To: Hermann the Cherusker
Some balance here:
Jesus' Death Now Debated By Jews
...Ken Bandler, a spokesman for the AJCommittee, said the article was taken down to "avoid confusion" over whether it represented the organization's official position.
Indeed, the Catholic Church, which burned copies of the Talmud in the Middle Ages, officially censored the Talmud's Jesus references in the 13th century. Even today the standard Vilna edition of the Talmud omits any discussion about "Yeshu," Jesus in Hebrew.
The Jesus omissions began to be restored in the last century, Bayme said. And the passages "are now included in most of the new printings of the Talmud," said Yisrael Shaw of Daf Yomi Discussions, an on-line Talmud service.
"If you do an Internet search for Sanhedrin 43a, you will find that it is one of the favorite sources of the Christians to use as proof of the Jewish murder and hatred of their god," Shaw said.
Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, whose Talmud edition has been translated into English, Russian and Spanish, said he believed the Talmudic Jesus is probably not the Christian Jesus.
"It could very well be somebody else" who lived 100 or 200 years earlier because the stories don?t match the Gospel account, he said.
Rabbi Steinsaltz noted that the Hebrew name Yeshu was popular back then and that "stories about the resurrection of dead leaders are a dime a dozen, before Jesus and after him. This is not a historical issue."
posted on 10/08/2003 9:54:22 AM PDT
(Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
>> Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, whose Talmud edition has been translated into English, Russian and Spanish, said he believed the Talmudic Jesus is probably not the Christian Jesus.
Mmm-hmm. And why does the Talmud comment on just another sorcerer?
posted on 10/08/2003 11:00:41 AM PDT
Good Morning Malakhi,
Spending the early mrning reading many many posts from Freepers regarding "Jesus" a strong debate that is now ensuing within the Jewish Communites as well as in Christian sects is becoming (It Seems)one of the hottest topic debates around obviously with the upcoming movie regarding "The Passion of Christ"
My question for you is this: I have read your links to the "Talmud" as well as other links to the "Talmud" by other Jewish Scholars as well as a Talmud script from a Jewish Theologian that was pretty herendous, so I omit that one..
What is it in your opinion that gives one Tamud's (The one you posted) version of the crucifixcion of Jesus more creedence than the other?
what bases or scripture are you using.
Also if we agree that Jesus exsisted was born in Judea was a Jew and executed, would you be saying from some of your Talmud links his death is not mentioned because it did not matter? and others with a similar name "Yeshu" would have more credibility in the "Talmud" then Jesus?
Last question: From your Talmud perspective would you say that the name "Yeshu" would be a common name for jews to be executed due to sorcery or practicing magic? and why even mention these jews at all? what importance do they have in the "Talmud"
Thank you for your reply :)
posted on 01/25/2004 8:47:40 AM PST
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