Skip to comments.President Mark Sanford Is Still Possible in 2012
Posted on 06/28/2009 8:11:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
No ones going to save us dude. Its up to us and us alone.
These are the words of a text message I received from a fellow conservative upon the revelation that South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford had disappeared for a few days to spend time with his mistress in Argentina. After the cumulative disaster that were the 2008 GOP primaries, conservatives desperately thought that, for once, we might have an ardent conservative particularly a fiscal conservative run and actually capture the White House in 2012.
And this was not your garden-variety, self-proclaimed conservative Republican who interpreted conservatism as an ideology of merely slower government growth. No, this guy was the real deal. He fought to keep his state from accepting dirty stimulus funds from the federal government while other governors gobbled up the money in complete disregard for their supposed principles and for the well-being of the younger generations that must repay the debt. He has attended legislative sessions with piglets under his arms in demonstration of his ardent opposition to pork. He has walked the walk, and is still doing it.
Indeed, media personalities couldnt be more frustrating when they proclaim that Sanfords blunder is yet another blow to an already-aching GOP. The fact is that many conservatives didnt regard Sanfords affiliation with the GOP as anything beyond an annoying necessity. They viewed Sanford as being in the mold of Pat Toomey, Jim DeMint, Tom Coburn and Jeff Flake you know, the guys who spend much of their time combating the Republican establishment. They are the guys who never see a scandal in their voracious hunt for smaller government and against politicians abuse of public office. The fact that Sanford made conservatives doubt even this already tiny group of political stars is beyond infuriating.
Sanfords sin, like that of any adulterer, is absolutely nauseating and, absent repentance, is deserving of a deeper circle of hell than Dante would ever ascribe to it. This is why only a few conservatives would trust Sanford again unless he cuts off all relations with his mistress, demonstrates genuine contrition, works fervently to rebuild his family and earns the forgiveness of his wife and kids.
And indeed if Sanfords conversion is accepted as sincere even by his most wounded wife, who are we to deny him our support for any political pursuit based on this sin especially when he has excelled more than most at his job as governor? Democrats never asked Bill Clinton to step down when he cheated on his wife, even when he explicitly lied under oath and to the entire country. Likewise, few if any Republicans withheld their vote from heroic John McCain in 2008 for cheating on his wife and proceeding to marry another woman.
As far as affairs go, Sanfords story is not among the worst which does not take away from its intrinsic immorality, but raises questions as to why his treatment has been worse than usual. Some credit the difference to his supposed use of state assets for personal reasons. But the best his opponents have been able to find is that, on a completely legitimate commerce trip he took to Brazil and Argentina last year, he apparently made time to see his mistress. Yet politicians use such opportunity of being in a distant location for personal reasons all the time and its only logical (unlike, say, dropping up to a quarter-million dollars solely to take the First Lady on a hours-long date in NYC).
From a public-duty perspective, Sanfords greatest lapse of judgment was disappearing without much contact, but rhetoric and attack dogs aside, its really not that appalling for a governor to be unavailable for a few days at least not a big enough deal to disqualify him from the presidency. Its not like he hung out with a terrorist, or for 20 years espoused a church run by a conspiratorial bigot.
But its not really all about cheating and disappearing, of course. By sticking to the laws of economics and fiscal integrity, Sanford has managed to build enemies on both sides of the aisle. Since Obamas election, but especially since Sanfords rejection of porkulus funds, Democrats have feared Sanford as a definitively non-McCainiac presidential candidate who could energize conservatives against President Obama in 2012. They have been running ads against him. The third-ranking Democrat in the House played the racism card in response to Sanfords statement that printing a lot of money could lead to hyper-inflation à la Zimbabwe.
The New York Times wildly sensationalized an article about Sanford by titling it Governor Used States Money to Visit Lover, while it went on to explain that he merely met up with his mistress while on a legitimate business development trip to Argentina.
And, a bit surprisingly, it seems that some simply have not overcome the embarrassment dealt to them by President Clinton. Also in the New York Times, Gail Collins wrote about a lesson to be learned from the Sanford story: Im thinking its time for the Republicans to apologize for putting us through the Clinton impeachment. We seem to have pretty well established that sexual stone-throwing is a dangerous sport.
Wow. Never mind that Clinton was impeached on grounds of perjury and obstruction of justice. What is most disturbing is the apparent admission that the heat launched at Sanford is a form of revenge for what Clinton brought unto himself. This behavior makes even more sense in light of a recent Gallup poll showing that Democrats are five times as likely as Republicans to believe that marital infidelity is morally acceptable.
The fact is that even if Sanford was the only politician who has cheated on his spouse (which he most certainly is not), he still would not rank anywhere near the bottom of politicians ethical scale. Not because he is a moral giant, mind you, but because all the others are so, so far from being one.
A great majority of politicians, from both parties, continuously engage in wasteful spending, pork and other abuses of taxpayer money. They subsidize the businesses of their campaign donors and choke the rest. They take actions that they affirmatively believe will harm the economy if it will help their re-election. They are dirty.
Putting Sanfords marital infidelity aside, the governor has been a hero to anyone who has ever paid taxes, and more importantly, anyone who wishes to live in a prosperous country. It may be for this reason that only 18 percent of South Carolina voters, even after the recent hullabaloo, say that Sanfords ethical standards are lower than most politicians. It is incredible then that so many seem to care more about Sanfords sin in Argentina than about the hundreds of remaining politicians putting every American into debt for decades to come. Our priorities are more than skewed.
If a Mark Sanford presidency would look anything like the Mark Sanford governorship, and if Sanford would respect the small-government roots of the U.S. Constitution like he respected small-government principles in South Carolina, America would be better off than it would be under nearly any figure in the American political scene. Much, much better off.
And it is still possible. Following the debacle, Sanford said: What I find interesting is the story of David, and the way in which he fell mightily, he fell in very very significant ways. But then picked up the pieces and built from there. Any Christian, and most Americans must believe that aside from whether or not he will actually do so, Sanford is capable of picking up the pieces and rebuilding. He might never again be regarded as highly as he once was. But he could unquestionably be regarded higher than most in his league.
Before or after he’s taken the Argentina former journalist as wife?
Has The New York Times already endorsed him in the Republican primary?
Another writer who is on the ‘shrooms.
All he has to do is become a Democrat.
Governor Sanford, resign, sit down, and shut the hell up.
And for the love of God don't go anywhere NEAR the Republican primaries.
I’m sick of low-character vermin in politics.
Instead of “betters”, we have hypocritical scum whose top priority is servicing the urges in their loins or gaining wealth at public expense.
To hell with Sanford. May he drop dead and rot.
No way Jose’
Sanford is rotting meat.
I may forgive him as a person if he repents, but that will never mean that I would endorse him for President.
The affair is almost politically forgivable. The stupidity and irresponsibility of the cover-up is not.
I can’t. Bill Benett and some other wags have already written off Palin in the Party’s future for Willow, her daughter, having a child out of wedlock.
Mark Sanford has proven that he can be distracted on a whim from the importance of the office entrusted to him by leaving the country without notifying his staff, for starters. I don’t want anyone with that level of absent-mindedness and indiscretion holding the office of President if I can help it.
Give us one candidate with a little charisma but solid conservative with brains, heart, guts and knows how to convey the conservative message. Oh..that was Reagan!
Mark Sanford could very well be president of his local Lions’ Club in 2012. I wish him well.
I seriously doubt he could get elected dog catcher.......even if it included cleaning up in the local dog park each night.
“President Mark Sanford Is Still Possible in 2012”
President of what? The Lonely Hearts Club? The guy is on the leading edge of a breakdown. Anyone who watched that press conference could see that he’s an emotional basket case.
At the moment I’m not particularly optimistic that his marriage will survive. And if it doesn’t, no way is he a viable candidate for 2012.
Hope I’m wrong about the marriage.
And not that I agree with him or them for that, particularly. Palin may be imperfect but seems to be able tonmake the best out of the bad for acts not directly under her control. But Sanford proved that he's willing to throw a public trust out the window if he can gain some momentary gratification from it.
It depends on the family, but, you know, I am a screw up when it comes to relationships, and I know I suck at making decisions, so, is that related? (I am a good artist, though)
No. Not buying.
He wasn’t anything to write home about before. Now he’s nothing.
Okay... here you go. But she's got a tough uphill battle against a press and country club RINO establishment that's got the long knives arrayed against her...
No, this man may be the best guy in the neighborhood, but the Presidency of the United States of America MEANS SOMETHING TO ME. NO, he does NOT deserve it.
And I really liked the guy before this, too!
My problem with him is not the affair..big deal. I have a real problem with him leaving the state for five days. As President is he going to get the itch to go to South America for a week and not tell anyone. If he could ensure that this was a one time lapse than perhaps he might get my support again...I just have a real issue with Unauthorized Absenses...just ask my Sailors. lol.
I knew those two set him up, Knotts was the one who called the paper and said he was missing.
Nothing like getting outed by your own.
Those e-mails he wrote were just sloppy...
I seriously question his intelligence and judgement..... not for the affair, but for openly e-mailing about it. As I type here on FR, I am aware someone might know it’s me... so I’m not going to say something stupid. How dumb could Sanford be?
“President Mark Sanford Is Still Possible in 2012”
Um, no, and he certainly will not garner my or anyone in my family’s vote. Bet.
She’s beaten the country club Republicans before, but I don’t know how the Alaskan MSM treated her then.
Would I support him over the False Messiah and his counterpart twin in the GOP, Slick Willard ? Of course, but he’s still too damaged now to seriously pursue the office and hope to win (as a Republican, but we’re always judged by different standards... though at least we actually possess standards). I do support him to complete his term as Governor, however, since Andre Bauer is far too risky and RINOish for us to permit ascend to the top job.
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Technically speaking, both are possible.
Won’t happen. Same with Newton Gingrich. They had their chances, and neither would make good candidates against Obama. It’s a loss of credibility among the people whose support they would be required to have.
Exactly. It wasn’t but a few weeks ago that Bill Bennett and company were pooh-poohing Palin over Willow and then saying we need to here from heavy-weights like Sanford.
Obviously, Bennett didn’t know about Sanford’s indiscretions. But those are the sorts of things that, in Bill’s view, warrant dismissal. And he sounded pretty sure that Sanford was the sort of rock-solid condidate that he knew all about, inside and out. Wrong.
Palin, warts and all, is head-and-shoulders above these knuckleheads that babble nonsense or plant both feet squarely in it as soon as someone puts the notion of the Presidency in their heads.
I’m done with him.
Maybe i’m too oldfashioned. Or maybe i’m just a prude.
But i’ve been married for 22 years and have managed not to cheat. Its a choice. A choice not to betray someone who puts their trust in you.
If you will do that to your spouse, what will you do to your constituants?
Its very simple....if you CHOOSE to represent the american people and make your living on the taxpayers dime then please keep your sicko , perverted, corrupt lifestyles at bay for the extent of that service. thats all i ask....if your having trouble with that, then quit the job and look for a position in the private sector.
Well he won’t have mine. Not only is he an adulterer which repelled me from Clinton, the man abandoned his office to fly out of the country to conduct this affair. Having his staff lie to constituents, the press, and anyone who sought answers where he was.
I wish him well in whatever endeavor he chooses after he puts politics behind him.
The list of disappointing Republicans is so long that it could start with Bennett (Bill and Senator UT Bob both for that matter), but I bet there’s competiong from Aa to Ba.
No, it’s not possible. Who said any publicity is good publicity?
Definitely poor planning. He should imported Maria rather than exporting himself. Then he could have used Billy Jeff's strategy: he'd stop by Gennifer Flowers's apartment while out jogging for exercise.
Sanford completing his term will guarantee a Democratic governor next time. As for the POTUS thing, it’s delusional. This article is not worth reading because the title is in denial. Far, far worse than the affair was his erratic - almost sociopathic - scheme to disappear from civilization and his duties as governor to a country several thousand miles away perhaps thinking no one would notice. He’s a derelict and an incompetent.
Totally agree. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
(BTW, it was Bristol who had the child out of wedlock)
Nonsense. That didn't occur with Larry Craig in ID and the Senate seat, the Dems have a serious problem with no real substantial candidates. The problem WE have is if Bauer gets the Governorship. Bauer DID almost lose, he won by ONE percent in '06, a very damaged incumbent. If he becomes Governor carrying his baggage and RINO inclinations (and other "personal" stuff, think Crist 'n Craig), he will insist on running for the full term and cripple whomever ends up the nominee (which might very well be him) and THEN a Dem could win, even an unimpressive one (like Hodges did in '98 over Beasley). Sanford assures Bauer doesn't get the Governorship and cause that scenario to happen. The GOP can then have their candidates run "against" him (or ostensibly claim to be against him), and still hold it. Unless Sanford violated the law or committed an impeachable offense (he hasn't), there's no reason to remove him now. Let him finish the job he was elected to.
I know we all sin. I’m just tired of folks like Bennett saying who we should and shouldn’t vote for or support and then when they trot out their immaculate star, their star goes to pieces all on their own.
LOL! I was SO SURE I had it figured out!
You said — Has The New York Times already endorsed him in the Republican primary?
Yep, that’s the “ploy” that the Democrats and liberals like to foist upon conservative voters... all right... LOL...
Next you’ll be hearing that they also support Romney, a cult group member who will never get the vote of a significant portion of the GOP Christian right, as a large segment will never vote for a cult member for President, besides a large group who will never vote for a liberal, too... :-)
That’s why they were so happy to have McCain there, so McCain could give his fake support for Pallin, to “toss a crumb” to the conservatives, too.
Now, you’ve got McCain who is embarrassed about Palin and Romney who sends out his goons, whenever there’s a chance to keep shooting down Palin.
Yep, these Democrats sure do know how to pick the right guys for us conservatives... LOL...
You said — By next month Sanford will replace McCain as the Dems favorite Republican.
You said — No. Not buying.
And the Democrats are so, so sorry to hear that...