Posted on 11/14/2007 12:41:26 PM PST by jmc813
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is forcing polls to adjust and quickly. A poll released Tuesday by CBS and NY Times shows Paul at 8% in New Hampshire ahead of Fred Thompson and tied with McCain in Iowa.
This follows polls released by the Boston Globe in association with the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, and the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion that also showed Ron Paul passing Fred Thompson in New Hampshire.
“The polls confirm what we already know: Congressman Paul is catching on in the early primary states,” said Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. “His unifying message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is resonating strongly with voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, and we’re rapidly gaining support nationwide.”
The CBS-New York Times poll was conducted November 2-12. On November 5, the Ron Paul campaign brought in a record-breaking $4.2 million online, and an additional $1 million to end the week.
Yesterday John Zogby told Sean Hannity that Ron Paul may embarrass some frontrunners in New Hampshire by getting 15-18% of the vote.
The adjustments by pollsters and pundits polling results regarding Ron Paul raise the issue of whether polls are an inaccurate and lagging indicator of a candidates support. Paul had been sitting at 1-2% for months in media generated polls despite raising considerable funds and drawing large crowds. Paul rallied a crowd of 5,000 in Philadelphia last weekend.
Fox News and the Iowa GOP have decided to use 5% in Iowa or National polls as a bar to exclude candidates from a presidential debate in early December. Visit the USA Daily Forum to discuss this and other issues.
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Who was polled?
This idiot is WORSE than a dumbocrat!
Not sure if this is an approved news source for FR, can’t recall.
But I’ll ping the list.
This race is WIDE open. Vote for the true conservative. Go Hunter.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why New Hampshire has become irrelevant for the GOP nomination; the nutbags and backbenchers do their best in that state.
Neither Iowa nor NH will make any difference for the GOP. South Carolina will tell the tale.
Not Rudy?
Rudy does it for me. If the choice comes down to Rudy or Hillary, I’ll probably stay home.
Totally agree. It irks me that some folks are trying to choose the lesser of two evils and backing someone just because they seem electable and "can beat Hillary".
I'm backing Hunter because he's the best man.
The race is indeed wide open. Go Thompson! And congrats to Dr. Paul and his supporters.
Can someone tell me why Fred Thompson does so horribly in NH?
Hunter is the one candidate that I agree with everything that he says. Here’s hoping that he steps out and gets recognized by the undecided voters.
Voting for Rudy is the same as a vote for Hillary, IMO.
You just answered the question....
NH...
BS too early on any polls anywhere.
“Can someone tell me why Fred Thompson does so horribly in NH?”
Time will tell.
This time around, it looks like FL will tell the tale.
But it is good to see RP rising a bit.
The Ron Paul campaign thus far has been pretty much as grassroots as it gets. It’s hard to dislike that approach, no matter how you feel about the candidate.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1925629/posts
NH is such a tiny place, it is easy for RP to gain traction, but I will say the Paul supporters do really burn the midnight oil on all of this stuff...
#1. Migrants from the South (MA specifically)
#2. Fred hasn't bent over to kiss the collective butts of eveyone at those stupid "town hall" meetings.
I don't think it's midnight oil they are burning....more like the wackey weed.
That too..;)
I think most of Paul’s supporters burn something other than oil...
There's an old apocryphal story about New Hampshire. A reporter asked a potential voter "What do you think about Ricahrd Nixon?" The voter responded "I don't know yet, I only met him 3 times".
Fred hasn't met anyone 3 times.
Because too many Hampsters eat all that maple taffy, maple jelly beans, maple coffee, etc. in New Hampshire and it kinda clogs up the arteries in the brain......that's why.
We can also point to the Dem transplants from New York City (who have made the state so liberal) who eat all those pastrami sandwiches which have the exact same effect on the little grey cells.
Hopeless in New Hampshire on any culinary level, I guess.
Leni
Unfortunately, to beat the witch, I'm afraid we are going to need somebody who will outwork her. Thus far, I haven't seen Fred doing it.
Ron Paul could win in NH. That state has a history of big upsets and voting for wacky candidates.
I am pretty sure that Fred will get Georgia and Alabama. That would be a good sample. New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina, Florida are probably not going to be in Fred’s column. Having Georgia and Alabama will be nice for him though.
He’ll pull off SC and come in second in Iowa and Florida.
Sounds like you’re poking fun at Thompson’s chances.
Considering your guy won’t place higher than 4th in any state that takes balls.
Do you think maybe they don’t watch enough Law and Order up there? Maybe they don’t watch enough TV to get corrupted by the media BS.
This thread is about New Hamshire and Iowa. Rasmussen is a national poll.
Unfortunately, I don't think that's true. Most of the viewers have seen plenty of him on television, and his lack of real traction so far surprises me.
He has to campaign on the public persona he already has (and in recent years, that persona seems carefully crafted for just this run).
Didn’t the RNC just strip NH and/or SC of half their delegates for moving their primary up to such a ridiculously early date?
“Do you think maybe they don’t watch enough Law and Order up there? Maybe they don’t watch enough TV to get corrupted by the media BS”
That could well be : )
Well there’s only one major Alphabet network station based in NH anyway!
Sounds to me like a ploy to install their chosen Golden Boy In A Dress, Rudy Giuliani.
I am sure Ron Paul has given his share of EAR MARKS that will benefit all those poor farmers in Iowa.
I agree, Hunter is the best conservative and since this is a wide open race, might as well vote for the guy you want.
Here’s what I’ve been posting lately.
Here’s a recent poll showing Hunter at 4%.
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/28889/republicans_2008_giuliani_28_thompson_19
Here’s an intrade link to the forum site discussing how Hunter might be gaining traction.
http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/1797.page
Here’s one showing Fred at 6%, and discussing why.
http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/1805.page
One thing prediction markets are better at — their only bias is whether someone can make money trading the futures contracts.
The Efficacy Of Prediction Markets
The Liberty Papers ^ | November 8, 2007 | Brad Warbiany
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1922961/posts
Posted on 11/08/2007 12:21:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Fred has lost ~30 points at Intrade over the last few weeks, looks like it’s stabilizing at ~6%.
Thompson Tanking in Futures Markets (Intrade, IEM)
Intrade; Iowa Electronic Markets ^ | October 31, 2008
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1919127/posts
The Dropout contract for Thompson has an ask price 2 points higher than last trade. There is no Dropout contract for Hunter.
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/
DROPOUT.DEC07.(F)THOMPSON
Fred Thompson to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Dec 2007 M 6.0 9.2 4.0 0 0
These ever-earlier primary dates will do two things: effectively freeze out people who aren't rabid political junkies like us from the process (as the last thing they want to pay attention to during the Holiday season is politics and the primaries are a mere week later) and benefiting those who the elite would put upon us, and turn the early primaries themselves into a joke, thus removing whatever advantage they have gained by holding them at such an early date in the first place.
Not according to Zogby.
What a revolting development.
“Ron Paul is the one candidate that will force me to go to a 3rd party or just not vote for president.
This idiot is WORSE than a dumbocrat!”
What an a**hole statement. You’re like a lemming being led to the sea, aren’t you Crucis? Here is a guy with whom you probably agree on more than 90% of the issues, and you say he’s worse than a Dem? When was the last time you agreed with a Dem on 90% of the issues? I don’t get you people, and I never will.
My hope is IF (and I agree that it’s a big IF) he becomes president, people like you don’t try to assassinate the man because you disagree with him. You sound like such haters when it comes to anyone you disagree with at all. Wake up genius; this world is full of people with different ideas than you. Your response to Ron Paul is infantile. You may as well be holding your breath and stamping your feet because you’re not getting your way.
“WWAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! One of my socialist GOP picks is not getting the press that this guy is getting. WAAHHHHHHH!!!!”
Grow up.
“John Zogby told Sean Hannity that Ron Paul may embarrass some frontrunners in New Hampshire by getting 15-18% of the vote.”
Would have loved to have seen and heard the response Sean gave him. Any time Paul, Hunter or Tancredo have good news, Sean brushes over them and wants to talk about his god, Rudy. Cracks me up.
Sean must want Tony Snow’s job if Rudy gets in.
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