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Left and Right Try to Stop the Rand Paul Revolution (Southern Avenger)
Campaign for Liberty ^ | 2010-06-01 | Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger

Posted on 06/01/2010 1:41:24 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

The day after Republican Rand Paul's landslide primary victory in Kentucky, the mainstream Left tried to paint him as a segregationist, while the mainstream Right either ignored or attacked him. And for good reason. Like his father Ron, Rand represents revolution, and the establishment is petrified.

Let's begin with the Left. Afraid that they can't beat a conservative Republican of Paul's pedigree in the Tea Party-influenced, anti-Obama political climate of 2010, liberals are trying to run against him in 1964. Cherry-picking irrelevant references Paul has made about private property rights and how they could possibly relate to the Civil Rights Act or even the Americans with Disabilities Act, Democrats are trying to portray Rand the libertarian as a closeted Klansman who secretly hates "coloreds" and "cripples."

It's no surprise that in any discussion about government intrusiveness and private business, race-obsessed liberals immediately equate free will and free markets with Jim Crow. When MSNBC's Rachel Maddow hysterically brought up the specter of segregated lunch counters during an interview with Paul, author Thomas Woods noted the absurdity of even having such a conversation today. Writing for The American Conservative, Woods says: "Any non-hysteric knows a segregated restaurant would be boycotted and picketed out of existence within 10 seconds, but we're supposed to fret about fictional outcomes from the repeal of a law that will never be repealed." Fictional indeed.

And portraying Paul as somehow being anti-black is no different than conservatives who portray antiwar protesters as anti-American; in both cases, legitimate concerns by citizens about the actions of their government are misconstrued to imply horrible and untrue things about the concerned. Liberals howl when right-wing talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck call President Obama "racist," and now the Left shamelessly borrows from their playbook.

But it's not just the Left who are upset over the rapid ascent of America's next top conservative idol. Former Bush speechwriter David Frum finds Paul to be as "extreme" as liberals do, writing on the day after the election, "Rand Paul's victory in the Kentucky Republican primary is obviously a depressing event for those who support strong national defense and rational conservative politics."

Frum's preferred candidate in the Kentucky primary, Trey Grayson, was not only a former Bill Clinton Democrat but a George W. Bush Republican who deviated rarely from the party establishment and heartily received their endorsement. Both former Vice President Dick Cheney and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell lined up behind Grayson in a desperate attempt to prevent Paul from winning. With Paul trouncing Grayson 59 percent to 34 percent, the old Republican guard lost in a Randslide.

Fashioning himself and his Bush league friends as supporters of "strong national defense" and "rational conservative politics," it doesn't take much investigation to discover what Frum believes "rational conservative politics" to be: a return to a GOP brand that today's grassroots conservatives reject most — big-spending, debt-doubling neoconservatism. Disaffected Republicans turned Tea Partiers are not as enamored with America's ventures in Iraq and Afghanistan as they once were, and they aren't so in love with war that they will ignore the continued growth of big government, a narrative Bush and the neocons successfully used for eight years to keep rank-and-file Republicans in line. Frum's fear is that Kentuckians, and Americans at large, might be encouraged to actually think about the wisdom of American foreign policy.

And this fear extends to conservative talk radio, where on the day after Paul's victory, hosts Limbaugh and Sean Hannity said next to nothing about it. Compare their silence to the election of Scott Brown, the Massachusetts senator who received wall-to-wall coverage in the conservative media. Why was there so much excitement for this moderate-to-liberal Republican from Massachusetts? That's easy. Brown was a conventional Republican who excited the conservative base without upsetting the GOP establishment. Paul is the opposite. The Hill's John Feehery notes the difference: "Rand Paul will be more than the skunk at the garden party in the U.S. Senate. He will be subversive when it comes to critical Republican orthodoxies." Like his father, Rand is the Republican establishment's worst nightmare.

It's somewhat appropriate that liberals would go all the way back to 1964 in order to attack Rand, because his rise truly is the resurgence of a Barry Goldwater-style, limited-government philosophy. Goldwater's politics were once the bedrock of American conservatism, but today those beliefs are controversial, not only to the Left with its race obsession, but the mainstream Right, which fails to find virtue in Rand's "extremist" brand of liberty. This ridiculous, two-party status quo restricts substantive debate, impedes real reform, and begs for revolution. And whether the establishment likes it or not, Rand Paul just might give it to them.


TOPICS: Candidates; Issues
KEYWORDS: apaulling; apaulogia; apaulogist; liebertarians; paulbearers; randpaul; southernavenger; teaparty; teapartyrebellion

1 posted on 06/01/2010 1:41:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; Bokababe; dcwusmc

fyi


2 posted on 06/01/2010 1:41:37 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t know this Paul at all, so I will not assume he as a looney as his old man and I do expect and welcome his election in the fall.

The Libertarian belief in weak national security will always seperate them from the conservative movement.


3 posted on 06/01/2010 1:46:38 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1

“The Libertarian belief in weak national security...”
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That is a fallacy.

Non-interventionist policy does not equate to weak.


4 posted on 06/01/2010 1:56:41 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: camp_steveo

Yea it does. Paul’s foreign policy is a joke. He is a “blame America” apoligist for terrorist and has now even exposed himsef as a pervert who wants to weaken the military more so based upon his perverted morality.


5 posted on 06/01/2010 1:58:47 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: rabscuttle385

For the author of this article to make the claim that conservatives falsely accuse the anti-war movement of being anti-America shows how ignorant he is. While I will not be able to stay online and debate this, there are mountains of evidence showing the anti-war movements anti-American nature.


6 posted on 06/01/2010 2:05:53 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: camp_steveo

Libertarians are not only non-interventionist they are anti-self defense. Big problem for me and other conservatives.


7 posted on 06/01/2010 2:07:20 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: rabscuttle385

Agree with most of it. But not the comparison to Brown. The excitement ovre Brown was all because we finally thought that his election would be the end of Obamacare. I don’t think people were excited about Brown himself, they were excited because he meant the end of Obamacare.

If everyone knew that his election wouldn’t really end up changing anything, there wouldn’t have been nearly as much attention.

And now that he’s shown himself to be a relatively moderate guy so far, you’ve seen the excitement ebb.


8 posted on 06/01/2010 2:11:13 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: rabscuttle385
Paul is the opposite. The Hill's John Feehery notes the difference: "Rand Paul will be more than the skunk at the garden party in the U.S. Senate. He will be subversive when it comes to critical Republican orthodoxies." Like his father, Rand is the Republican establishment's worst nightmare.

If "Ayn" Rand Paul is like his dad on foreign policy then he will be a nightmare to all who are reasonable.

9 posted on 06/01/2010 2:13:57 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: TheBigIf

He is a “blame America” apoligist for terrorist”
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Do you actually believe that the US govt has never done any wrong? LMFAO

Everyone wants to blame the govt for everything, but when someone points out a flawed policy, specifically flawed foreign policy, people can’t accept that.

That’s like people calling for throwing the bums out of Congress, but then voting for their own Congressman because he isn’t the bad one...LOL
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“It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” – George Washington
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“Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.” - Thomas Jefferson

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“The Original American Foreign Policy”
by Ron Paul

READ IT:

http://mises.org/daily/2514


10 posted on 06/01/2010 2:14:02 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: rabscuttle385
And this fear extends to conservative talk radio, where on the day after Paul's victory, hosts Limbaugh and Sean Hannity said next to nothing about it.

He has a pretty loose definition of "next to nothing." They may not have gone wall to wall with it, but they did mention Paul's victory, and they defended him against the Left's efforts to peg him as a racist. The Scott Brown election was big because it broke the Dems' filibuster proof majority, not to mention that a center-right candidate won in Massachusetts.
11 posted on 06/01/2010 2:16:17 PM PDT by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Our Joe Wilson can take the Dems' Joe Wilson any day of the week)
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To: rabscuttle385
Disgraced former conservative David Frum -- who discovered his think-tank job was not a lifetime entitlement to indolence -- holds forth on his problems with Rand Paul, and the irony is, as usual, delicious:

"Rand Paul's victory in the Kentucky Republican primary is obviously a depressing event for those who support strong national defense and rational conservative politics."

In which case Frum can't be too terribly depressed, since his idea of "rational conservative politics" includes: 1) supporting 0bama 2) Supporting 0bamacare, 3) trashing fiscal conservatives as unrealistic 4) trashing social conservatives as morons. It would be nice to quote an actual conservative's issues with Rand Paul, rather than David Frum, but I guess this is as close as you get with todays "journalists."

12 posted on 06/01/2010 2:18:21 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Cardinal Woolsey: "You should have become a cleric, Sir Thomas." Moore: "Like Your Grace?")
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
He has also been very vocally defended by no less a mainstream conservative radio talker than Mark Levin. That Big Government Liberal -- er, Conservative -- David "We Need To Cooperate With 0bama's Agenda" Frum doesn't support Rand Paul is no surprise. He actually doesn't support anybody to the right of George W. Bush [and even GWB very tepidly.] But to claim talk-radio has been critical of Paul is really a stretch.
13 posted on 06/01/2010 2:24:12 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Cardinal Woolsey: "You should have become a cleric, Sir Thomas." Moore: "Like Your Grace?")
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To: Patrick1

“Libertarians are not only non-interventionist they are anti-self defense.”
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From the Libertarian Party platform:

1.6 Self-Defense

...We affirm the right to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

3.1 National Defense

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression...

http://www.lp.org/platform

That is not what you said.


14 posted on 06/01/2010 2:26:19 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: camp_steveo

Looks too simplistic. That was then, this is now. I just don’t believe that one can apply the same rules / same process 200+ years later without serious discussion re: foreign policy. Of course, I could just be FOS too....only time will tell.


15 posted on 06/01/2010 2:27:30 PM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: camp_steveo

Neither is that what Ron Paul says.


16 posted on 06/01/2010 2:28:06 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: onona

“I just don’t believe that one can apply the same rules / same process 200+ years later without serious discussion “

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Do you say this about the US Constitution as well?


17 posted on 06/01/2010 2:28:58 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: Patrick1

“Neither is that what Ron Paul says.”
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Please provide a quote. Thank you.


18 posted on 06/01/2010 2:30:13 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: camp_steveo

Absolutely not.

We are talking about foreign treaties / interventionsim though, no ?


19 posted on 06/01/2010 2:39:16 PM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: camp_steveo

“If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future”.—Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a fool. Which is why he gets no votes.


20 posted on 06/01/2010 2:48:40 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: onona

“We are talking about foreign treaties / interventionsim though, no ?”
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Sure, but shouldn’t the treaties entered into by the US govt be Constitutional?

I think what Ron Paul says is that the US should stop trying to be the world’s police force. He says he would like to withdraw from places like Germany and S. Korea.

I tend to agree with him on this.

The question is what do we do to defend ourselves against Islamic fascism.

We must continue to defend ourselves, but nation building is not only far too costly, but outside the limits of our Constitutionally limited govt, not to mention it doesn’t seem to be working.


21 posted on 06/01/2010 2:52:20 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: Patrick1

“If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future”.—Ron Paul.

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Are you saying ^that^ isn’t true?

more from the same article:

“America first. That is what Ron Paul’s national defense proposal is all about. And with America he means all Americans, not just the elite. If elected President, Ron Paul will continue his efforts to secure our borders, hunt down the 9/11 terrorist planners (who are still at large), safely withdraw our troops from Iraq and other countries around the world, and finally overhaul the intelligence apparatus in cooperation with intelligence professionals rather than political opportunists.”

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/national-defense/

I don’t see a problem with this stance.


22 posted on 06/01/2010 3:02:32 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: rabscuttle385

“And portraying Paul as somehow being anti-black is no different than conservatives who portray antiwar protesters as anti-American”

This garbage statement needs a barf alert. That is an absolute and utter slander against conservatives.


23 posted on 06/01/2010 3:02:47 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Patrick1

Au contraire libertarians are all in favor of you defending yourself and our country defending itself. What we are against is running around the world being everyone’s cop, international meals on wheels and relief organization. The purpose of a military is to kill people and break things. If someone attacks us we go kill and break them until then we leave well enough alone.


24 posted on 06/01/2010 3:05:22 PM PDT by scottteng ( IMPEACH OBAMA and elect Snitker as Florida Senator)
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To: camp_steveo

“The Libertarian belief in weak national security...”

“Non-interventionist policy does not equate to weak.”

It is if you don’t stop the world’s bullies from going after other countries and killing the innocent. It makes your enemies stronger and your friends weaker.

Would YOU have kicked Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait in 1990?
the ‘non-intreventionist’ would have let him stay, and he’d be the most powerful evil despot today and not a dead dictator.


25 posted on 06/01/2010 3:05:26 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: FredZarguna

“But to claim talk-radio has been critical of Paul is really a stretch.”

Actually it is a LIE.
Conservative website Redstate - conservatives - went to bat for Rand Paul. So did Sen DeMint. So did a lot of conservatives on talk radio and in columns and other media.
and as you note - “He has also been very vocally defended by no less a mainstream conservative radio talker than Mark Levin.”
He wouldnt have won without that help.

This whole column has slanders and just plain stupidities. not only is this guy smearing conservatives, he is stupidly dragging out the 1964 civil right issue - one that Rand Paul wants to lay to rest.

and btw, since when does moderate Frum represent conservatives? He doesnt!

Ron Paul’s biggest enemy in 2008 was the caravan of kooks who followed him, bashing anyone supportive of GWOT as warmongerers, and even touting 9/11 kookiness. These are leftists in libertarian drag.

Here is Rand Paul - MAJOR TWO PARTY CANDIDATE - in need of a boost, and this idiot says: “This ridiculous, two-party status quo restricts substantive debate, impedes real reform, and begs for revolution.” ... OH REALLY?!? Didn’t Rand Paul just WIN!?!? It’s as if to shout “look at me, I’m an extremist”.

If you want to help Rand Paul win, writing stupid columns like this is NOT IT.


26 posted on 06/01/2010 3:14:20 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG

Well said.


27 posted on 06/01/2010 3:16:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: scottteng

Right, so they would have let Saddam keep Kuwait, let Hitler keep Europe, let North Korea turn South Korea communist in 1950, and would have done nothing while thugs ruined Grenada in 1984.

We also would have done nothing against the menace of international Communism under the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1989.

Right?


28 posted on 06/01/2010 3:17:14 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Patrick1
The Libertarian belief in weak national security

Correction: Those who want to further bust the budget and milk the taxpayers in a utopian effort to police the world are the true advocates of "weak national security."

29 posted on 06/01/2010 3:19:06 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: camp_steveo

“I think what Ron Paul says is that the US should stop trying to be the world’s police force.”

So when North Korea invades our friends in South Korea, we stand back and let the South Koreans die without lifting a finger to help.

Is that his position?


30 posted on 06/01/2010 3:19:36 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG
Would YOU have kicked Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait in 1990? the ‘non-intreventionist’ would have let him stay, and he’d be the most powerful evil despot today and not a dead dictator.

LOL. Hussein a creaky Mussolini lite anti-Iran, secularist would be a "powerful evil despot?" Do you really believe that Wilsonian fairy tale? Had we stayed out and we'd be more a than a trillion dollars richer and a pro-Iran/non-secularist regime would not now rule Iraq. Of course, the King of Kuwait might no longer be able to add to his harem....but that's none of our beezwax.

31 posted on 06/01/2010 3:25:37 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: WOSG
I will be willing to take this bet with all the conservatives "horrified" by Paul's candidacy: "You are going to discover that Rand Paul votes more consitently with Conservative causes than you will find is true of any Republican East of the Hudson or West of the Rockies, and you are going to find that unlike Republicans who pay lip-service to decreasing the deficit with no intention of doing so, Paul will actually vote that way."

Scott Brown took exactly one vote on a major position to betray so many of the FReepers who sent him money. To most of us, it was disappointing, but no surprise.

32 posted on 06/01/2010 3:38:24 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Cardinal Woolsey: "You should have become a cleric, Sir Thomas." Moore: "Like Your Grace?")
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To: camp_steveo
Non-interventionist means surrender monkey, cowardly, unprincipled, anticonservative and anti-American, whether the surrender monkey is Ron Paul or Dennis Cuckoocinich (his Demonrat partner in anti-Americanism. I've seen little evidence that Rand is the sort of despicable traitor (in time of 2 wars no less) that his father and his father's love slaves and zombies are.

Rand seems to be pro-life where his father is a pacifist dissenter from the war to actually protect the babies. Rand seems to be pro-marriage where his father favors fudgepacker "rights" as evidenced by his vote on the DADT repeal. If Rand proves untrustworthy on these major issues, his career will be a very short and unpleasant one since Kentucky does not share Galveston's water system. Goldwater was a libertine imbecile and every bit as much a liar on baby-killing in his 1980 campaign as Ron Paul has turned out to be on so many issues. Unlike his father, Rand may even prove to oppose earmarks.

33 posted on 06/01/2010 3:48:12 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: FreeReign
If "Ayn" Rand Paul is like his dad on foreign policy then he will be a nightmare to all who are reasonable

Well, as Sarah Palin says of her pal Rand Paul, "Hey, no one is perfect!"

34 posted on 06/01/2010 3:55:31 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (http://www.arizona-coffee.com/coffee-roasters-arizona)
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To: FredZarguna

I notice Levin went over to the dark side, but he has to go where Sarah goes. Sean Hannity has been similarly defensive of Rand Paul.


35 posted on 06/01/2010 3:57:04 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (http://www.arizona-coffee.com/coffee-roasters-arizona)
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To: WOSG; All
“And portraying Paul as somehow being anti-black is no different than conservatives who portray antiwar protesters as anti-American”

Thanks for finding that. It is also supportive of the Leftist anti-military, anti-war Code Pinkos. This is what the libertarians are all about, folks. Wake up!!

36 posted on 06/01/2010 3:59:54 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (http://www.arizona-coffee.com/coffee-roasters-arizona)
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To: BlackElk

Here is a refresher on Rand Paul’s similarity to Dad and alliance with military traitor Adam Kokesh: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2478123/posts


37 posted on 06/01/2010 4:10:41 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (http://www.arizona-coffee.com/coffee-roasters-arizona)
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To: rabscuttle385

Doing what is right in your mind is not what the Constitution allows for.

The US Govt is limited in it’s powers for a reason.

You can’t pick and choose what policies the govt will adhere to the Constitution on.

Either we adhere to it, or we burn it.

Either it means something, or it is nothing more than a dusty old relic.

Well......

Which is it?


38 posted on 06/01/2010 4:11:02 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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To: rabscuttle385

A republican of any sort winning a senate seat in Massachusetts is obviously a bit more important of a story than a republican winning a senate seat in Kentucky - much less a primary.


39 posted on 06/13/2010 5:35:26 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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