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The Ron Paul Factor
Townhall.com ^ | Thursday, November 22, 2007 | Matt Towery

Posted on 11/22/2007 8:25:31 AM PST by George W. Bush

The Ron Paul Factor


By Matt Towery
Thursday, November 22, 2007


As we continue to poll and observe the various states involved in the early caucus/primary battles for the Republican presidential nomination, one thing is becoming increasingly clear to me: While Ron Paul may lag behind most of his GOP competitors in the polls, the intensity of devotion from his supporters makes his candidacy deserving of more attention than it's gotten to date.

His sometimes-quirky mannerisms and oddball demeanor fly in the face of what most Republicans traditionally look for in their presidential nominees. And his comments startle many for their bluntness and contrariness to long-running establishment GOP thinking.

That's exactly why Paul could have an unexpected impact not only on the Republican nomination process, but also on the November general election as well.

Consider that over 600 people turned out for a rally for Paul in Reno, Nevada, recently. The media described the crowd as a mixed group that included many college students.

That's another indicator of the potential impact of the Paul campaign. I recall in 1980 when establishment Republicans and conservatives were backing George H.W. Bush, John Connally or Howard Baker for president.

But on college campuses, the birth of the modern College Republicans movement was feeding off of the support of frustrated college students for the maverick in the race, Ronald Reagan.

Don't get me wrong. I am not predicting Paul will pull a Reagan and somehow beat out the GOP's establishment contenders. I will suggest that Paul may fatally damage several potential candidates, and perhaps the entire Republican Party, if he breaks away and runs as a legitimate third-party candidate after Tsunami Tuesday's primaries in early February.

Paul blends a unique mixture of cynicism over the health of the economy, loud opposition to the erosion of civil liberties, plus a stand as the only GOP candidate who's flat-out opposed to the war in Iraq.

Those issues unite a seemingly disparate group of voters who collectively feel that 20 years of the presidency being shared between two families -- the Clintons and Bushes -- is more than enough. They are voters who have found their mouthpiece in Paul, who's willing to voice their frustration over Republicans, Democrats and whoever and whatever else represents "The Establishment."

Paul could be deadly to someone like conservative Mike Huckabee, who is steadily rising in many polls but can't be assured of the devoted turnout of his supporters, as Paul almost surely can.

Paul's words have also taken away some of the ink that should have gone to Fred Thompson, who entered the race as the supposed "I'll say anything and throw caution to the wind" candidate, but whose measured and often boring campaign speeches have consistently fallen short of their billing.

Unlike many GOP candidates, Paul hasn't tried to have his cake and eat it, too, on the subject of President Bush. He has little or nothing charitable to say about the president. And with new revelations coming from Bush's own press secretary about "who knew what when" in the CIA leak scandal, Paul's distance seems all the wiser.

How do I think Ron Paul will impact 2008? It's at least possible that he'll fare better than expected -- and not just eventually in scattered primaries, but as early as next week in the much-awaited CNN/YouTube debate in Florida. Paul is often quicker and less plastic than his counterparts, and could do well in such a format.

But where will Ron Paul really do his damage? It could be by seriously damaging the Republican establishment his followers so despise.

How? By running as a third-party candidate. In critical "Red States," where the vote may turn on just a small percent, Paul could block any hope of a GOP victory.

That would likely mean a Hillary Clinton presidency. But it might also mean a true remake of the Republican Party for the future. The abandonment of the get-along, go-along Republican Party is something that many, including and beyond Paul's supporters, would like to see.


Matt Towery is a former National Republican legislator of the year and author of Powerchicks: How Women Will Dominate America.



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KEYWORDS: paulthedestroyer; pureevil; ronpaul
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They can't make up their minds. Either RP will hurt the GOP candidates for the nomination. Or he'll hurt Hillary. Or he'll hurt the GOP nominee. He might even destroy the Grand Old Party completely.

Pretty evil for an elderly baby doctor.

1 posted on 11/22/2007 8:25:33 AM PST by George W. Bush
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Who knew that Ron Paul was so powerful?
2 posted on 11/22/2007 8:27:27 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

Kind of like an older Chuck Norris.


3 posted on 11/22/2007 8:31:01 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: George W. Bush
Actually, from what I have seen, Paul seems to be drawing at least as many out and out liberals to his cause as conservsatives and libertarians. In that, it seems he will hurt the Dems as much as anyone else.

I can say this about Paul, having met the man personally. He is NOT evil. He is NOT a whack. I disagree wholly with him on his stance on the Iraq war. But he is not against defending Ammerica as a whole, and most of his other stances on domestic issues, foreign policy, the border, and moral issues are much closer to my way of thinking that certainly any Democrat, as well as GOP candidates like Rudy.

But, we differ fundamentally on the war in Iraq and its good for our security and necessity in defeating the Islamic radicals. And for that reason I support Duncan Hunter and then Fred Thompson...in that order.

4 posted on 11/22/2007 8:40:21 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

I like Ron Paul but disagree on some key issues. Unfortunately he’s harming the best candidates the most.


5 posted on 11/22/2007 8:43:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: George W. Bush

What is the media obsession with Ron Paul running as a third party candidate? He’s said repeatedly at every possible occasion that he’s not running as a third party candidate. He did once run on a third party ticket, so he knows exactly of what he speaks. And he’s already filed to run for his Congressional seat, which he’s said all along is “Plan B”.

Ron Paul is running for the Republican nomination. Lots of folks have been wracking their brains to figure out some crazy scenario in which a GOP primary candidate can hurt the eventual Republican nominee, but it just ain’t so. Either Ron Paul takes on the Hildabeast in November (and IMO he would be one of the hardest candidates for her goon squad to throw mud at), or he goes back to voting “no” in Congress. Period, end of story.


6 posted on 11/22/2007 8:46:02 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: George W. Bush

Ron Paul’s candidacy doesn’t approach even long shot status. Paul has no chance of winning the nomination. Just another campaign effort that is helping to fragment the GOP further.

If I know Rooty, he’s loving every minute of it. Whether it was his intention or not, the obvious split among conservatives continues to be working in his favor.

If conservatives want to knock Rooty off, they must unite around one candidate during the primary election phase. The fact that Paul is not that candidate should come as no surprise.


7 posted on 11/22/2007 8:55:48 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: George W. Bush

THanks for the ping. Good article. Happy Thanksgiving.


8 posted on 11/22/2007 8:56:28 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: Jeff Head
Dr. Paul is single-handedly rebuilding the GOP. Libertarians, fiscal conservatives, and pro-American populists are all united for Paul. These are the factions that the GOP have ignored for the past six years, which explains Bush's razor-thin victory margins in his presidential elections & the GOP's 2006 mid-term defeats.

Americans also oppose any long-term commitment in the Middle East as well. I personally, do not want our troops to leave immediately and I wish Paul would recognize how god-awfully evil Islam is and the need for our troops to remain until at least the end of the decade, but unfortunately I don't speak for the masses. I just think it would be best for the GOP to compromise with Paul on this issue & start embracing some of his other views, instead of calling him a kook or Neo-Nazi which is just counter-productive and will only strengthen his campaign.

9 posted on 11/22/2007 9:07:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: George W. Bush

Paul just broke $9 million dollars for the 4Q!


10 posted on 11/22/2007 9:07:31 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>>Dr. Paul is single-handedly rebuilding the GOP.

Didn't realize you lived in the twilight zone.

11 posted on 11/22/2007 9:13:26 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: George W. Bush

Ron Paul spammers and google-bombers should be arrested and charged with Internet stalking and harassment.


12 posted on 11/22/2007 9:17:40 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Turbopilot
What is the media obsession with Ron Paul running as a third party candidate?

They're promoting this garbage so they'll have a scapegoat when the GOP nominee loses to Hillary because Paul's supporters stayed home or voted 3rd party.

It's time the GOP start embracing Paul like they're embracing pro-abortionist/homosexual rights/gun control Rudy Giuliani.

13 posted on 11/22/2007 9:29:15 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
It's time the GOP start embracing Paul like they're embracing pro-abortionist/homosexual rights/gun control Rudy Giuliani.

You know that isn't true of all of us.
14 posted on 11/22/2007 9:33:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Reagan Man
You can enjoy living in your FR bubble where everyone supports the war and everyone is a religious conservative who'll magically vote for Fred! but it just ain't so.

I'm telling you that Paul is the ONLY Republican candidate who can unite all of the conservative factions together to defeat Hillary in the general. Not to say he'll get nominated and win, but someone like Fred! can at least accommodate Paul on some of his views to retain his supporters within the GOP. Let's face it, the GOP has completely ignored fiscal conservatism in favor of pushing socon socialism. If whoever's nominated don't start talking about limited government and at least winding down on the war, they're toast, I don't care if it's Fred! or not, the GOP does not have the votes to defeat Hillary in its present form.

15 posted on 11/22/2007 9:34:36 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: cripplecreek
You know that isn't true of all of us.

I'm not talking about FR, I'm talking about the GOP. If the party elites can get behind that POS Rudy and let him speak at the convention in 2004, then Paul also deserves a slot at the convention and some of his views embraced.

The party will endorse and support liberal RINOs but libertarians like Paul with a proven track record are given the shaft.

16 posted on 11/22/2007 9:36:27 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If Ron Paul is such a uniter, why do sane people detest him? Even the Liberty Papers have disassociated themselves from him. Ron Paul supporters are pushing Huckabee over Thompson. You guys need to get a life.


17 posted on 11/22/2007 9:38:56 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Back away. Do not feed the beast. EEE lives in an alternate universe.


18 posted on 11/22/2007 9:46:59 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Sorry. Its time to move beyond long shot and no shot candidacies and stop dwelling in the political outer limits. Backing Ron Paul is a futile effort.

Its time to return to reality. We have a unique set of circumstances this time around in the GOP field of candidates. There is a well funded liberal candidate running for the GOP nomination. While he has lost some support thanks to Fred Thompson`s candidacy, Giuliani has been the front runner for the last year and continues to hang on in poll after poll.

We don’t need rhetoric that works to divide social and fiscal conservatives even further. That is exactly the opposite of what Ronald Reagan set out to do starting in the mid-1970`s. That Reagan coalition has become seriously split because so many folks on the right are wanting their agenda to dominate GOP policy.

Bush43 hasn’t helped matters when you consider how his big government spending habits, expansion of the federal bureaucracy and desire for liberal immigration reform has worked to further split the GOP. Just look at the 2006 election results. If Bush was a strong conservative leader we wouldn’t have a fractured party, with a liberal front runner.

Republicans need to start uniting behind one conservative candidate, ASAP. Otherwise Rooty is gonna walk away with the nomination. Something that would please Hillary and Dems to know end.

19 posted on 11/22/2007 9:59:40 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
oops: correction: Something that would please Hillary and the Dems to know end.
20 posted on 11/22/2007 10:22:02 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

RM, all I’m saying is that Paul deserves a seat at the table too. Some of the views he has are valid, and they’ve been ignored by the GOP for years. Now if you want whoever is the GOP nominee is to win the election, you’re going to need Paul’s support and the army of people that’s supporting him. Where are the huge rallies for Fred? The money bombs? The passionate support? AIN’T NONE, OK? Antagonizing Paul and denigrating him is counter-productive. DO YOU WANT TO WIN OR NOT??


21 posted on 11/22/2007 10:30:43 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
In the end, Dr. Paul will be the only candidate from either party that will get voters to cross the picket line. Dems will register Repub just to vote for him.
22 posted on 11/22/2007 10:40:40 AM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Come on. Its the other way around. Ron Paul has antagonized conservatives by espousing an unending cut and run policy on Iraq. If he hadn't taken such a position, he might have done better.

>>>>>Where are the huge rallies for Fred?

Obviously Fred hasn't caught on like I thought he would. After a good lead up in the polls to his official announcement and a solid October. Fred seemed to hit a brick wall. The pounding from the mainstream media and the hammering from the so-called rightwing punditry, helped to drive down his numbers. Fred isn't the best campaigner, but he does have the most viable conservative message of all the candidates. And that is the problem. Fred`s overall message is being obfuscated and undermined by political operatives who don't want to see a conservative get the nomination and possibly become the next POTUS. The RudyBoosters over at Fox News are the best example of that. They've given Rooty multimillion's in free advertising. Sean Vannity has practically made Rooty the co-host of his radio show.

Actually, none of the candidates are pulling in huge crowds. Paul has had a few, but that has more to do with his hyper-extremist supporters, then a consistent campaign message which appeals to more voters. According to reports, Rooty doesn't really do retail campaigning anymore. He just shows up to townhall meetings. That is his best venue and that is where he's having success. Romney does more retail politics than anyone and along with his millions in advertising, his message is getting out in the early primary states. Huckabee has won over most of Fred`s lost socon supporters. The Tancredo and Hunter campaigns are on life support and McCain is hanging on for dear life.

Bottom line. If we don't start letting go of those candidates who can't get the nomination, we'll be left with the worst choice of all. Rooty as the party standard bearer would deal a seriously blow to the Republican Party for years, if not decades to come. Many conservatives would quit the GOP, while others would simply not vote for Giulaini in the general election. Leaving Hillary and the Democrats a wide open opportunity for easy victory.

Same question backatcha: "DO YOU WANT TO WIN OR NOT??"

23 posted on 11/22/2007 11:14:30 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

Well, in a way he is rebuilding the party. After all, look at all the people who simply don’t bother to vote because the candidates are so similar. Look also at all the young people who, out of pure cynicism haven’t bothered to vote yet. Ron Paul is gathering up these “lost sheep” and making a new and perhaps powerful flock. If the mainstream GOP doesn’t find some way to keep them happy they’ll just whither away along with the future of both parties. We’ll be left on an increasingly steep and rapid slide toward Socialism.
I make no bones about it - I hope he is elected President but I don’t think that’ll happen. So I’m left with hoping the Republican Party will wake up and embrace its original ideals of small government, limited expenditures and keeping out of other people’s business - as Ron Paul would like us to.
Again though, I don’t think that’ll happen either.


24 posted on 11/22/2007 11:19:41 AM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: sageb1

“If Ron Paul is such a uniter, why do sane people detest him?”

Who says they’re sane? The same people who say Ron Paul is insane?


25 posted on 11/22/2007 11:22:03 AM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: oldfart
So I’m left with hoping the Republican Party will wake up and embrace its original ideals of small government, limited expenditures and keeping out of other people’s business

Ah, another Paulite who thinks 9-11 was our fault.

26 posted on 11/22/2007 11:24:40 AM PST by dirtboy (Ron Paul - blame America first but still bill her for the shrimp)
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To: dirtboy

Did I say that? Gosh somebody must have inserted a few words into YOUR version of my post.
One of the reasons I don’t post very much here is because too many people try to read their tea leaves and discern what I “really” meant. I try (not always successfully) to say exactly what I mean without resorting to hidden clues. Thus I might say “the sky is blue” and someone would then accuse me of being a Democrat.

Read what I say, not what you think I say!


27 posted on 11/22/2007 11:30:06 AM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: oldfart
Did I say that? Gosh somebody must have inserted a few words into YOUR version of my post.

Your boy Ron Paul sure has said that.

One of the reasons I don’t post very much here

Thank you.

is because too many people try to read their tea leaves and discern what I “really” meant

More like you try to backpeddle when you are called on what your words really mean.

28 posted on 11/22/2007 11:34:11 AM PST by dirtboy (Ron Paul - blame America first but still bill her for the shrimp)
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To: oldfart
Ron Paul is gathering up these “lost sheep” and making a new and perhaps powerful flock.

90 percent of that flock was backing antiwar Howard Dean in 2004. So much for being powerful. But living in abject ignorance of history does tend to blunt one's power over time.

29 posted on 11/22/2007 11:44:20 AM PST by dirtboy (Ron Paul - blame America first but still bill her for the shrimp)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
*****Paul just broke $9 million dollars for the 4Q!*****

Yes, but as George W Bush said about the Nov. 5th thing, it might be better for the campaign to have a steady flow of money. The Tea Party (Dec 16th), which probably will generate more money than Nov 5th, comes too late to use much of that money in Iowa and N. H.

You are probably aware that the “time is money” call for donations generated 250 T. the other day. Daily donations had slow to a trickle prior to that. It looks like they are picking up a bit now.

The tea party might be an example of too much of a good thing, but there was no way the official campaign could do anything about it without breaking some (?) election laws.

30 posted on 11/22/2007 12:21:58 PM PST by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country -- Ron Paul)
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To: oldfart; Extremely Extreme Extremist

“people try to read their tea leaves”

Was reading my tea leaves and EEE’s post and I see that RP has over 9 Million dollar purse and growing.

103,000 donors in Q4. Over 18K signed up for the 16th of Dec Tea Party bringing in anywhere from 1 to 5 plus million dollars in one day.

EEE, who are these insane people, besides myself.


31 posted on 11/22/2007 12:30:14 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: dirtboy

Sorry, but 90% of the flock wasn’t old enough to vote then.


32 posted on 11/22/2007 2:03:58 PM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: George W. Bush

I’ve been around here about 10 years and Ron Paul used to be revered around this site. Gosh what happened to the conservative movement. Just another big government socialist party...sigh.


33 posted on 11/22/2007 2:10:08 PM PST by Thoreau
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To: Jeff Head
Actually, from what I have seen, Paul seems to be drawing at least as many out and out liberals to his cause as conservatives and libertarians. In that, it seems he will hurt the Dems as much as anyone else.

I posted the article because it made me laugh. Apparently, Ron Paul is more hazardous to the GOP than Godzilla is to Tokyo. And yet, the pundits seem unable to decide exactly why he's so dangerous. The reaction shows how lazy and actually uninformed the media is about Ron Paul. And more than that, that they really are inaccurate about candidates in both parties, their policy ideas and plans, etc. The media is playing this as a straight horse race, not a political decision.

I can say this about Paul, having met the man personally. He is NOT evil. He is NOT a whack. I disagree wholly with him on his stance on the Iraq war. But he is not against defending Ammerica as a whole, and most of his other stances on domestic issues, foreign policy, the border, and moral issues are much closer to my way of thinking that certainly any Democrat, as well as GOP candidates like Rudy.

Fair enough. We're not fanatics. We don't imagine that everyone can be in complete agreement. People of good intent can support different candidates.

But, we differ fundamentally on the war in Iraq and its good for our security and necessity in defeating the Islamic radicals. And for that reason I support Duncan Hunter and then Fred Thompson...in that order.

I'm fine with both. Duncan can't break 1% in national polls. Fred still has potential and, as someone whose primary is over five months away, I anticipate I'll end up voting for Fred or Mitt to stop Rudy, my #1 goal.

I suppose what wins me to Dr. Paul is the unswerving record on liberty and on small government, certainly an area that the GOP was once very strong in. Now so many Republicans act as though those ideas are the enemy, more so than actual liberals in the media or the Democrat party or liberal Republicans. We see this constantly on these threads, some even saying they would actually vote for Hitlery herself instead of Ron Paul if he was the GOP nominee. It's rather startling, more so here at FreeRepublic than anywhere else. You've been here long enough to know why some of us find such statements to be quite shocking. But maybe we shouldn't be so easily surprised. The Bush era of compassionate conservatism has taken its toll and the Big Tent now has a lot of nannystaters and Wilsonian internatonalists. Funny, that was the stuff coming from the Dims that made me become a diehard Republican. I thought opposition to those ideas defined being a conservative. Apparently not. Some say "9/11 changed everything". I don't believe that. Personally, in my own political views, it changed nothing. I still have exactly the same political goals I had before. Maybe I'm a relic of a bygone era, when Republicans favored fiscal soundness, smaller government, private sector solutions, lower taxes, etc. Now, it's like I don't even recognize the GOP.
34 posted on 11/22/2007 2:18:59 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Thoreau
I’ve been around here about 10 years and Ron Paul used to be revered around this site. Gosh what happened to the conservative movement. Just another big government socialist party...sigh.

We still have hope that many of them will come to their sense, recall the Reagan agenda and Gingrich's Contract, platforms that can win for us if we adhere to them.

Rush says to run as conservatives because it works every time we try it. Rush is right. I hope the GOP will listen before it's too late.
35 posted on 11/22/2007 2:26:42 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You can enjoy living in your FR bubble where everyone supports the war and everyone is a religious conservative who'll magically vote for Fred! but it just ain't so

Wait a minute...it's not? ;)

Let's face it, the GOP has completely ignored fiscal conservatism in favor of pushing socon socialism

Spot on. I'm a social conservative. But I don't believe everything should be taken to the altar of Washington DC either. I'll take limited government and a much weaker federal government than some nanny in Washington what I can and cannot do. Frankly as federal officials it's none of their business.

36 posted on 11/22/2007 4:01:32 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: George W. Bush

“I will suggest that Paul may fatally damage several potential candidates, and perhaps the entire Republican Party,”

I believe that fatal damage to the entire Republican party is the objective of the hardcare Ron Paul supporters.


37 posted on 11/22/2007 4:04:36 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: Reagan Man
Republicans need to start uniting behind one conservative candidate, ASAP

This I've never understood. I stand behind the candidate who I know will represent my views. That was the original intent. This party voting of follow the crowd or you're not as good as we are is childish. I should vote for someone I don't believe in because why again? The 'other guy' gets in? What the hell kind of reasoning for voting is that?!?

Tell you what, you keep voting for the 'lesser of two evils' and I'll vote my conscience. I may not get as many politicians elected my way but the ones that are I know will represent my views. Watching Tweedledum and Tweedledumber every year act as if they have vast differences is getting boring.

Jonah Goldberg was right. It's disconcerting that the one man whose views represent conservatism is ridiculed while the 'mainstream' marches by on the path to socialism.

38 posted on 11/22/2007 4:06:40 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

“It’s disconcerting that the one man whose views represent conservatism is ridiculed while the ‘mainstream’ marches by on the path to socialism.”

Agree and it explains why the three most conservative voices are low in the polls, Tancredo, Hunter and Dr Paul.


39 posted on 11/22/2007 4:12:49 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: DugwayDuke; Extremely Extreme Extremist; rineaux; BGHater; Thoreau
I believe that fatal damage to the entire Republican party is the objective of the hardcare Ron Paul supporters.

Oh.

So the Republican party can repudiate small government, expand funding for even such liberal albatrosses as ethanol, Department of Education & Labor, forcing through Pill Bill, forcing through an unread Patriot Act, trying to ram several unread Shamnesties down our throats, constant expansion of federal debt, building Bridges To Nowhere and Iowa rainforests, spending at a level that would make Xlinton blush and even LBJ smile in admiration, then got in bed with Cunnigham on influence peddling, had the Foley scandal and now the Craig scandal. This is leaving aside the conduct of the Iraq and Afghan occupations.

But none of these things enacted by the GOP in the Bush era have done any damage whatsoever to the prospects of the GOP in 2008, no damage at all to the Reagan/Gingrich ideals of the GOP which brought us such victories for conservatives.

Only Ron Paul could damage the invincibly immaculate GOP. I suppose Ron Paul is dangerous because he voted and spoke forcefully against nearly all these things. He even has the nerve to be the faithful husband of just one wife.

So is the primary problem with Ron Paul that he's consistently opposed the worst policies promulgated by both parties of big-government and doesn't discriminate between Republican liberalism and Democrat liberalism?
40 posted on 11/22/2007 4:20:53 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

Yes, only 16 year old dope smoking democrats support RP. s/

On a serious note, I am in HK and confirmed with the US Consulate that the USS Kitty Hawk will not be coming to port. Many were holding out hope that Beijing would change their mind. Would have loved to have seen it.


41 posted on 11/22/2007 4:29:40 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: George W. Bush; All

Lovely. Your candidate’s supporters spent the entire time the rest of us were having Thanksgiving dinner with our families google-bombing against Fred Thompson. You should be proud.


42 posted on 11/22/2007 4:30:41 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
Your candidate’s supporters spent the entire time the rest of us were having Thanksgiving dinner with our families google-bombing against Fred Thompson.

I hadn't heard of it. No mention at other sites.

Do you have any proof Fred was googlebombed or that RP supporters did it?
43 posted on 11/22/2007 4:44:35 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Thoreau
I’ve been around here about 10 years and Ron Paul used to be revered around this site. Gosh what happened to the conservative movement.

Conservatives fell in love with a nation building project in Iraq, and Ron Paul didn't. That's his unforgivable sin around here.
44 posted on 11/22/2007 4:45:02 PM PST by publiusF27
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To: George W. Bush

I do not believe Ron Paul can fatally damage the GOP. I do believe that many hardcare Ron Paul supporters wish he could.


45 posted on 11/22/2007 4:46:33 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: sageb1; George W. Bush

” Your candidate’s supporters spent the entire time the rest of us were having Thanksgiving dinner with our families google-bombing against Fred Thompson. You should be proud.”

Sageb1
Guess by your logic everyone that posted today, regardless of the topic, do not love their families? Or does your logic only apply to RP supporters?


46 posted on 11/22/2007 5:03:26 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: George W. Bush

Yes. Thompson staffers have not been able to keep their websites up. They have been google-bombed 24/7. And it is Ron Paul people. I got back from Thanksgiving dinner and all of Thompson’s official site and blogs were gone or pushed down the page by Ron Paul supporters and Lew Rockwell himself. They also bomb articles about other candidates with the express purpose of keeping Fred’s own sites and and pro-Fred bloggers off the first page. They hit him hard 1 hour before his fundraiser and took the sites down, then they started again this morning.

I managed to get one Fred site back to the top, but there should be 5 or 6 there. There are 2 and 1 doesn’t work, so they google-bomb it so that it remains at the top of the page. Go ahead and check out the page.

See for yourself.

http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&client=news&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Fred+Thompson&btnG=Search+Blogs

There are so many positive news articles and so many things he has written recently, but who the heck would know if you can’t find the stuff. You guys say Ron Paul deserves a voice. Thompson staffers are not doing anything against Ron Paul.

You wonder why no one wants to listen to anything Paul has to say. It’s because of this behavior by his supporters.

Check out the nasty articles that are being written by Paul people just for google-bomb purposes. They’re all there.


47 posted on 11/22/2007 5:28:52 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: rineaux

Funny. When I came back, I had to go all the way down the news/activism page to find replies to articles because most people are busy. I’ve been alone on holidays. I didn’t spend my time spamming and google-bombing.


48 posted on 11/22/2007 5:31:39 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: George W. Bush; rineaux

And while you’re at it, check out 2 libertarian websites.

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/11/21/ron-paul-makes-thanksgiving-eve-appearance-with-alex-jones/

http://mvdg.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/ron-paul-bad-for-libertarianism/


49 posted on 11/22/2007 5:41:24 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Again, they have been posting and replying all day today and into the evening.

I “view all” by the way. Never know what you might miss.


50 posted on 11/22/2007 5:44:43 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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