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Nikki Haley signals South Carolina opting out of ObamaCare
Libertarian Republican ^ | December 4, 2010 | Eric Dondero

Posted on 12/05/2010 5:45:38 AM PST by FreeKeys

Obama at first holds firm, then makes a slight concession

Governor-elect Nikki Haley of South Carolina was one of a number of incoming governors to meet with Obama in D.C. over the weekend at the Blair House. Haley challenged Obama over his health care legislation.

From the Charleston Post & Courrier "Obama opens door for S.C. opt-out, Haley says" Dec. 3:

COLUMBIA -- Republican Gov.-elect Nikki Haley said President Barack Obama agreed Thursday to consider letting South Carolina opt out of the federal health care overhaul if the state comes up with its own solutions to meet some of the important conditions of the national legislation.

Haley said she told Obama that South Carolina could not afford the health care mandate, and that it would cripple small businesses.

"I respectfully asked him to consider repealing the bill," she said, to which he clearly stated he would not. "I pushed him further and said if that's the case, because of states' rights, would you at least consider South Carolina opting out of the program?"

Obama told her he would consider letting South Carolina opt out, she said, if the state could find its own solution that included a state exchange, preventing companies from bumping people for pre-existing conditions and allowing insurance pooling.

She went on to say that she felt that his response was "genuine."

The Governor-elect is now vowing to "crunch numbers" and come up with a solution that would meet Obama's demands, and allow for SC to get out of ObamaCare.


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KEYWORDS: healthcare; individualmandate; nikkihaley; obamacare; southcarolina
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This bears watching.

Photo of the Gov. elect announcing her economic team from http://www.haleytransition.org:


1 posted on 12/05/2010 5:45:40 AM PST by FreeKeys
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To: FreeKeys

Awesome, she’s going to take some of the fire meant for Palin. This is what we need, not the gutless men of the GOP.


2 posted on 12/05/2010 5:49:31 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: toddausauras

Someone in leadership needs to. The spineless wonders in the GOP never cease to amaze me with the way they will cave or compromise.


3 posted on 12/05/2010 5:55:56 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: FreeKeys
She went on to say that she felt that his response was "genuine."

I had high hopes for Nicky Haley, but this quote sounds like "I looked into his eyes and saw his soul"...

4 posted on 12/05/2010 5:57:46 AM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: FreeKeys
Excellent !
5 posted on 12/05/2010 6:00:49 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: FreeKeys

2 more years, 2 more years come on 2012. Let’s get this ass clown out of office.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 6:00:56 AM PST by erod
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To: FreeKeys
would you at least consider South Carolina opting out of the program?"
Obama told her he would consider letting South Carolina opt out, she said, if the state could find its own solution that included a state exchange, preventing companies from bumping people for pre-existing conditions and allowing insurance pooling.

WTH? Would he consider...? He would allow an opt out if...?

IOW, BO/BS still calls the shots? What am I missing...other than more coffee? This smells like playing nicey compromise to me.

7 posted on 12/05/2010 6:00:56 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: FreeKeys
She went on to say that she felt that his response was "genuine."

That is the first and last time she will make that mistake

I guess I'm way to nice, if I was governor-elect, I'd tell Obama to go pound sand. Sue me to force my state to participate

8 posted on 12/05/2010 6:01:20 AM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Bernard
Ditto

"The Governor-elect is now vowing to "crunch numbers" and come up with a solution that would meet Obama's demands, and allow for SC to get out of ObamaCare."

9 posted on 12/05/2010 6:01:30 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: FreeKeys

The only way Obama’s conditions aren’t the death of the free healthcare market is if companies are also allowed to offer less expensive insurance that doesn’t cover pre-existing conditions and people are allowed to not opt in on anything. Obama wouldn’t permit either.


10 posted on 12/05/2010 6:03:44 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


11 posted on 12/05/2010 6:04:26 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: FreeKeys

Good for her. Now that South Carolina is out of Obama Care, does the parents of the 26 and lower children, remove their brat off their health care immediately? Everyone who has a pre-condition are taken off Obama Care to find their own insurance? When does this get implemented? She is going to be a great governor. Enough welfare for South Carolina. If I was her, I would take all medical welfare out of the state and let people deal with civilian insurance. She could be the first state that has NO GOVERNMENT health care which would be fantastic. If you are going to have a baby, then have the insurance to pay for it. No more going to the emergency room for free. Either have insurance or don’t be looked at. I truly hope she goes with that. I think that people who go to the hospital need to have a credit card (for those who opt out of health care) and it needs to be pre-approved before the doctor says “open wide”. Does anyone know how wonderful that would be?????? That is one way for our debt to fall some.


12 posted on 12/05/2010 6:07:32 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: knarf
"The Governor-elect is now vowing to "crunch numbers" and come up with a solution that would meet Obama's demands,

Well, that statement says it all. Barf.

13 posted on 12/05/2010 6:08:38 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Popman
Cut her some slack. She isn't even officially in office yet. It sounds to me like she got something out of Obama most governors haven't even had the guts to bring up.
14 posted on 12/05/2010 6:09:10 AM PST by Average Al
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To: wally_bert

Ya gotta give her major points for asking and getting the door opened—even before she’s sworn into office. Where have the other 50 governors been?

Oh, and yes, it is disgusting that Obama has managed to make himself the national healthcare king, giving special exemptions to unions and companies and now maybe states he deems to so favor.


15 posted on 12/05/2010 6:09:27 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: FreeKeys
Haley said she also asked the president if he would honor the federal government's commitment on developing a nuclear waste repository. When he said he would not revisit opening Nevada's Yucca Mountain, "I said, 'Then give us our money back.' "

The site 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas was proposed to house more than 4,000 metric tons of high-level nuclear waste from South Carolina's Savannah River Site. The state and Washington have sued over Obama's attempt to kill plans for the storage site after decades of study.

"SRS has done a good job, but that was a temporary solution. It was never meant to be a permanent solution," Haley said she told him. "The federal government has reneged on its promise, and the people of South Carolina want their money back."

South Carolina's power plants and its customers have contributed more than $1 billion over nearly 30 years to a permanent repository.

The lady does have some moxie after all.

16 posted on 12/05/2010 6:09:48 AM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Bernard

She also challenged him on nuclear energy...
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/12/governor-nikki-haley-to-obama-the-people-of-south-carolina-want-their-money-back/


17 posted on 12/05/2010 6:10:09 AM PST by csmusaret (Q: How do they say incompetent failure in Kenya? A: Barack Obama)
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To: Average Al

“Cut her some slack. She isn’t even officially in office yet. It sounds to me like she got something out of Obama most governors haven’t even had the guts to bring up”

Exactly, but some people are never happy. The first time she ever talks to the guy in her life she informs him that she is against his crowning achievement. I’d say that’s pretty good. I haven’t read any stories about a single other Governor saying this to him. I mean, she can’t be like most of us here who would do a lot worse if we even met him.


18 posted on 12/05/2010 6:12:30 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: FreeKeys
Opting out is fine, but what's this guff about a "state exchange"?

What, is South Carolina now going to do its own Romney-Care?

Get government out of the healthcare business. The first great mistake was creating Medicare, the second was creating Obamacare. Let's not compound the folly by creating Romney-Care in every state.

19 posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:17 AM PST by snowsislander (Chicago-style politics at a national level is a national disgrace.)
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To: Average Al
Cut her some slack. She isn't even officially in office yet. It sounds to me like she got something out of Obama most governors haven't even had the guts to bring up.

I wasn't being critical of her, just noting that the old adage "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me "

She took Obama at his word, which is the same thing as taking a conman at his word

20 posted on 12/05/2010 6:15:01 AM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: FreeKeys

Is it only me or the Great Governor of South Carolina shrewdly used her charm to personally attack Obama upfront and made him look like an idiot?

ONLY AN IDIOTIC PRESIDENT WOULD SIGN A LAW THAT CANNOT BE AFFORDED BY THE PEOPLE OF STATES LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA.

It’s really the decade of brave, strong and charming (not ugly physically and morally) women.

American Politics need more mothers as leaders to solve this huge huge economic mess we’re in.

I’m a boy. But women especially my mom have had innate talents of keeping the budget in tact.

Hats off to Madame Haley of SC!


21 posted on 12/05/2010 6:18:40 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: toddausauras

What she did could lead to all of the states demanding the same thing, which in turn keeps the issue before the public, which could lead to it being overturned. Not bad for the the first meeting this rookie gov. had with with “The One”. He may have given her the rock to slay HC with.


22 posted on 12/05/2010 6:18:46 AM PST by Average Al
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To: convertedtoreason

Oops sorry.

I didn’t mean to offend physically “ugly” women. I forgot that beauty is relative.

I was thinking of the picture of Helen Thomas at HA!

Forgive me ladies.


23 posted on 12/05/2010 6:21:06 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: Popman

She took his word as an opportunity to beat his HC plan.
She knows what she is dealing with in Obama.


24 posted on 12/05/2010 6:22:19 AM PST by Average Al
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To: FreeKeys

I still have hopes that Obamacare will be struck down in the courts, but if states can opt out I could see the wheels coming off of Obamacare. I can’t imagine how the program could work with a significant number of states not participating.


25 posted on 12/05/2010 6:30:58 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: stylecouncilor

SC ping.

(Too bad about last night´s pigskin rout.)


26 posted on 12/05/2010 6:30:58 AM PST by onedoug
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To: FreeKeys
Meanwhile, SC “Senator” Lindsey Leotard is running around Washington trying to imitate Nikki!
27 posted on 12/05/2010 6:36:15 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Wonder is SC is one of the many states in the legal challenge to Obamacare. If not they should be. Negotiating with Obama will always be on his progressive (and possibly unconstitutional) terms.


28 posted on 12/05/2010 6:40:03 AM PST by opentalk
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To: toddausauras
I'd like to hear some Governors opt out of everything the Feds are doing outside the Constitution and to announce that taxes would be collected in the state at a calculated percentage of the federal rate.

"We have determined that 60% of government spending is unconstututional, so our citizens will be paying 40% of any taxes you levy."

29 posted on 12/05/2010 6:40:32 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: 9YearLurker

Lord 0 is disgusting. The wanton abuse of power is so blatant and a lot of people in this country love him for it. I guess some people are born with the desire to be a slave.


30 posted on 12/05/2010 6:43:27 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: FreeKeys
First sign she doesn't know what she is doing, Opt out and tell him to stick it!!!! Hell you cannot negotiate with a horse fly!!
31 posted on 12/05/2010 6:44:06 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Bernard

The great Bush, we can do business!!!


32 posted on 12/05/2010 6:44:53 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: opentalk

is = if


33 posted on 12/05/2010 6:45:41 AM PST by opentalk
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To: April Lexington

Lindsey Leotard - great!


34 posted on 12/05/2010 6:46:14 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: 9YearLurker
No, wrong, she is a governor and obamma is not her boss, she does not need to ask him jack.
35 posted on 12/05/2010 6:46:32 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: FreeKeys

Good on ya, Nikki. Give them heck!


36 posted on 12/05/2010 6:50:54 AM PST by Tax-chick (We know that terrorists are Moslems. I repeat, we know that terrorists are Moslems.)
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To: FreeKeys; All

Great post and thread. How did Americans raise and support large families before Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare?

The mandates of madmen. Dismantle the architecture of totalitarians.

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.


37 posted on 12/05/2010 6:51:33 AM PST by PGalt
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To: org.whodat

Unless any of the lawsuits succeed and/or we’ve got a new president to cooperate in its repeal, all Americans will be subjected to it. If Haley gets a better deal for SC residents, she could have won a big advantage for her state.


38 posted on 12/05/2010 6:59:11 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: FreeKeys
(Obama said SC should)find its own solution that included a state exchange, preventing companies from bumping people for pre-existing conditions

Then what the Hell is the point of opting out ? The Maasai will be gone from office in two years along with his healthcare reform law, so Nikki needn't worry too much.

39 posted on 12/05/2010 7:09:16 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Bernard
I had high hopes for Nicky Haley, but this quote sounds like "I looked into his eyes and saw his soul"...

I don't agree. Harldy comparable. What the heck is she supposed to say? In fact this sets him up to look like a liar if they eventually cannot come to some kind of agreement.

40 posted on 12/05/2010 7:19:39 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: Popman

That is why she is a politician and people such as you and I aren’t, we couldn’t stomach Obama


41 posted on 12/05/2010 7:30:24 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Bernard

Exactly. And, she was going to see if she could meet his demands? Governors should tell Obamalini that he can shove it where the sun don’t shine. The tone needs to be aggressive and confrontational, and the actions even more so.

Obama has a “gift” for making people think he is something other than a totalitarian narcissist.


42 posted on 12/05/2010 7:53:25 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Average Al

Yes, i agree 100%


43 posted on 12/05/2010 8:08:56 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Average Al

Yes, i agree 100%


44 posted on 12/05/2010 8:09:01 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Popman

She says she took him at his word, let him prove himself to be the liar he is.


45 posted on 12/05/2010 8:09:53 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Popman; FreeKeys
Two things jumped out at me in this article:

First is the one that you've pegged regarding believing a conman. Secondly, was the statement

Obama told her he would consider letting South Carolina opt out

"LET"? I did not realize that we had voted for a dictator yet! Where is Congress in this deal?

46 posted on 12/05/2010 8:12:09 AM PST by PuzzledInTX
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To: FreeKeys
She went on to say that she felt that his response was "genuine."

Oh, you sad, naive woman. Haven't you learned yet that Obamolester lies with impugnity?

47 posted on 12/05/2010 8:41:12 AM PST by kromike
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To: PuzzledInTX
Obama told her he would consider letting South Carolina opt out...

That's what stuck to me too. The idea that a state has to get permission from this bastard is completely contrary to the Constitution.

48 posted on 12/05/2010 9:22:42 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Average Al

At least she is doing something that the GOP should have done a lot sooner and stood tall like real men! She stood up for her state instead of groveling.


49 posted on 12/05/2010 9:43:02 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: org.whodat

Maybe she knows more than the rest of us. She stood her ground now let’s see what she can do. For Heaven’s sakes...


50 posted on 12/05/2010 9:45:00 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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