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Editorial: Palin and Paul
The New York Sun ^ | 2009-10-10 | Unsigned Editorial

Posted on 10/10/2009 10:42:55 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Those of us who have been waiting for a politician to pick up on the monetary issue are perking up at Governor Palin’s demarche on the dollar. This came last week in a posting on her Facebook page, where she reacted to a report that Gulf oil producers were negotiating with Russia, China, Japan, and France to abandon the use of the dollar in pricing petroleum. She noted the report in the Wall Street Journal that Arab oil officials were denying the story, but reckoned that “even the possibility of such talk weakens the dollar and renews fears about its continued viability as an international reserve currency.” Then she pointed out that “a United Nations official called for a new global reserve currency to replace the dollar and end our ‘privilege’ to run up huge deficits.” Most importantly, she warned about the price of gold, which that day had hit a record in what she called a “response to fears about the weakened dollar.”

Time will tell, but what this suggests is that the former governor of Alaska is ahead of the rest of the undeclared contenders in 2012...

So Mrs. Palin’s comments suggest she’s savvier than many give her credit for being. No sooner did she issue her warning about the dollar than Reuters found a number of Republicans declaring she was right...

It is true that the only politician who has been campaigning on this issue, Ron Paul, failed to prosper at the polls. We would argue that had less to do with his monetary policy than other issues. Maybe he should have been a bidder for that famous lunch with the former Alaska governor. We’re not ready to make endorsements, but Palin and Paul would make a whale of a ticket.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Candidates; Issues
KEYWORDS: 2012; healthcare; lping; military; obama; palin; paulisnoconservative; realconservatives; ronpaul; sarahpalin; veterans
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1 posted on 10/10/2009 10:42:55 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; djsherin
*Ping!*
2 posted on 10/10/2009 10:43:20 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
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To: rabscuttle385

She is getting up to speed. To those that doubt this fantastic contender for 2012 better hold off on your negative comments. She is a very intelligent and a down to earth conservative Constitutionalists and deserves better than some of the comments.


3 posted on 10/10/2009 10:51:05 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ron Paul is 74 years old. He will be retiring soon. The question is who will carry on the Ron Paul REVOLution? The son, Rand Paul?


4 posted on 10/10/2009 10:53:17 AM PDT by yongin
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To: rabscuttle385
This will driver the contingent of Palin supporters who despise Paul bonkers.
5 posted on 10/10/2009 10:55:00 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: rabscuttle385

As long as Palin remains under the sway of Billy Kristol and her other neocon handlers, a Palin/Paul ticket is impossible.


6 posted on 10/10/2009 10:55:04 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: rabscuttle385
I wonder what the bigtime Palin supporters would do if Palin got cozy with Ron Paul. It'd be fun to watch. I think foreign policy is the real kicker. Will neoconservative foreign policy (Wilsonianism) continue to be the GOP policy? Will Palin break from this trend, or bow down to it? Is she neoconservative on foreign policy? Time will tell.

I think that is much more important than the social issues, however, Palin's big support among socons might suffer if she gets too close to Ron Paul.

Personally, I'd like to see the GOP become a lot more like Ron Paul, and a lot less like recent and current officeholders. Get serious about spending. Limit the role of the fedgov. And focus our foreign policy more on defense, less on adventurism and spreading democracy around the world.

7 posted on 10/10/2009 10:55:56 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Captain Kirk

That’s what I was wondering? Has she indicated, on her own, independent of McCain’s campaign, that she is in line with neocon foreign policy?


8 posted on 10/10/2009 10:57:02 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This will driver the contingent of Palin supporters who despise Paul bonkers.

You mean like most of them?

9 posted on 10/10/2009 10:58:27 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Definitely. The socons don’t like Paul because he truly adheres to limited gubmint and federalism. The neocons don’t like him because he rejects Wilsonian foreign policy. The conservative movement, when you pick it apart, is not really that conservative, or at least, not really that interested in original intent.


10 posted on 10/10/2009 10:58:28 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ron Paul, as right as he is on monetary issues, has alienated far too much of the Republican base to be a plus on any ticket. Palin already has credibility with his following and appears to be working to strengthen that credibility every day. She’s doing well enough on her own that I think it would be redundant to pick him as a running mate.

I just hope that she doesn’t have to choose Slick Willard as a VP to shut up the beltway RINO chattering class like Reagan had to do with Bush. It may have to happen though, because they’re just not going to shut up otherwise.

Palin is actually the best candidate I’ve seen since Reagan that can really maximize the Republican coalition. Far better than Bush43 ever was. The chattering class that hates her are a TINY percentage of the party base. Unfortunately, they’re a loud group and a group that the media loves to pay attention to.


11 posted on 10/10/2009 11:00:23 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Ron Paul, as right as he is on monetary issues, has alienated far too much of the Republican base

By my estimation, he's alienated two thirds of the base--the social conservatives, who favor big government in pursuit of their interests, and the neocons, who favor big government in pursuit of theirs.

The problem, I think, is that Dr Paul is correct, and the base is incorrect. Ah well, some problems have no solution. So it goes.

12 posted on 10/10/2009 11:03:09 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: rabscuttle385

I had thought the Sun had closed down. Have they simply retreated to a web presence—or did they sell such off to someone else? (I don’t recall them having been full Ron Paul types in the past.)


13 posted on 10/10/2009 11:03:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Captain Kirk

True.


14 posted on 10/10/2009 11:05:15 AM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I like Ron Paul and Governor Palin. Ron Paul is simply unelectable.


15 posted on 10/10/2009 11:05:47 AM PDT by DB9
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To: Captain Kirk

Still pushing that BS that because she signed onto a letter with Kristol’s name on it telling Zero to give the troops the resources to win means she’s a neocon right?


16 posted on 10/10/2009 11:05:58 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: rabscuttle385
Ron Paul, failed to prosper at the polls. We would argue that had less to do with his monetary policy than other issues.

Gee, think L. Ron's lunatic foreign policy had something to do with that?
17 posted on 10/10/2009 11:07:27 AM PDT by Uncle Ivan (Alea iacta est)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

[Palin is actually the best candidate I’ve seen since Reagan that can really maximize the Republican coalition. Far better than Bush43 ever was. The chattering class that hates her are a TINY percentage of the party base. Unfortunately, they’re a loud group and a group that the media loves to pay attention to.]

I met Palin’s parents and brother at a repub beer bash. They are rock solid NORMAL. Sarah is rock solid NORMAL. Not perfect, just not a reject from a freak show.

Add to this that Sarah’s own writings show she is coherent, as I’m sure her book will also show.

What that means is that after being hit by every bizarre attack imaginable, she will only get better in the public eye as she is introduced to more people on her terms.


18 posted on 10/10/2009 11:09:14 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Who are they? She sounds like she is listening to herself!!!


19 posted on 10/10/2009 11:09:48 AM PDT by GregB (God sent us Sarah Palin!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You know better than that. I NEVER said she was a neocon, only that she has been under the sway, especially in foreign policy matters, since Billy Kristol became her debate coach. This is undeniable. The documentary record virtually screams that that is true.

Please note that the other signers of that letter were a virtual who's who of neoconservatism. In any case, do you disagree with my larger point that a joint ticket is impossible? As you know, at EVERY opportunity Paul brings the argument back to a foreign policy approach which is diametrically opposed that advocated by Palin.

20 posted on 10/10/2009 11:09:51 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Huck
Ron Paul is a devout Christian who has been married to the same woman for over 50 years and has a staunch pro-life record. You can't get any more social conservative than that.

I think you're confusing Palin's social conservatism with that of the base that supported Bush and Huckabee's big government social conservatism. While a social conservative, Palin doesn't espouse the nanny-state aspect of it.

21 posted on 10/10/2009 11:09:56 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

If the beltway chattering class had its way, the 2012 ticket would be Willard / T-Paw and lose to Obama.

Then in 2016, beltway chattering class would force Jeb Bush on the GOP base.


22 posted on 10/10/2009 11:10:19 AM PDT by yongin
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To: FastCoyote

It must have been a terrific time to meet Chuck Heath. Who is Heath endorsing for Reid’s opponent? Sue Lowden or Tarkinson?


23 posted on 10/10/2009 11:13:07 AM PDT by yongin
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To: Captain Kirk
Mrs Palin isn't under anyone's “sway” so you can cease with your futile attempts at smearing this brilliant lady.
24 posted on 10/10/2009 11:17:35 AM PDT by jla
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
When I say socon, I mean big gubmint socon. They are one and the same to me. I didn't mean to say anything about Paul personally.

But what you consider a staunch pro-life record isn't what socons think. Correct me if I am wrong, but he wants to let the states sort it out for themselves. That's not good enough for socons.

On other social issues as well. He is against the fed gov defining marriage. He does not believe the fedgov should do anything to counteract the homosexual rights agenda. He doesn't support a constitutional marriage amendment. Etc.

I'm fine with all of that. But the socons are not. They want to use the fedgov to pursue their aims, even when it's not constitutional.

Then there's the war on drugs. And I think the socons probably share a bit with the neocons, when it comes to our foreign policy role vis a vis Israel.

So while I am sure he's a fine man. He's not a socon. And that's pretty much a compliment.

25 posted on 10/10/2009 11:20:15 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Captain Kirk
I NEVER said she was a neocon

But you're using guilt-by-association tactics to imply that she is.

only that she has been under the sway, especially in foreign policy matters, since Billy Kristol became her debate coach.

He's not her debate coach now nor will he be if she decides to run in her own right.

Please note that the other signers of that letter were a virtual who's who of neoconservatism.

How does that translate into Palin supporting a neo-conservative foreign policy though?

In any case, do you disagree with my larger point that a joint ticket is impossible?

It would be impossible because of Paul's age and the fact that he already said he's not running again in 2012, not because of any perceived ideological differences. And that Palin wouldn't be another VP pick again. Palin would have been Paul's VP choice had he won the nominaton, and this is part of the reason why McCain chose her.

As you know, at EVERY opportunity Paul brings the argument back to a foreign policy approach which is diametrically opposed that advocated by Palin.

Well, Palin figures our troops are there. She has a son serving in the military and she enjoys widespread from the military and their families. Do you really think she's going to advocate an immediate withdrawal like Paul has?

26 posted on 10/10/2009 11:20:17 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: rabscuttle385

Just remember this.

The MSM do not have permission from Constitutional Conservatives to choose our Presidential Candidates.

Sarah Palin is a given for some of us . . . but SHE chooses her own Vice President (even if I want it to be Michele Bachmann).

Do Not Allow The MSM to Pull Us Into Another “McCain” Crisis.

The Contender for TOTUS must be OUR choice and ours alone.


27 posted on 10/10/2009 11:22:34 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (2012 -- Sarah Palin for President, Michele Bachmann for VP, Liz Cheney for Sec of State!)
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To: Uncle Ivan
L. Ron's lunatic foreign policy had something to do with that?

I think that's a big part. The GOP, and most of the base, subscibe to Wilsonian interventionist foreign policy. His unwillingness to use the fedgov in pursuit of social conservative goals is another reason. That's two legs of the stool right there. I say break the stool all ready. We'd be better off with a pogo stick. Neoconservatism is a failure. And the socons, while good people, are too willing to use big gubmint when it suits them.

28 posted on 10/10/2009 11:23:01 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Huck

Thanks for clarifying. I too support Paul’s version of social conservatism, although I personally believe that there should be a constitutional amendment banning abortion.


29 posted on 10/10/2009 11:27:49 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why would Palin pick a neophyte like Paul to run with?

She has a totally different foreign policy and military understanding than Paul. She wouldn't want to touch his views on those subjects with 20' pole.

30 posted on 10/10/2009 11:27:54 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Well, it's complicated, I guess. The incorporation of the 14th amendment muddies the water in a big way, because it gets the feds down into the weeds where the states should rightly prevail. In classic republican (small r) theory, the state governments have a higher legitimacy than the national gubmint, because they are smaller and closer to the people they represent, and more closely reflect the mores and attitudes of that particular region.

On what grounds can one say the fed gov knows better? And anyway, considering how much state support is needed to pass an amendment, why not just let them deal with it?

Well, then there's Roe v Wade. Will it be overturned? If not, then there's another case for an amendment, but I would like to see an amendment that merely nullifies Roe, and gives the authority back to the state gubmints.

That would leave some states with legal abortion. Probably most would have some restrictions. Many would ban it outright. That's good enough for me. When it comes to these issues, we should feel no more entitled to tell California what to do than we feel entitled to tell Sweden what to do. The basis of our Union is not to govern from the top down. It's merely supposed to let us work together where we must--infrastructure, defense, commerce. The rest should be left to each state, and they should be free to govern in a way that suits their neighbors or doesn't.

31 posted on 10/10/2009 11:35:01 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: yongin

[It must have been a terrific time to meet Chuck Heath. Who is Heath endorsing for Reid’s opponent? Sue Lowden or Tarkinson?]

I think Chuck was here for Tarkanian.

Insiders think Danny is too clueless, an Ensign lite (if that is possible). Lowden is better, but also has hurdles. I heard an interesting exposition that Amodei from up north will be the sleeper who prevails because of the primary turnout stats in the north. Sounded convincing, but I don’t believe everything I hear.


32 posted on 10/10/2009 11:36:46 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s good to see that Palin is getting at least some recognition for the multitude of things that she has been right about.

I still think that the upsurge in attacks upon her over the last few weeks, Schmidt, Murphy, the MSM, etc., is the result of the very strong sales her book has seen since it went into pre-release sales mode.

Here’s an update on Going Rogue: An American Life:

#1 at Amazon in non-fiction (#3 among all books)
#1 at Barnes and Noble in non-fiction (#4 among all books)
#1 at Books a million in non-fiction
#1 at Borders
#1 at WalMart for pre-release titles
#2 at Family Christian Stores (even at the full $28.99
price)

I’m not sure how many books this translates into, but a publishing industry insider, quoted by Politico just 2 days after sales started, pronounced the sales “phenomenal.”

If these numbers hold up over the next 2 or 3 weeks, who knows, we may see the publisher announce that the initial press run of 1.5 million will be increased due to unexpectedly heavy sales.

It should be noted that 0bama’s books, Audacity of Hope, and Dreams from my Father have sold a combined total of about 1.44 million. Bill Clinton’s book sold 1.3 million and Hillary’s 1.2 million.


33 posted on 10/10/2009 11:37:14 AM PDT by euram
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To: Huck
That’s what I was wondering? Has she indicated, on her own, independent of McCain’s campaign, that she is in line with neocon foreign policy?

Yes, when she signed with joint letter. See here. Take a careful look at the other signers of the letter.

34 posted on 10/10/2009 11:39:18 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Yes. It looks like a neocon playoff roster. I wonder if anyone in the GOP has a chance unless they are neocon. It's like the fix is in. I mean, aren't the big talk show guys all totally in line with it too? Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin. They all buy into it. Same goes for Fox News, right? Anytime someone deviates from the script, they get marginalized. And you basically can't have a rational discussion regarding Israel and what we should or shouldn't do for them. I hesitate to even bring it up.

Anyway, if a bunch of goombas can form an organization, and run trucking, construction, gambling, vending machines, waste disposal, etc, it's hard to believe that somehow government isn't in the end another form of organized crime. It almost seems quaintly naiive to think it's anything but rotten to the core.

35 posted on 10/10/2009 11:47:07 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: rabscuttle385

yep


36 posted on 10/10/2009 11:48:40 AM PDT by usshadley (It's time to choose..the empire or the republic? You can't have both. Time is running out.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Palin would have been Paul's VP choice had he won the nominaton, and this is part of the reason why McCain chose her.

Did he say this? I didn't know that at all.

37 posted on 10/10/2009 11:49:11 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Lakeshark

We’re all trying to jump on a bandwagon that hasn’t even gotten here yet. Palin has yet to declare her run for the nomination. If she does and if she gets the nomination, then she gets to pick a VP running mate. Then if she wins the election she gets to pick cabinet members.

I’d like to see Ronb Paul as Sec. of the Treasury or chairman of the Fed. I think he could do some real good in either of those offices.


38 posted on 10/10/2009 11:49:31 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart

“Ronb”=”Ron. Sorry... fat fingers.


39 posted on 10/10/2009 11:54:27 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart

I understand that, and agree with what you are saying. I like Sarah, but we’ve got a long time to go before we vote for our best candidate to unseat zero.


40 posted on 10/10/2009 12:00:37 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: DB9
Ron Paul is simply unelectable.

I think he's great on most issues, except for the part where he seems to be sleeping with Code Pink. The other campaign killer is that he looks like he might snap and open fire at any second.

41 posted on 10/10/2009 1:40:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Captain Kirk; Gondring; ...

Ping


42 posted on 10/10/2009 1:41:41 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Re: Neocon accusations, please go to the source herself. Here’s what Sarah said in Hong Kong:

“I am not talking about some U.S.-led “democracy crusade.” We cannot impose our values on other counties. Nor should we seek to ...”

More here:
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#/note.php?note_id=139069028434

So please stop spreading this accusation, thanks so much, CK.


43 posted on 10/10/2009 3:27:52 PM PDT by hrh40
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To: rabscuttle385

I still think Paul would be good as Secretary of the Treasury.


44 posted on 10/10/2009 3:33:57 PM PDT by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: hrh40

Good one.


45 posted on 10/10/2009 4:10:04 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: Huck
When I say socon, I mean big gubmint socon. They are one and the same to me. I didn't mean to say anything about Paul personally.
But what you consider a staunch pro-life record isn't what socons think. Correct me if I am wrong, but he wants to let the states sort it out for themselves. That's not good enough for socons.

On other social issues as well. He is against the fed gov defining marriage. He does not believe the fedgov should do anything to counteract the homosexual rights agenda. He doesn't support a constitutional marriage amendment. Etc.

I'm fine with all of that. But the socons are not. They want to use the fedgov to pursue their aims, even when it's not constitutional.

Then there's the war on drugs. And I think the socons probably share a bit with the neocons, when it comes to our foreign policy role vis a vis Israel.

So while I am sure he's a fine man. He's not a socon. And that's pretty much a compliment.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Best post in awhile.

I am more of a Paul conservative than a Palin conservative.

I also am a social conservative but I don't believe the Fedzilla should be used to implement that. Terri Shiavo is a perfect example of what went wrong with politically active social conservatives

46 posted on 10/10/2009 5:01:33 PM PDT by rasl04 (Reagan/Goldwater 2012)
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To: yongin

...Seems to be the legacy. His record seems to lean that way. He’s in the race for Sen. Bunnings seat. As much as I would like this amendment repealed, if it’s the law, I better vote. I support him for Senator from Kentucky...


47 posted on 10/10/2009 5:21:51 PM PDT by gargoyle (...My thoughts are not seditious, or treasonous, they're revolutionary...)
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To: yongin
Ron Paul is 74 years old. He will be retiring soon. The question is who will carry on the Ron Paul REVOLution? The son, Rand Paul?

Agree, Ron Paul will be retiring soon, maybe after this term.

i STRONGLY hope that it is more than one man (or woman) who replaces him.

Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Rand Paul, Paul Braun, Peter Schiff, and others are likely candidates to do so.

Although i like Ron Paul, and supported his bid for the Republican nomination, i hope the next spokesman is more articulate.

i'd even be happy with the spokesman that Ron Paul was during his Libertarian Presidential campaign back in 88.

Comparing the two runs, it becomes self-evident that age is taking it's toll on Paul.

48 posted on 10/10/2009 7:39:36 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: yongin

>>>Ron Paul is 74 years old. He will be retiring soon. The question is who will carry on the Ron Paul REVOLution?

Cindy Sheehan can carry the torch. They agree on most issues it seems, and both are certifiable. It’s a natural.


49 posted on 10/10/2009 9:15:07 PM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb

Palin should go after the Federal Reserve. While Paul is a Jeffersonian, Palin is a strait out Jacksonian. I don’t see her as a Wilsonian Neo-Con at all, but rather a defend the homeland hawk. Reagan was a Jacksonian as well. We need an alliance between Jacksonians and Jeffersonians to drive the Hamitonians and Wilsonians out of the party. Palin can win back the Jacksonanian Democrats that Reagan won.


50 posted on 10/11/2009 10:45:47 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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