Arminianism -- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Modern Pelagianism

Response to: Calvinism- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Geneva ^ | August 13, 2003 | OP

[Aggressive Calvinist]

Okay, I read the article. It is filled with lies and odious slander.

Calvin didn't "force" anybody to do anything. The Geneva City Council as a lawful body made decisions.

Calvin did not "boast" of killing Servetus.

Servetus was executed by the civil authorities, and Calvin had zero civil office.

Calvin was not the "Pope of Geneva". A Pope (errr.....that the "Bishop of Rome") is a Romanist convention.

Calvinists believe in Presbyterianism...and there ain't no bishops or funny-hated cardinals in Calvinism.

You can read the article for yourself. It is venemous, and is stinks of the foul spirit of The Adversary.

Cheers.

[Aggressive Calvinist]

oops, I meant "funny HATTED" cardinals.

You know, those peculiar head-dressings like some character in "Mars Attacks"....

Why do they put those funny hats on their heads?...

[drstevej]

***Why do they put those funny hats on their heads?...***

They ran out of tinfoil???

[RnMomof7]

When you do not like the message attack the messenger:>)

[irishtenor]

Thank you. That was a good response.

[connectthedots]

Servetus was executed by the civil authorities, and Calvin had zero civil office.

Yeah, and the Pharises had nothing to do with the crucifixtion of Jesus Christ.

[connectthedots]

Those head-dressings are called Mitres.

[drstevej]

***Those head-dressings are called Mitres. ***

Kinda makes you wonder what a mitre saw is used for.

[Cvengr]

I agree with your concern.

I understand the grace of God to grant us efficacious grace and a common grace, but primarily as a gift for us before we have received salvation. A mechanism to 'kick start' our acceptance of things eternal.

The additional meaning,...for example if one asserts that even after salvation, acceptance of Christ, that any and all thoughts and decisions are only by His mandate, then I can understand that theology to fail in regards to glorifying Him and studies of angels.

[Aggressive Calvinist]

Thanks for the answer.

Now, here's a tougher question. Why do they wear them?

[Aggressive Calvinist]

Actually, you're correct.

If the Jews had killed Christ, they would have stoned him to death as they did St. Stephen. Remember?

Crucifixion was the Romanist form of execution.

The Romans killed the Son of God and blamed it on the Jews. Sweet trick, ain't it?

And Calvin had no authority to execute Servetus.

Cheers

[Cvengr]

"Mitres are the official "hat" of the Bishop worn whenever performing a definitely epsicopal act. Worn when in processions, at confirmations, ordinations, and when giving the blessing. It's shape is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, who descended in the form of tongues of fire to rest on the heads of the apostles on the day of Pentecost."

---from http://www.aheavenlystitch.com/vestments/mitres/

[Aggressive Calvinist]

Okay...thanks. So, they wear them as "symbols" of the Holy Spirit?

It's just wardrobe and theatre, right?

It isn't necessary is it?

Like show business. They do it because they like to dress up. It's kind of fun, but it's not part of dogma, is it?

[Cvengr]

Funny, I relish and thoroughly enjoy worshipping God and studying Scripture, but I haven't found myself immersed in the prosecution and capital punishment of some 55 believers with whom I disagree on theologic issues and I haven't prosecuted another 85 without the death sentance.

When I attempt to place myself in the shoes of such an admired zealot, I find that such an endeavor must surely have taxed such a prosecutor's ability to remian steadfast in his relationship with God so as to avoid any temptation of stepping out of His guidance.

Even more noteworthy is how such an emulated personality as John Calvin found no need whatsoever to assist others around him who might not be of such stout character.

Just think, even though the law of the day mandated the accusor would be placed in custody as a check so that if the accusation was found to be false, the false accusor bore risk for his behavior, John Calvin was able to accuse and convince others to bear that risk for him. What an admirable fellow.

[connectthedots]

You have a problem understanding obvious rhetorical comments?

Being the Biblical scholor you are, do you think Pontius Pilate would have ordered the crucifixtion of Jesus Christ absent the Jews demanding that Christ be crucified? After all, Pilate found no fault with Christ that deserved crucifixtion.

What you fail to understand that ist was both the Jews and the Gentiles that killed Christ. The Jews could not have killed him on their own, and Rome would not havr killed Christ absent the demand that Pilate execute Jesus.

For you to say that Calvin bore no responsibility for the execution of Servetus is very naive or a denial of reality.

[Cvengr]

Perhaps camouflage, so those bishops not so blessed aren't as obvious to onlookers.

[Cvengr]

A few notes on the death of Christ on the Cross.

A good point was raised about a month back in these discussions, (The Passion, I believe). Jesus Christ, Himself relinquished His spirit, soul and hence death on the Cross.

This is an important point of significance.

1) A Perfect Sacrifice was performed.
2) The Jews and the Romans were both guilty of sins against Jesus Christ. They both displayed intention and omission to act when accountable to not attempt to killm falsely accuse, murder, and attack Jesus Christ.
3) Regardless of their intent, which was sinful, they did not possess power stronger than God. The crucifix and the Sacrifice was allowed to occur.
4) Death is a state of separation. Remember that this is not a situation of non-existence. Death doesn't imply nonexistence. When a believer dies now, they are are separate from the body and with the Lord. Prior to the Cross, those believers who died went to Abraham's bosom, inbelievers to the Torments. There are some finer points regarding body, soul and spirit regarding the death of Christ which aren't always discussed regarding salvation.

Simply spoken, Christ's death on the Cross provided a substitutionary atonement for sin, a perfect sacrifice, thereby fulfilling the law with respect to sin. The body returned to the earth for three days, while His Spirit was relinquished to the Father, and He descended.

He was raised up again, resurrectted in the body, and filled with the Spirit, and He communed with many until He ascended.

The fine point of significance I wish to make is that Christ in His Divinity controlled His life. He remained obedient to the Father. Even though others intended His death, they associated His death as a removal of bodily life and an association with nonexistence. A significant point is that no matter what they performed, they didn't cause a separation,....a death,...of Jesus Christ which was so significant.

I recognize that a considerable amount of theology may be rightfully studied and gleaned from a dichotomous understanding of man, but there are some richer aspects within the tricotomous view provided within Scripture.

[irishtenor]

Bad hair days?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Hope you both are safe.

[RnMomof7]

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God was gracious and our power stayed on as did my aged mom across the border

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