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How the West Should Deal With Our Enemies, the Muslims

Posted on 12/28/2009 4:34:30 PM PST by Zanton

How much more evil does Islam have to visit upon the West before the West finally decides to decently fight back? How many more attempted massacres of 289 innocents, like Christmas Day over Detroit? How many more successful massacres like Bali (10/12/02), Madrid (3/11/04), London (7/7/05), Mumbai (7/11/06), Mumbai (11/26/08), and New York (9/11/01)? Does anyone seriously doubt that the Muslims are fanatically determined -- at the very least -- to set off simultaneous suitcase nuclear bombs in Washington DC and New York City? The likelihood here is they will succeed!

The West ought to hate Islam. We ought to hate the Muslims who believe in and practice it. Why don't we? It's sick, sad, and surreal that we don't.

But if -- in response to these never-ending horrors and outrages from Islam -- we don't choose to wipe Muslims from the face of the earth, at the least we should drive them from our midst. Why are these savages and demons allowed to live amongst us? Why must we permanently live -- trembling and cowering -- with the terror they always bring?

Is the West going to turn into Israel -- that great home of Muslim appeasment, Muslim submission, self-hatred, and self-destruction? In a desperate, pathetic longing for security, are we going to become a league of garrison states -- because we've foolishly, depravedly chosen to live cheek-by-jowl with monstrous fiends who loath our very being and seek to anihilate us? Is the West going to become a series of police states -- of highly regimented, tighly controlled, fascist tyrannies -- forever in a state of prison lockdown?

The fact is these jihad-loving bastards are malevolent destroyers who should be stopped. They're menacing, mauranding, malicious dragons that need, at long last, to be slayed. Muslims -- with their loyalty to loathsome Islam -- constitute a societal cancer and cultural bubonic plague that needs to be summarily excised form the body Western. All active and passive supporters of jihad need to be forcibly removed from our vulnerable, precious civilization -- if not terminated.

The answer is simple: kick them out.


TOPICS: General Discussion; Issues
KEYWORDS: freedom; islam; libertarianism; muslims

1 posted on 12/28/2009 4:34:31 PM PST by Zanton
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To: Zanton

“slayed” is not the correct past tense of the verb “slay”. The correct form is “slain”.


2 posted on 12/28/2009 4:42:09 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

LOL That kinda took the steam out of his rant!


3 posted on 12/28/2009 4:47:27 PM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: Zanton
Why must we permanently live -- trembling and cowering --

Speak for yourself, Sparky.

4 posted on 12/28/2009 4:48:43 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Zanton

They could nuke one or more of our cities and we’d still hear about “don’t get carried away and have an anti-muslim backlash”, it might upset someone.


5 posted on 12/28/2009 4:49:31 PM PST by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: Zanton
The problem is that the most powerful man in the world and his buddys are in charge. They seem to think that if this guy had blown up that airplane all the ones who voted for him would have landed safely to the ground. They do not want to kill THEM. Which is totaly wrong. They are the first ones that would be killed.
6 posted on 12/28/2009 4:50:12 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne)
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To: Zanton
Is the West going to turn into Israel -- that great home of Muslim appeasment, Muslim submission, self-hatred, and self-destruction?

Put down the bong and step away from the keyboard...

7 posted on 12/28/2009 4:50:40 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Little Pig
“slayed” is not the correct past tense of the verb “slay”. The correct form is “slain”.

Slain, Slayed, .38, .39 whatever it takes. It is high time we give them what they give us. Let Obama kneel and the hem of their skirt, I won't. We should not only kick their butts on the airplane where they try this crap, we should defile them by sticking a ham sandwich in their maw and letting them choke on it. Let them feel the same hate toward them. Every airplane should have pigskin bodybags that we can haul the carcass of these bastards in. And let it be shown before television cameras. Mess with us, we send you to Hell. Literally.
8 posted on 12/28/2009 4:50:43 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: Zanton

Every time we have an incident, we find we have one less mosques at next Saturday count. There, I said it.


9 posted on 12/28/2009 4:52:25 PM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: Zanton

I have a better plan....Build a DOOMSDAY SYSTEM. Build enough cruise missles to target every Mosque in the world and set them to hit simultaniously. Then build a computer system that launches automatically. The DOOMSDAY SYSTEM once set can never be turned off. The next time a Muslim Terrorist attacks innocent people...KA_BOOM!!! It would be far less expensive than all this dithering and bickering about it.


10 posted on 12/28/2009 4:52:44 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Zanton

The problem is that the most powerful man in the world and his buddys are in charge. They seem to think that they can talk to these terrorists. Makes no sense to me.


11 posted on 12/28/2009 4:53:39 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne)
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To: Zanton

btt


12 posted on 12/28/2009 4:55:46 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Zanton

Please....don’t hold back.

Tell us how you REALLY feel!

;^)


13 posted on 12/28/2009 4:56:09 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: exnavy

It was deliberate, posted just to see how the author took it, and to his/her credit, the author was quite polite. The words in the original were strong enough that I fully expected mouth-foam and rants about how I wasn’t taking the Loss of Liberty and Truth seriously, but instead I got a sane response simply saying they wished they could edit it.


14 posted on 12/28/2009 4:58:14 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: SAMWolf
"They could nuke one or more of our cities and we’d still hear about “don’t get carried away and have an anti-muslim backlash”, it might upset someone."

This is painfully true. Political correctness and multiculturalism rule us more than reason and logic. :-(

15 posted on 12/28/2009 5:00:38 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: ColdOne

The first job of the government is self-defense. The President and Congress aren’t doing their job. They believe in “moral equivalency” and “cultural relativism” — and avoiding being called a “racist.”


16 posted on 12/28/2009 5:04:06 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: Bad Jack Bauer
"It is high time we give them what they give us. Let Obama kneel and the hem of their skirt, I won't. We should not only kick their butts on the airplane where they try this crap, we should defile them by sticking a ham sandwich in their maw and letting them choke on it. Let them feel the same hate toward them. Every airplane should have pigskin bodybags that we can haul the carcass of these bastards in. And let it be shown before television cameras. Mess with us, we send you to Hell. Literally."

Bravo! :-) You're no surrender monkey!

17 posted on 12/28/2009 5:06:38 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: WestwardHo
"Every time we have an incident, we find we have one less mosques at next Saturday count."

We should aim for the mosques and madrassas with the worst believers in jihad. And all the various dictators -- who ultimately fund most of this evil.

18 posted on 12/28/2009 5:10:41 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: Zanton
You do realize your preaching to the choir here?
19 posted on 12/28/2009 5:10:42 PM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: screaminsunshine
"I have a better plan....Build a DOOMSDAY SYSTEM. Build enough cruise missles to target every Mosque in the world and set them to hit simultaniously. Then build a computer system that launches automatically. The DOOMSDAY SYSTEM once set can never be turned off. The next time a Muslim Terrorist attacks innocent people...KA_BOOM!!! It would be far less expensive than all this dithering and bickering about it."

The ultimate answer is philosophical knowledge and moral self-confidence. That will result in proper and energetic self-defense based on justice -- and not today's appeasement and PC.

20 posted on 12/28/2009 5:15:24 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: Zanton

Drown them in swine blood?


21 posted on 12/28/2009 5:16:30 PM PST by rsobin
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To: SAMWolf
I do believe, despite all Political Correctness, that we have a right to hate present-day Muslim adherents in our midst. Many Muslims are trying to kill as many of us as possible at one time, others are cheering for the first group, others both here and abroad financially support the first group, and virtually none of them are involved in measures to put a stop to killing Americans on the American soil or abroad.

Many of their leaders have openly declared their intent and connived ways to take over our nation, supplant our Constitution and laws with their Shariah law, and kill all who would refuse to submit to Islam.

Their terrorists have cost us dearly in American lives, in lost productivity, an increasingly terrorized American citizenry, and large expenditures oriented to rooting out this group's terrorist activities.

To the extent the above description is true, it qualifies a group to be detestable, IMHO. I do detest the the group that has done these things and cost us so dearly. I hate them. I have a right to hate them and I am right to hate them. We all have ample reason to hate them and no longer welcome them to our midst.

Thanks for allowing me to share my opinion that I have developed now over much more than a decade.

HF

22 posted on 12/28/2009 5:16:34 PM PST by holden
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To: exnavy
"You do realize your preaching to the choir here?"

Not really. I think my answer is pretty new and radical. And I truly do want every single lover of jihad kicked the hell out.

23 posted on 12/28/2009 5:20:40 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: rsobin
Drown them in swine blood?

No...simple solution.. announce that the next suicide bomber ANYWHERE, will result in the nuclear destruction of Mecca.

After Mecca, each suicide bomber will result in the destruction of 10 Mosque's.

24 posted on 12/28/2009 5:28:50 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: Zanton

Right but that would be too advanced for our civilization. My Doomsday system would solve the problem for sure. One way or another. I would have a “special” missle for the Imams well in Iran and the Mecca co-ordinates would take a couple extra missles. Then we would see how faithful the Barbarians really are. Kind of like a high tech mouse trap. Once tripped there could be no stopping it. Sometimes you have to fight insanity...with insanity.


25 posted on 12/28/2009 5:33:01 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Little Pig
“slayed” is not the correct past tense of the verb “slay”. The correct form is “slain”.

Well, it is not the correct passive perfect tense spelling, which was the context in which it appeared. You are right.

26 posted on 12/28/2009 5:37:19 PM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: Zanton
Love your FR home page: "I also think life is a wonderous gift to be Enjoyed and Celebrated at all times! :-)"

Are you bi-polar?

28 posted on 12/28/2009 5:40:29 PM PST by matt1234
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To: Zanton
Not to mention....Those elite, (primarily Ivy-League) American asshats which claim to be "journalists". They have lost all professional credibility in my book.

This was a MAJOR national security breach and an attack (even if failed in part) upon the United States of America, on the day we celebrate Jesus' birth.

And they are asleep at the wheel, either through incompetence or political correct design.

Hey guys, SURPRISE! Wake up and smell the Nigerian coffee, you dingbats!


29 posted on 12/28/2009 5:45:18 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Each contemptuous Senate Democrat is thinking: "Oh, it will all blow over by spring--they'll forget")
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To: Zanton

Sadly another major attack on US by Islamic terrorists will ignite more people like this author and lead to violence directed at anyone even resembling a Muslim...much like in 1942 when Asians in general were targets for violence. Where their wrath should be directed is at our government which denies that a threat from Islamic fascism even exists and fails to keep us safe.


30 posted on 12/28/2009 5:50:19 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: matt1234
"Are you bi-polar?"

Nah. Just a tad opposed to being needlessly, horrifically slaughtered by monsters. :-)

31 posted on 12/28/2009 6:27:57 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: The Great RJ
"Sadly another major attack on US by Islamic terrorists will ignite more people like this author and lead to violence directed at anyone even resembling a Muslim...much like in 1942 when Asians in general were targets for violence. Where their wrath should be directed is at our government which denies that a threat from Islamic fascism even exists and fails to keep us safe."

Don't worry. No one else is "like" me -- or even close. I'm unique.

But for the record: I favor justice toward Muslims -- not cruelty. Kicking them out doesn't deprive them of one penny nor jail them for one minute.

32 posted on 12/28/2009 6:32:20 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: Foul Mouthed Retread
"It’s easy to decide what to do with the muslims, do to them what they want to do to us.....Kill every one of them, man, woman, child, burn their villages, kill all their animals, then spread salt on the ground so nothing will every grow there again...and just remember one thing...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MODERATE MUSLIM.....Just make up your mind, it’s either us or them...."

The evil we face is moderate or mainstream Muslims -- not radicals or extremists. The regular, average, historical, current, "good" Muslims are the ones who favor jihad (war) against all, and sharia (slavery) for all.

33 posted on 12/28/2009 6:36:48 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: screaminsunshine

Reason is the most powerful force in the universe. I think we need to visit true justice upon them — not kindness or cruelty. If they actually got what’s coming to them, what they long ago objectively earned...they’d really suffer.


34 posted on 12/28/2009 6:41:52 PM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: Zanton

Yes. Hence the Doomsday System. The perfect plan. Do you think a Muslim would terrorize if the Muslim knew that by his action he would automatically blow up every religious Muslim place in the world all at once?


35 posted on 12/28/2009 6:53:47 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Zanton

I truly doubt that the muzzies would nuke Washington—too many of their friends in Congress and the Senate....


36 posted on 12/28/2009 11:02:17 PM PST by contrarian (Don't blame me-- I didn't vote for him)
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To: Zanton

Ping


37 posted on 12/29/2009 1:19:47 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Zanton

1. Start profiling all muslims and islamists at airports, bus and train stations for extra security procedures. Remove any and all religous protections from islam and its’ adherents, declare it a cult or political philosophy that is inimical to our Constitution and our customs and values as Americans. Call the followers of sharia what they are, BARBARIANS. If they are found to be involved in so called “honor killings” execute the killer(s), deport all members of the family and their relatives back to whatever hellhole they came from immediately. If naturalized citizens strip them of citizenship then deport. If native born citizens exile them. Warn all barbarians that if attacks continue we move to step 2.

2. Close all mosques, pull all visas both current and pending. End all inbound travel from barbarian countries including Eurabia, whether business, tourist, student, etc. except diplomatic travel. Place severe restrictions on diplomatic travel, similar to the restrictions placed on communist diplomats in the ‘50s and 60’s. Deport all barbarians currently here for slightest infraction of our laws to include speeding and parking tickets, maybe even jaywalking. If a barbarian leaves the country voluntarily he or she is gone permanently. If attacks continue move to step 3.

3. Take out Qom, Karbala, and the al aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and other third rate sites important to the barbaric belief. If attacks continue step 4.

4. Take out Medina and Mecca. Also takeover all oil fields and production. If ...

5. Shoot on sight.

Any questions?


38 posted on 12/29/2009 5:02:46 AM PST by jjr153 (Never Forget 9/11)
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Yes.

Who's going to do these things with a Democrat President and a Democratic Congress?

39 posted on 12/29/2009 5:48:12 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Each contemptuous Senate Democrat is thinking: "Oh, it will all blow over by spring--they'll forget")
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To: jjr153
Brilliant, jjr153! :-) I agree with basically every word you wrote!

I definitely want all Muslims deported -- whether visitors or citizens -- if they show even a hint of loyalty for jihad (killing innocent Americans) or sharia (enslaving innocent Americans). At the least, I'd love to have a temporary ten-year breathing space of no Muslims in our country until, say, 2020. Maybe they'd be inspired to clean up their act -- here and everywhere -- and undergo a Renaissance-style Reformation. It's long overdue.

I also agree that prominent and even historically-valuable mosques and madrassas should be targeted. Also Medina and Mecca. If they perpetrate too many more atrocities upon us -- BOOM!

And virtually all "their" oil was stolen from us (mostly from America, Britain, France, and Holland) via the lame scam known as "nationalization." This is far and away the greatest theft in the history of man -- and it funds jihad and world tyranny immensely. Even without all the jihadi attacks the West should still take back our oil!

Nice hearing all your perceptive, incisive, scintillating views, jjr153! I wish you were in Congress -- or the White House!! :-)

40 posted on 12/29/2009 7:21:10 AM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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To: Zanton

A very well written and tightly reasoned polemic. Sadly Freepers ate unable or unwilling to offer any substantive response to this piece and make snide little meaningless comments.

It is symptomatic of the degredafion of our culture and sadly stands as the all too revealing attitude of the majority.

Lawrence Auster has written at length about the need to seperate from Islam on his sight View From The Right. He Is a very clear thinker and writer. Among the fundamental insights he has is that liberalism has become so ingrained in our culture that even most conservative thought is constrained by its basic axioms. Thus even at a leading conservative discussion forum the true traditionalist view is infathomable.


41 posted on 12/29/2009 8:12:27 AM PST by Jack Black
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Bush was almost identical to Obama in this regard. He chose the term “war on terror’ which helped defuse anger about Islam. He used the absurd ‘hijacked religion’ and cotiuously sold the story line that it is only a few bad apples that we somehow must identify.

He was, obviosly, more effective in managing our defense. But coceptually he viewed Islam the same way Zero does.


42 posted on 12/29/2009 8:20:34 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
"A very well written and tightly reasoned polemic. Sadly Freepers ate unable or unwilling to offer any substantive response to this piece and make snide little meaningless comments.

It is symptomatic of the degredafion of our culture and sadly stands as the all too revealing attitude of the majority."

Many thanks for the compliments, Jack Black! Of all the feedback, I enjoyed your comments the most. I especially liked the first line!

I don't mind the persiflage from shocked Freepers. I'm a true radical. So I basically deserve it -- or at least I'm asking for it. I'm just grateful FR owner Jim Robinson allows as much freedom, energy, and passion as he does here. He's a true hero.

But I may disagree with you a bit in that I don't think the "true traditionalist view" you indirectly promote is all that perfect. The Founding Fathers made many errors.

First off, they sought to "promote the general welfare" when they should have favored the individual welfare. Now this is almost collectivism!

They also allowed Congress to lay taxes, impose import/export duties, coin and borrow money, regulate interstate commerce, establish post offices and roads, etc.

All wrong! :-(

43 posted on 01/01/2010 10:00:31 AM PST by Zanton (a polite & open-minded, but fierce, advocate of classical liberalism & libertarianism)
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