Coleus; wideawake
Excluding those few unfortunate human beings who have congenital reproductive system malformations, I believe ALL homosexuality to be a direct result of early childhood sexual abuse.

As such, it is a psychological disorder and needs therapy and spiritual guidance to overcome.

Before adolescence, boys and girls are same-sex oriented. During puberty, hormones kick in and create a "desire" for the opposite sex. If the child has been "sexualized" before puberty, that child will identify future sexuality by that experience. If that sexual experience is with the same sex, it will be more difficult to make the natural transition from same sex to opposite sex after puberty.

But certainly it can be done.

However, when all of society, media and even one's church is saying it's "okay" and "normal" to have homosexual feelings, that young adult is reinforced in their conflicitng attachments, and is more likely to give in to his/her previous experience.

Freud knew this and wrote about it extensively. However, he was vehemently criticized for it by the theosophic majority of his peers. When he relented and changed his diagnosis from "childhood sexual abuse" to "female hysteria" he was welcomed back into the fold.

I use the example of Ellen Degeneras when she was asked by Barbara Walters, "when did you know you were gay?"

After bemoaning the fact that parents wrongly worry she's out to seduce their children, Ellen explained that she first realized she was a lesbian when her nineth grade P.E. teacher seduced her.

Do they even know what they're saying?

You cannot watch your children too closely. Period.

48 posted on 07/31/2003 9:41:12 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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