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To: sitetest; sinkspur; Land of the Irish
*I really, really don't like doing things that will embarrass folks in public. I don't even like to have to say things that will embarrass folks, or otherwise harm them in some way, in private. *

This was O'Malleys Installation Mass. His is coming into a diocese rife with problems and simmering like a cauldron. On Wednesday, he needed to set a tone and he more than accomplished that.

At least one of the abuse victims that accepted his invitation to the mass, had not stepped into a catholic church in 40 years. He was there to "hear" O'Malley's message and find hope. Others, however, chose to remain outside and continue to shout their disdain for what happened under previous bishops.

According to the trads, though, this was an opportunity to draw blood. Confront the politicians in front of family, leaders from other religious groups, sex abuse victims and the pope's representatives.

Did you not listen to O'Malley's homily or were you too focused on the pews, looking to beam a spotlight on Kennedy and Kerry? O'Malley, under pressure from some in the media, released the above statement regarding reception of communion. Kennedy got the message and left. Kerry, undaunted, remained.

As members of the SSPX, why do you even care? You already disagree with the mass O'Malley said, the distribution of communion in the hand, standing for communion. If O'Malley had denied Kerry communion, you would be complaining about some other aspect of this mass. Why did he say the NO mass and not the Tridentine Rite?

Which one of you would like to strike a match and light the kindling under the cauldron in Boston? You watch every move and analyze even the most subtle nuance as an excuse to put him down, along with his predecessors. My prayers go out to this humble servant who insists on wearing his Franciscan robe and sandals. He wasted no time in firing the lawyers hired by Cardinal Law while selecting a different team, ones who are more compassionate. But all you care about is the fact that Kerry received communion.

As Matthew points out in his gospel ...

While he was at table in his house, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat with Jesus and his disciples.

11 The Pharisees saw this and said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?"

12 He heard this and said, "Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do.

You are no better than the Pharisees who watched every move that Christ made and sought to trip him up.

43 posted on 08/02/2003 7:33:04 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: NYer; sitetest; Land of the Irish
According to the trads, though, this was an opportunity to draw blood. Confront the politicians in front of family, leaders from other religious groups, sex abuse victims and the pope's representatives.

Sitetest is not a trad, and I'm certainly not, but I must commend you for the above statement. It is right on target. "Drawing blood" is for the benefit of those who see the blood drawn, and not so much for the bleeder.

You are no better than the Pharisees who watched every move that Christ made and sought to trip him up.

Apropos. There's been way too much emphasis on the disappointment some feel over O'Malley's failure to kick some butt on his special day.

44 posted on 08/02/2003 7:41:03 PM PDT by sinkspur ("The entire Nazi Reich is mine for the taking!" George C. Scott as "PATTON.")
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To: NYer
#8. Your words. "It is simply amazing that you can be so judgemental and still consider yourself a catholic..."

You are no better than the Pharisees who watched every move that Christ made and sought to trip him up

Ahem...

47 posted on 08/02/2003 7:51:41 PM PDT by As you well know...
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To: NYer
Dear NYer,

Many of us who think highly of Archbishop O'Malley, and who wish him well, and believe he will do fine in his new position, are nonetheless disappointed.

The discussion would go little further here if there were not a stout defense of permitting public sinners who endorse radical evil to receive Holy Communion.

"This was O'Malleys Installation Mass. His is coming into a diocese rife with problems and simmering like a cauldron. On Wednesday, he needed to set a tone and he more than accomplished that."

And I understand why he did what he did. But I think it was a serious misjudgement. I think it would have prompted MORE healing as the faithful Catholics of his See would have seen that he was quite serious about all aspects of Catholic life.

"At least one of the abuse victims that accepted his invitation to the mass, had not stepped into a catholic church in 40 years."

I don't think that this person would have not accepted the invitation if Comrade Kerry had been privately told not to approach the Blessed Sacrament.

"According to the trads, though, this was an opportunity to draw blood. Confront the politicians in front of family, leaders from other religious groups, sex abuse victims and the pope's representatives."

Well, I'm not sure that anyone around here would call me a "trad", least of all the trads [trads, your thoughts on this question are welcome], LOL, but to me, it wasn't about "drawing blood".

It COULD HAVE been about saying, "A lot of things are going to change for the better here in Boston, and quick. And this is one of them. We will no longer humor politicians who are bad Catholics, who endorse the murder of millions, we will not longer avert our eyes when they commit sacrilege. If they wish to be Catholic, then now is the time for them to make that choice. If they wish to protect mass murder, then they have made their choice."

But heck, NYer, it wouldn't have ever come to that. Honestly, I don't think it would have been very confrontational at all. The archbishop blinked. If he hadn't blinked, Comrade Kerry would have. I don't think for a moment that Comrade Kerry would have approached if he'd been told he'd have been refused.

"Did you not listen to O'Malley's homily or were you too focused on the pews, looking to beam a spotlight on Kennedy and Kerry?"

I didn't see the Installation Mass at all. I was at work while it happened, and living in the Washington-Baltimore region, it wasn't available on broadcast TV later. I don't get cable. Coverage in the Washington Times was not extensive. I don't read the Washington Post, generally. What I know about it, I read here.

"You are no better than the Pharisees who watched every move that Christ made and sought to trip him up."

I hope that this isn't addressed to me. It is an insult.


sitetest
48 posted on 08/02/2003 7:52:36 PM PDT by sitetest (To permit them to receive is to reinforce the delusion that they may endorse the murder of innocents)
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To: NYer
Did you not listen to O'Malley's homily or were you too focused on the pews, looking to beam a spotlight on Kennedy and Kerry?

I did not have the opportunity of viewing or listening to the installation Mass; I was at work.

In retrospect, I'm glad I missed it.

However, I have read O'Malley's sermon and have been disappointed. I was even more disappointed when I learned Kerry was given Holy Communion.

I am a member of no society.

I do have problems with the Novus Ordo Mass, and thus avoid it when I can. However, I also acknowlege it as valid and lictit and I assist at it on occasion.

Any more questions?

52 posted on 08/02/2003 8:00:47 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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