Posted on 08/07/2003 8:34:50 AM PDT by fishtank
The Word is attacked by the subversive Romanists/Jesuits on the left and the Eastern Establishment, wealthy occultic movers-and-shakers on the right.
Protestants must always remember that a basic reason for the Reformation was that Rome based its liturgy on pictures since they outlawed the reading of the Bible by its follwers. That way men of the church kept control over the people. The result is extravagant cathedrals, incense, crucifixes and even Mel Gibson's movie about Christ's visual suffering without dialogue.
Enter the Reformers like Calvin who translated the Bible so that the faithful could read for themselves God's Holy Word.
Thus Protestants revere The Word, God's gift to those who wouldl hear the truth.
What better way to undermine the opposing Protestants but by diluting, erasing and ignoring God's Word?
The story is all there, for those who choose to read it.
What I've learned from this thread is to question EVERYONE's motives and financing.
Those were my thoughts too.
I had not realized how heavily I depended on it until I need a local business number the other day . I went and sat at the computer to look it up. Then i lol I did not even know if it had a website. I had just "assumed"
LOL , I always chide my fellow Calvinists that we are not allowed to be funny or have a sense of humor. .
If I were you, I would not be so quick to say there are no hyper-Calvinists on FR. There are at least two Calvinist KJVonly types on this thread alone.
Are the Arminians that are KVO also hyper calvinists?:>)
Do you deny common grace? Do you deny the free offer of the gospel? Based on you past posts, I think in all honesty, you would have to say yes to one or both question And your answers to these two simple questions are?
Wow I am amazed you need to ask that??
I believe in general grace given to all men . It is that grace that allows for an orderly society as one example
As for the free offer of the gospel? Have you not read my posts on other threads??
CTD My church sends out kids with tracts, We financially support world 10 or so wide mission . My church runs outreaches to the unchurched and unsaved teens in the area..after every function (bowling or a hockey game etc.) The kids are presented with the gospel.
Just recently there was a teen that committed suicide . A friend knows the family and the kid was never churched and he had no faith. She was heartbroken by the death of this nice kid
When we went to church the Sunday before he was buried , our Pastor prayed for him by name, he commented that the boy had attended a few outreaches their so we know he has hear the gospel . My friend wept because she knew then he knew the gospel and may have been saved in the time he laid in the hospital unconscious
To say that Calvinists do not give the gospel would be a terrible error
Outside of FR, at least three times this past weekend alone. Can't really comment on Wesleyans, but I think Arminian pastors preach Gospel messages on a far more regular basis than most Calvinist pastors. The Arminian pastors I know do not hesitate to mention the consequences of not having Christ as one's Savior.
I think the point is the fruit of ones own salvation.
You said you checked out the web site of the church I attend and commented that you thought it was a good church. It happens to be much more Arminian than Calvinist, but certqinly is not even close to the stereotype some Calvinists have of Arminianism. An who is the judge of good and bad doctrine? Calvinists?
Of course your church has an Arminian bent to it, but it seems a sound place to worship and learn
Now you should know I would think that as a group Calvinists believe that Arminians do not allow God to be sovereign, or to be as sovereign as they allow
We are not shy telling people that :>))
Calvinists do not have a one dimensional faith that asks for emotionally experiences at their church service so they feel good about being a Christian, and then after the service hide the great commission till next week.
Most Arminian churches do not try to manipulate people on an emotional basis. Certainly some do, just as some Calvinists churches are so unfriendly and cold-hearted it could lead a reasonable person to question why anyone would want to be a Christian if you had to act unhappy all the time. NOTICE I SAID SOME, NOT ALL, OR EVEN MOST.
We can agree all in not all without exception:>)
I have never questioned that, nor have I ever questioned or expessed any doubt about the salvation of any Calvinist on these threads; have I?
No but some people are intimidated by people that are firm in their beliefs.
The "they" are Arminians
As an example , you are not a protestant , your church and doctrine did not come out of the reformation . So Methodists and Baptists , Nazarenes or Wesleyans nor Charismatics are not PROTESTants. Their doctrine was a step back to Rome not out of it.
The point I assume is that everyone thinks they have the "truth"
But truth is a funny thing Ctd, there is only one truth not an assortment from which one can pick and choose.
snicker. LOL
| CTD, how about a definition of the attributes of Divine love and justice? |
Every so often the "frozen chosen are allowed to defrost :>)
I knew it wasn't us. But now I am interested in finding out more about these people.
Whether Arminian or Calvinist, the KJVonlyists are wack-jobs.
Now you should know I would think that as a group Calvinists believe that Arminians do not allow God to be sovereign,
This is a stereo-type that no basis in fact for almost all Arminians. I have yet to here a pstor that is Arminian in view point ever question the absolute sovereignty of God.
there is no factual basis for this allegation
The point I assume is that everyone thinks they have the "truth"
You included? Just what leads you to believe you have a monopoly on the truth?
But truth is a funny thing Ctd, there is only one truth not an assortment from which one can pick and choose.
Something is not true just because you say it is.
Point me in the direction of ONE ARMINIAN church that came directly from Rome at the reformation..Just one.Name one that left Rome to protest doctrine..Just one
Then I will list for you the denomination that revolted against the reformation. No "Protest "against Rome only a protest of the reformation and a return to partial Roman doctrine
I don't see how it can be refuted (without jitter-bugging, that is).
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