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The Ron Paul Juggernaut
AOL News ^ | 11/6/07 | David Knowles

Posted on 11/07/2007 4:50:56 AM PST by George W. Bush

The Ron Paul Juggernaut



By David Knowles
Nov 6th 2007 8:14AM



This morning, a collective gasp of dismay was heard coming from the Republican party candidates for president. The news? Texas congressman Ron Paul has set a new GOP single-day fundraising record. In a 24-hour period Mr. Paul raised $4.2 Million dollars through on-line donations. The astonishing total suddenly has people wondering: Is this guy for real? Though he may not win the Republican nomination, his candidacy can no longer be written off as "the longest of long shots." He's raising top-tier money, and attracting thousands of new supporters every week, in part due to a strong performance on the Tonight Show (see below). Much to the disdain of the GOP establishment, one thing has become certain about Mr. Paul, he will have an effect on the race.

So how did Paul do it? Who are these hordes of internet supporters that he is reaching? Well, according to Reuters they are all around us. A recent survey found that 80% of adults now regularly use the internet. And many of them are impressed with Paul's candor and consistency. Say what you will about the merits of his positions, but he is nothing if not steadfast in his reasoning.

Greg McNeilly had a good post about Mr. Paul's transparent approach to fundraising and spending, and it underlines a central aspect of the Texas congressman's appeal. With "Dr. No," as Paul is known, you know what you're going to get. He's certainly not a flip-flopper.

As to whether abandoning Iraq and Afghanistan, or abolishing the IRS and the Department of Education are good ideas (never mind whether the latter items have a snowball's chance in hell of passing muster in congress) almost seems beside the point. Mr. Paul has become a symbol of revolt for voters tired of politics as usual. This modern day Guy Fawkes is rising in stature faster than any other candidate. Will he play the role of spoiler? Win the nomination out right? Even become president? Yesterday showed that ignoring Ron Paul (Ron Paul George and Ringo, as i like to call him) is not a smart move.

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Interesting comments reflecting the media's slowly changing attitude toward Ron Paul.

They still want him out and they seem frustrated they can't get the job done and that his fundraising and MeetUps just keep growing. They're pouting because it might ruin their little liberal-vs-liberal Hitlery-vs-Rudy election sham.

1 posted on 11/07/2007 4:50:57 AM PST by George W. Bush
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A "collective gasp of dismay" bump. LOL.
2 posted on 11/07/2007 4:52:31 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

So will Fox News have RP on the debate that may or may not happen in Iowa in Dec?

Thanks for the ping as always. Got an email from the guy who set up the 5th of Nov email thanking for everyone’s support. Another seems to be coming next week and the last push for the 4th quarter in Dec. Know much about it?


3 posted on 11/07/2007 4:57:12 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: George W. Bush

His candidacy has forced two of the three stooges (Julie Annie and Romney) at least to bother to lie about their 2nd amendment stance. The Republican attitudes toward gun owners is “so what if we pas gun control, where else are they going to go?” (I forgot which Republican said that Bush I, Dole?)


4 posted on 11/07/2007 4:59:59 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: George W. Bush

juggernaut n. large heavy motor vehicle; overpowering force or object.

Nope, don’t think so.


5 posted on 11/07/2007 5:07:51 AM PST by Ditter
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To: George W. Bush
As in a hollow force...a paper tiger...Vapor patrol...


6 posted on 11/07/2007 5:20:37 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: George W. Bush

I like Paul, I’d vote for him if I got the chance...but Juggernaut? Let’s get real. The only candidates who’ll ever even get a whiff of the general election have already been bought and paid for by The Powers That Be.


7 posted on 11/07/2007 5:23:58 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: George W. Bush

If he doesn’t get the Repub nomination, his supporters will undoubtedly demand a 3rd party run. This will take votes away from somebody but, just who is the real question.


8 posted on 11/07/2007 5:24:48 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: wolfcreek

RP is a loon. So are his supporters. His backers are people who need to put down the bong. They are too stoned to have even the most remote clue.


9 posted on 11/07/2007 5:47:51 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: Wolfie
I like Paul, I’d vote for him if I got the chance...but Juggernaut?

$4.2M in one day and an army of 60,000 well-connected supporters really can't be ignored in a year wher both parties are looking at their candidates and holding their noses. Especially if the guy raising so much money and with such a groundswell of young people supporting him was someone the libmedia and D.C. political establishment has written off as an also-ran.

Sorry to disagree with you. But it's a Juggernaut all right.

We might very well start to see some endorsements and congressmen and senators moving toward RP's positions. They don't really like him. But they are very political creatures and they see the money and the support and are facing election in a year where the Dims will run against Bush in many states and congressional districts. Many of them have quietly planned to shift to a withdrawal policy in Iraq after their primary to run for the general. But Ron Paul's performance will likely encourage some of them to switch sooner.
10 posted on 11/07/2007 6:02:51 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: wolfcreek
If he doesn’t get the Repub nomination, his supporters will undoubtedly demand a 3rd party run. This will take votes away from somebody but, just who is the real question.

Well, he did promise his wife that he wouldn't run third-party. OTOH, I've noticed how much the Paul family and Mrs. Paul in particular is enjoying the huge outpouring of support and all the enthusiastic young people. So, in the end, she might give him permission or even urge him to run. You know, she's been in much better health since she got that pacemaker installed on the day of the Ames straw poll.

Currently, many Republicans are urging Bloomberg to run to split Hillary's vote in NY/NJ/CT. I don't think he'll fall for it.

However, if they become convinced that Bloomberg won't run (and I think he won't) and that RP could draw more antiwar types in key Dim states to a RP third-party run, they might well urge him to run third-party and pledge $20M-$50M of seed money to help him do it. Naturally, this wouldn't happen unless they actually ponied up all the cash. Ron Paul is crazy, you know. Crazy like a fox.

RP might not be so easy for the Dead Elephant Society to convince though. Playing a spoiler to help the GOP after they've treated him so shamefully and repudiated so much of the GOP platform during the Bush years won't be too appealing to Dr. Paul. And I don't think he'd do it unless he could see the possibility of grabbing the presidency for himself. He's no Pied Piper and thinks a lot of his supporters, especially those young people. He won't spoil all that he's done so far with just some split-the-vote-for-the-GOP maneuver.
11 posted on 11/07/2007 6:13:48 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

Don’t you mean the Ron Paul Juggernut?


12 posted on 11/07/2007 6:14:46 AM PST by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Ditter
The original meaning of "juggernaut" is much more appropriate and frightening, given Ron Paul's suicidal posture of appeasement of Islamofascism, and the cultishness of the Paulistas and other Libertarians:

"It used to be said, apocryphally, that worshipers of Krishna threw themselves under the wheels of the Juggernaut wagon in an access of religious ecstasy, so juggernaut came to be used metaphorically in English for an irresistible crushing force. The British application to large trucks did not become firmly established until the late 1960s."

13 posted on 11/07/2007 6:16:22 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Ditter
Here's another historical note on the origin of the word "juggernaut":

Juggernaut \Jug"ger*naut`\, n. [Skr. jagann[=a]tha lord of the world.] One of the names under which Vishnu, in his incarnation as Krishna, is worshiped by the Hindoos. [Written also Juggernnath, Jaganath, Jaganatha, etc.] Note: The principal seat of the worship of Juggernaut is at P[^u]ri in Orissa. At certain times the idol is drawn from the temple by the multitude, on a high car with sixteen wheels. Formerly, fanatics sometimes threw themselves under the wheels to be crushed as a sacrifice to the god.

14 posted on 11/07/2007 6:21:07 AM PST by hellbender
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To: hellbender

LOL! Excellent, thanks! All I had at hand was my Little Oxford Dictionary.


15 posted on 11/07/2007 6:28:54 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Wolfie
Not sure I could vote for him as POTUS. I REALLY don't like his stance on the WoT. It's a pretty big issue, even if I agree with almost everything else Paul has on his platform.

The WoT is retaliatory. We did nothing to provoke it and yes I've heard a thousand arguments as to why we suck. None of it holds up to scrutiny. Either people like Paul figure out that the war must be fought "over there", or it WILL be fought on our streets and in our Cities. Either way, it will be fought.

I'd rather blow "their" sh*t up rather than having to fight them in downtown Anoka, MN or in Johnsonville, TX.

Duncan is my next choice followed up by Fred. There are no other options for me.

Rudy, Willard, and John are not viable options. And no, I don't give a fart about how "electable" they look to the MSM.

16 posted on 11/07/2007 6:36:17 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

People should just give up this Ron Paul stuff and get behind (Gay) Rudy!


17 posted on 11/07/2007 6:36:40 AM PST by jd777
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To: jd777

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvV-upQVoFs

May I suggest a campaign song for all of you Paulistinians in Paulistine.


18 posted on 11/07/2007 6:45:56 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: George W. Bush

Ron Paul is being set up as the 2008 election’s Ross Perot. Only way Hillary could win is to split the Republican vote since she won’t get 50%. Just like her husband, she’ll coast in wih a low 40%

Wonder how much of Paul’s donations are from Soros and othr Hillary backers?


19 posted on 11/07/2007 6:45:56 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
His backers are people who need to put down the bong. They are too stoned to have even the most remote clue.

I honestly doubt you people even know what a bong looks like.

20 posted on 11/07/2007 6:48:08 AM PST by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Most of his money is coming from people attempting to pull a 5th column on the GOP.

Funny thing is that no-one is falling for it.


21 posted on 11/07/2007 6:49:31 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Okay that’s good, but I want you to watch this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8


22 posted on 11/07/2007 6:51:51 AM PST by jd777
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To: jmc813

  The only thing wrong with this bong is that it has no Ron Paul 08 bumper stickers on it.

23 posted on 11/07/2007 6:52:50 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: jd777

Wow.... Dead sexy, eh?


24 posted on 11/07/2007 6:54:45 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
RP is a loon. So are his supporters

WOW well reasoned argument against Ron Paul. Tell me, have you ever financed a tattoo? Taken a beer to a job interview? climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend you mother's honor?

25 posted on 11/07/2007 7:05:30 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: KosmicKitty; LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Ron Paul is being set up as the 2008 election’s Ross Perot. Only way Hillary could win is to split the Republican vote since she won’t get 50%. Just like her husband, she’ll coast in wih a low 40% Wonder how much of Paul’s donations are from Soros and othr Hillary backers?

Soros' previous maneuvers involved used large numbers of donors at the $2300 level who were overpaid socialist leeches that "worked" for his 501c Lefty non-profits.

The average donor to RP's campaign is at $100 or less. The average for two days ago was 38,000 people donating $100 or more each. And the campaign released figures that only 3% of their donors were maxxed out at $2300, so unlike the donor lists for McCain, Romney, Giuliani, Xlinton, and even Obama to a lesser degree. Admittedly, Obama does have a lot of small donors so you have to give him credit for that, I think.

It's hard to assemble such a picture of a Soros-backed RP moneybomb. And we have very few (maybe none) actual Code Pink and MoveOn leadership types (Soros-paid minions) who are supporting or donating to Ron Paul. They routinely warn all their followers at HuffPost and DailyKo(ook)s to avoid RP despite his antiwar agenda because their pro-socialism agenda is far more important than their fake antiwar agenda which is not principled at all except as an expression of their anti-Americanism. After all, these are hardened Lefties, many of them from the old communist Left in this country, and they actually like American soldiers to die. They aren't all that opposed to war, no matter how many demonstration they hold. Just as the Dim feminists loved to defend the Rapist-In-Chief, these Code Pinkers and MoveOns will make some little fuss if President Hitlery is elected and then stand by silently, waiting to defend her as she conducts military operations around the world, possibly getting the fig leaf of socialist goodness because Hitlery would put our soldiers under U.N. command which would be in keeping with the Left's goal of destroying American sovereignty, making our best and most effective soldiers quit in disgust and move the progress of socialist global government forward, the only thing they like even more than American socialism.

No, despite the fevered parroting of the Soros accusation here at FR, there is no indication whatsoever that Soros is backing Ron Paul as a divider. See my post above on why and how the GOP might try to get RP to run as a spoiler against Hitlery, just as they are currently trying to get Bloomberg to run.

Now if you want to know who is funding and supporting the enemy (Hitlery), look at Rupert Murdoch who is funneling huge money to Hitlery and who's Fox News is a complete free ad from the leftwing mayor and look at the donations of Fox News employees who, as Dr. John Lott has investigated and reproted, are donating to Dim candidates at a rate of over 80% currently.

If you want to look for the real Soros figure and organization in this election year, it's Rupert Murdoch and Fox News who are funding and supporting Hitlery and the Dims with Guiliani as their backup in case she doesn't win. It's disgusting and I won't watch that channel any more until I see them return to what FNC was when it started.
26 posted on 11/07/2007 7:09:47 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
That's a lot of money in one day.

In before the keyword vandals.
27 posted on 11/07/2007 7:13:54 AM PST by mysterio
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To: George W. Bush

Thanks for the ping.

I love the timing of the announcement that Pat Robertson is endorsing Giuliani. If this doesn’t show that Robertson is controlled by the PTB, I don’t know what does. Shows how much Robertson really values the pro-life issue.


28 posted on 11/07/2007 7:16:46 AM PST by Mad-Margaret (Remember I'm a kook, scammer, or troll the next time you want money.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

It’s too bad that fredrepublic now officially endorses commentary like yours.


29 posted on 11/07/2007 7:56:27 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: Nephi

I am sorry, but Ron Paul is an idiot, and people who support his myopic anarchist drug addled anti-Semite world view are complete idiots as well.


30 posted on 11/07/2007 8:04:41 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: KosmicKitty
If Ron Paul runs third party that is where the similarity will end. It isn't that complicated, though. Ross Perot attracted voters who were to mad to vote for Read-my-lips, but didn't want to vote for Clinton.

In this election the likely Republican candidate is Rudy. If it is a contest between Rudy and Hillary and Paul decides to run third party after all, how would that hurt Rudy? Rudy and Hillary would be fighting over the same vote. If the Republican party nominates Rudy, they deserve to lose the election, anyway and Ron Paul has nothing to do with that.

31 posted on 11/07/2007 8:06:40 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: Mad-Margaret
I love the timing of the announcement that Pat Robertson is endorsing Giuliani.

Based on his recent appearances, I think Robertson has gone senile. I'm thinking his endorsement was manufactured by those controlling him behind the scenes. My dad is in a rest home now and Robertson's appearances in the last few years makes me think of a lot of the residents there.

Even a few years back, no way would Robertson have endorse the leftwing mayor. NO WAY.
32 posted on 11/07/2007 8:21:22 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

You’re sorry alright, but that isn’t your only personality flaw, irregardless of what your mother tells you every morning.


33 posted on 11/07/2007 8:25:56 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: Nephi

Don’t talk about his mommy. LOL.


34 posted on 11/07/2007 8:39:06 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
I've bookmarked your response to Lesbian Thespian as one of the clearest statements to date on who is financing whom in this presidential contest. Although I don't watch cable news channels as a general rule, I'll have to ask my wife (an FNN addict) whether they've had John Lott on as a guest recently. I suspect not.

Even the worst laws sometimes have unintended consequences their authors could not foresee. McCain-Finegold-Thompson is no exception. Limiting donations just seemed so right to those jerks at the time it was passed, along with all the required disclosures. Now, it's coming back to bite the establishment candidates whose base was millionaire trial lawyers and Wall Street bankers. Their grass roots had great depth but no width.

Ron Paul has tens of thousands of active backers who are willing to pony up, even if they don't have a lot to give. They are growing in number as other campaigns wither for lack of funds (donors maxed out, maybe?). The new tv ads will no doubt generate more supporters and more contributions.

But I think the current economic mess will be to Ron Paul's benefit also, as he's the only candidate in either party who understands, and talks about, the failure of fiat money to sustain worldwide empires. As the dollar declines and gold and oil prices soar, this could tip the scales and put him into serious contention for the Republican nomination.

35 posted on 11/07/2007 8:42:33 AM PST by logician2u
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To: Nephi

“Since the prefix ir- means ‘not’ (as it does with irrespective), and the suffix -less means ‘without,’ irregardless is a double negative.”

Mental midgetry. Stupid candidate. Stupid supporters.


36 posted on 11/07/2007 9:05:14 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: George W. Bush

You may be right. I haven’t seen Robertson in years. Guess I better take that he-man shake of his off my diet....


37 posted on 11/07/2007 9:05:27 AM PST by Mad-Margaret (Remember I'm a kook, scammer, or troll the next time you want money.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Duuude!


38 posted on 11/07/2007 9:38:38 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: from occupied ga

Don’t even bother. There’s going to be a few Paul bashers who’ll resort to name-calling. They’re not worth the time.


39 posted on 11/07/2007 9:40:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Nephi

If that liberal POS turd Rudy is nominated, then I will write in Paul’s name in the general or hope he runs as a 3rd party candidate.


40 posted on 11/07/2007 9:42:32 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Don’t even bother.

You're probably right. I just don't understand the intensity of the hatred displayed toward Ron Paul and anyone who supports him here. I despise Juli Annie, Romney and McCain but I can give sound reasons starting with their attempts to destroy the first and second amendments and going to their unbridled arrogance in saying that they're something that they're not (like Romney the "lifelong" hunter, and McCain's "road to Damascus" conversion on illegal immigration) thinking that we're too stupid to look at their history.

41 posted on 11/07/2007 9:51:53 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; Nephi
"Since the prefix ir- means ‘not’ (as it does with irrespective), and the suffix -less means ‘without,’ irregardless is a double negative."

Mental midgetry. Stupid candidate. Stupid supporters.


The usage is accepted but disapproved by language purists.

Oxford Dictionary:
ORIGIN early 20th cent.: probably a blend of irrespective and regardless
USAGE Irregardless, with its illogical negative prefix, is widely heard, perhaps arising under the influence of such perfectly correct forms as: irrespective. Irregardless is avoided by careful users of English. Use regardless to mean 'without regard or consideration for' or 'nevertheless': | I go walking every day regardless of season or weather.

42 posted on 11/07/2007 10:13:33 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

Hmmmm..... “Irregardless is avoided by careful users of English”

Feel free to not take care in your use of English. Feel free not to take care in your choice of candidates.

Bless your heart, in the Southern sense of the phrase.


43 posted on 11/07/2007 10:22:29 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Actually, I was pointing out that only language purists would criticize your use of the term and taking a tolerant and moderate position.

I guess to the Paul-haters, when all they have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.
44 posted on 11/07/2007 10:40:22 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: wolfcreek

I think it will be hillary.


45 posted on 11/07/2007 10:41:47 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Those supporters are out there. They will vote. They will make some sort of impact.

We just need to make sure it’s in Conservative’s favor.


46 posted on 11/07/2007 12:47:25 PM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Wolfie

Yea, but I won’t be supporting the gov’t chosen by the “Unseen Hand” if that’s the case!


47 posted on 11/07/2007 12:55:20 PM PST by glide625
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To: George W. Bush

I don’t need all that Oxford dictionary crappola. I make up my own words and use them as I like. Word freakery is just elitist tom foolery!


48 posted on 11/07/2007 1:01:46 PM PST by glide625
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To: George W. Bush

“when all they have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.”

LOL


49 posted on 11/07/2007 1:03:00 PM PST by glide625
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To: glide625
I make up my own words and use them as I like.

Me, too, gadblast it!
50 posted on 11/07/2007 1:24:02 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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