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To: Antoninus; Hermann the Cherusker
Of course it goes without saying that if it was not for the sack of Constantinople by the Pope's crusade this battle would not have been necessary.
18 posted on 10/07/2003 10:34:39 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
You had to bring that up didn't you? The Byzantine Empire was in decline years before that. The Muslims were barely driven back from the gates of Constantinople not even a century after Muhammed's death.
19 posted on 10/07/2003 10:44:42 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Destro
Of course it goes without saying that if it was not for the sack of Constantinople by the Pope's crusade this battle would not have been necessary.

The Pope's crusade? He excommunicated them prior to the attack.

Why not look in the mirror to your own Roman Emperor, Alexius IV Angelus, who paid them off to attack the City?

And given the record at Mazinkert and afterwards, and the shoddy treatment of the Emperor by the Romans then, as well as events like the pointless Civil War from 1341-1347, I doubt the East Roman Empire would have lasted to 1571 anyway.

The 4th Crusade did not hasten a Turkish takeover. Fratricidal Civil wars and 14th century warfare between the Serbs and Greeks was sufficient for that, and to allow the Paleologeans to lose all of Asia Minor.

Get off your high horse.

20 posted on 10/07/2003 11:35:02 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Destro
Of course it goes without saying that if it was not for the sack of Constantinople by the Pope's crusade this battle would not have been necessary.

You're lying, of course, by hinting that the Pope had anything to do with the sack of Constantinople in 1204. Indeed, he condemned and lamented it in strong terms. Let's face it, the Greeks had been falling back since 1071 and if not for the Crusades, Constantinople might have fallen to the Turks much earlier than it finally did in 1453. And, I might add, when beseiged in1453, many of the stoutest defenders of the Constantinople were ... Latin Catholics from Venice, Genoa, and Spain.

So take your anti-Papal propaganda and stuff it.
29 posted on 10/10/2003 11:01:53 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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