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Ron Paul says unemployment is 20%
CNN ^

Posted on 10/23/2011 7:18:00 PM PDT by alexmai

Edited on 10/23/2011 7:21:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

“I think the downturn in the economy occurred in the year 2000,” Paul told CNN, adding that there have been no new jobs since then “and yet we’ve had a 30 million increase in population.”

“Just go out and talk to the people – unemployment rate in the true numbers (is) over 20%, so there’s been a depression,” Paul said after an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”


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KEYWORDS: americans; budget; campaign; economic; economy; government; recovery; savings; spending; taxes; taxing; unemployment
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To: skinkinthegrass

I don’t think the liberals WANT to destroy middle class. They just do not understand how economy works. The reason socialism took root in many countries is exactly because on surface it sounds fair and just. All one has to do is observe economies in socialist countries, and the inescapable conclusion is socialism is trickle up poverty. Formerly socialist/marxist countries are moving away from it after suffering 1st hand from its effects. Examples are China, Eastern Europe, India and others.

The problem here in US is that socialist agenda is relatively new and people have not had time to digest its wealth robbing effects. Although experience of last 3 or 4 years has started to awaken people, at least I am hoping it has.


21 posted on 10/23/2011 8:04:18 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Perry is a good man but his one on one debates with Obama keeps me awake at nights.)
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To: alexmai

Gee if he only got there are bad guy out there who don’t like freedom in any form and want to kill us he might be a fine candidate.


22 posted on 10/23/2011 8:10:07 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Windflier
You’ve posted a total of ten threads since joining FR in July, yet you haven’t posted a single reply.

Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.

Relax. I've posted all replies and no threads, so I'll cover for him.

23 posted on 10/23/2011 8:20:06 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: oldbrowser
Everybody says Paul is too far out there to be president. I'm starting to think that he is sane and the rest of us are the crazy ones.

After all that has happened, "far out there" should be a positive.

Or we can go on electing another mainstream candidate, and keep getting what we've been getting.

24 posted on 10/23/2011 8:22:19 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: alexmai
One thing to keep in mind is that the unemployment rate is highly dependent on the skill set. Just try to find a halfway decent software engineer right now. I was trying to hire one, and after a nationwide posting, we got one applicant, and we pay very well. We finally turned to headhunters.

I heard a similar story from a guy who opened up a manufacturing plant, and all he was looking for was people to run the automated machinery. He needed basic math and reading skills, and the pay was decent enough, maybe 2-3 times minimum. He had many applicants, but the vast majority couldn't even pass the basic math and reading skills. I don't know if he ever was able to fill the jobs.

Other areas, such as real estate, have been devastated. It's not easy to retrain, either. It takes about 10 years to master anything, and if you haven't mastered it, you're back at the bottom with the low-level people clawing your way up.

When you collect together the people who can't find work, the people who have no usable skills, the people who could take another job but won't start a career all over again, and the people who prefer unemployment, yes 20% is possible.

25 posted on 10/23/2011 8:35:56 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: federal__reserve
The reason socialism took root in many countries is exactly because on surface it sounds fair and just.
All one has to do is observe economies in socialist countries, and the
inescapable conclusion is
socialism is trickle up poverty.

ahhh.....Humanism; on the march, again....
the excuse of many authoritarian systems...the Fabians
..."its' for the people...chil'ren"


26 posted on 10/23/2011 8:45:32 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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at 25%, they will start turning feral... in some places i think it's already happening
27 posted on 10/23/2011 8:48:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Windflier
Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.

Suspicious? I'd say more likely timid.

28 posted on 10/23/2011 8:50:44 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: max americana

“I agree with him on economics but I have to cover my face and groan when he starts pouting off about the other stuff.”

I am with you. I just shake my head and groan.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 8:54:42 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: svcw

If we didn’t support A-H’s like the Saudis there might be a lot fewer people who want to kill us.


30 posted on 10/23/2011 9:20:31 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Windflier; alexmai
> (To alexmai) You’ve posted a total of ten threads since joining FR in July, yet you haven’t posted a single reply. Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.

I wish to second Windflier's observation, and note that two hours later, there are STILL no replies from alexmai.

This poster is starting to smell bad. I don't like the smell of post-and-runners, even if (as in this case) I appreciate and enjoy the thread itself.

31 posted on 10/23/2011 9:26:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ElectronVolt

“He needed basic math and reading skills, and the pay was decent enough, maybe 2-3 times minimum. He had many applicants, but the vast majority couldn’t even pass the basic math and reading skills.”

Oh Baloney.
I know plenty of people with sharp math and English skills, drug free, good workers and eminently trainable who can’t find a job because every employer wants 5 years of technical training, 10 years of experience and wants to pay a buck above minimum wage.
If you (generic, not you specifically) aren’t willing to train an American before you hire someone from outside the country you deserve to go out of business. The problem isn’t with the workforce, it’s with employers spoilt by illegal immigrants they can abuse and fire at will and H1-B slaves who will work for less than a fellow citizen. I could point your friend to a half dozen three digit IQ folks who can learn anything and will be there on time any day, any shift, and if he wanted to he, or you, could find dozens in any city of any size.


32 posted on 10/23/2011 9:27:37 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: alexmai

While I agree we are facing a much larger rate today, the idea that no jobs were created since 2000 is a massive lie and preposterous idea. We saw several years of very low unemployment and high job creation. The libs tried to pretend that the slump in 08 and slide in jobs negated the previous 7 years. This is yet another example of Paul pushing liberal lies.


33 posted on 10/23/2011 9:28:59 PM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: ElectronVolt
Relax. I've posted all replies and no threads, so I'll cover for him.

At least you've been talking for four years, and folks know who you are. This one's giving us the silent treatment.

How can you cover for someone who doesn't respond to straight communication? Is he your buddy or something?

34 posted on 10/23/2011 9:36:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Suspicious? I'd say more likely timid.

Timid people don't post threads and invite direct communication.

35 posted on 10/23/2011 9:37:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; ElectronVolt
> How can you cover for someone who doesn't respond to straight communication? Is he your buddy or something?

I interpreted ElectronVolt's comment about "covering for him" as tongue-in-cheek, that is, that their posting histories were inverses, so they "averaged out".

36 posted on 10/23/2011 9:41:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
This poster is starting to smell bad. I don't like the smell of post-and-runners, even if (as in this case) I appreciate and enjoy the thread itself.

I concur with both your points. I can't see any reason why this poster shouldn't interact with those who are replying to him/her. Nothing all that suspicious about the threads they've posted. Just their refusal to reply.

When a veteran Freeper posts and runs, I don't think twice about it, but this isn't normal newbie behavior.

37 posted on 10/23/2011 9:43:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: dayglored; ElectronVolt
I interpreted ElectronVolt's comment about "covering for him" as tongue-in-cheek, that is, that their posting histories were inverses, so they "averaged out".

I was sort of picking up that his post was tongue-in-cheek, but it's late, and my sense of humor ain't so sharp.

38 posted on 10/23/2011 9:46:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ilgipper
'We saw several years of very low unemployment and high job creation.'

Yes! But, that was thru a creation of a bubble. That's the point, the larger the bubble creation, the more the suffering. As for the job creation, yes, its null and void from bad policy. Just, as the mythic wealth creation, by simply using your house as an atm. The only thing we are creating of late, is debt.

39 posted on 10/23/2011 10:49:46 PM PDT by FritzG
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To: alexmai

Right


40 posted on 10/23/2011 11:08:55 PM PDT by Lorianne
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