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'Fight them over there vs. over here' a false choice
The Washington Times ^ | 2009-07-01 | U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, 14th District

Posted on 07/03/2009 9:11:35 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

There is no area in which Republicans have further strayed from our traditions than in foreign affairs.

Generations of conservatives followed the great advice of our Founding Fathers and pursued a restrained foreign policy that rebuffed entangling alliances and advised America, in the words of John Quincy Adams, not to "go abroad looking for dragons to slay."

Sen. Robert Taft, the stalwart of the Old Right, urged America to stay out of NATO. Dwight Eisenhower was elected on a platform promising to get us out of the conflict in Korea. Richard Nixon promised to end the war in Vietnam.

Republicans were highly critical of Bill Clinton for his adventurism in Somalia and Kosovo. As recently as 2000, George W. Bush campaigned on a "humbler" foreign policy and decried nation-building.

But our foreign policy today looks starkly different.

Neoconservatives who have come to power in both the Democratic and Republican parties argue that the U.S. must ether confront every evil in every corner of the globe or risk danger at home. We need to "fight them over there" they say, so we don't have to "fight them over here." This argument presents a false choice. We do not have to pick between interventionism and vulnerability. The complexity of our world is exactly why the lessons of our past should ring true and demand a return to a traditional, pro-American foreign policy: one of nonintervention.

Moving forward, I suggest that we as Americans adhere to these five principles:

1. We do not abdicate American sovereignty to global institutions...

2. We provide a strong national defense, but we do not police the world...

3. We obey the Constitution and follow the rule of law...

4. We do not engage in nation-building...

5. We stay out of the internal affairs of other nations...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Issues
KEYWORDS: fauxconservatives; foreignpolicy; lunatic; noninterventionism; nutjob; psycho; realconservatives; ronpaul; youknowhesnuts
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1 posted on 07/03/2009 9:11:35 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: djsherin; bamahead; traviskicks; Bokababe; dcwusmc; exit82

He does make a rather cogent argument for a foreign policy of non-interventionism here.


2 posted on 07/03/2009 9:13:06 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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We need to "fight them over there" they say, so we don't have to "fight them over here."

This always struck me as a bogus argument in the first place. Any politician truly dedicated to ensuring that we don't have to "fight them over here" would demand that we protect our borders. Yet the same people giving us the above line were surprisingly unconcerned that enemies of the US could easily sneak across the border and wreak havoc on our own soil.

4 posted on 07/03/2009 9:18:57 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: JackRyanCIA

True. And Republicans do not need to be confused any more than what they are.

parsy, who notes the way your sentence was worded.


5 posted on 07/03/2009 9:23:05 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: rabscuttle385

If we actually had intelligent immigration laws that were properly enforced and we actually acted like we have a second amendment, they wouldn’t come over here, because they’d be denied entry or shot if they somehow got in and tried something.


6 posted on 07/03/2009 9:23:12 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Just say "No" to socialism.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ron Paul once again demonstrates 18th century logic in the 21st century.

His arguments would be acceptable if there were no such thing as strategic nuclear missiles or bio-weapons.

If a stopped clock is right twice a day, does that mean you should live you life by it?


7 posted on 07/03/2009 9:24:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (No greater friend, no worse enemy -The United States Marine Corps.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Of course he does, but as par, the writer arguably fails to recognize that if one wishes to be a super power, a foreign policy of non-intervention is a liberal myth, one mainly reserved for liberalist, internationalist, isolationist, and transnationalist political paradigms.


8 posted on 07/03/2009 9:28:59 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Mr. Jazzy
His arguments would be acceptable if there were no such thing as strategic nuclear missiles or bio-weapons.

Sure, and his arguments about government intervention in the financial sector would be acceptable if there were no such things as collateralized debt obligations or credit default swaps.

Oh, and I forgot, the Second Amendment is also a product of "eighteenth century logic."

9 posted on 07/03/2009 9:30:26 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Captain Kirk; Gondring; ...

***If we must fight, we should do so with overwhelming force, win as quickly as possible and promptly withdraw.***

WHAT A KOOK!


10 posted on 07/03/2009 9:30:41 AM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’d probably agree with him if there were no airplanes, ballistic missiles, submarines, ships and satellites.


11 posted on 07/03/2009 9:31:12 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
His arguments would be acceptable if there were no such thing as strategic nuclear missiles or bio-weapons.

So that's what Obama's going to use on us? I thought he was just going to destroy us from within with socialism.

12 posted on 07/03/2009 9:32:25 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Just say "No" to socialism.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Who needs those things to attack or destroy America? We just decided to commit national suicide. The rest of the world just needs to pull up a chair and watch America in her death throes.


14 posted on 07/03/2009 9:35:22 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Just say "No" to socialism.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

And those things can’t be defended against unless we have troops all over the world?


15 posted on 07/03/2009 9:37:16 AM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: mysterio

fyi


16 posted on 07/03/2009 9:38:01 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
"1. We do not abdicate American sovereignty to global institutions...
2. We provide a strong national defense, but we do not police the world...
3. We obey the Constitution and follow the rule of law...
4. We do not engage in nation-building...
5. We stay out of the internal affairs of other nations..."

Yeah, he sure is crazy./s

17 posted on 07/03/2009 9:38:52 AM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: JackRyanCIA

Good one.


18 posted on 07/03/2009 9:39:00 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Duck buddy, because here it comes...


19 posted on 07/03/2009 9:40:26 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: rabscuttle385

We tried fighting them over here, it ended badly on September 11, 2001.


20 posted on 07/03/2009 9:41:11 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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