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Ron Paul says unemployment is 20%
CNN ^

Posted on 10/23/2011 7:18:00 PM PDT by alexmai

Edited on 10/23/2011 7:21:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

“I think the downturn in the economy occurred in the year 2000,” Paul told CNN, adding that there have been no new jobs since then “and yet we’ve had a 30 million increase in population.”

“Just go out and talk to the people – unemployment rate in the true numbers (is) over 20%, so there’s been a depression,” Paul said after an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”


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To: bigheadfred

I think if he added ten percent more, there would be the beginning of real riots, not just these silly protests.


41 posted on 10/24/2011 12:51:40 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Really? islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for more than a 1000 years.


42 posted on 10/24/2011 6:00:21 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Windflier
Timid people don't post threads and invite direct communication.

Yes they do, all the time. It's called growth.

By the way, who appointed you hall monitor?

43 posted on 10/24/2011 7:48:25 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"Timid people don't post threads and invite direct communication."

Yes they do, all the time. It's called growth.

That makes no sense whatsoever, unless you're talking about a child. And no, most new members to this forum do not behave like this "all the time."

By the way, who appointed you hall monitor?

Who appointed you Chief Judge of the Forum Court? You gonna issue me a restraining order? Sheeeesh.....

44 posted on 10/24/2011 8:09:07 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
When I see the hit-and-run posters, I can't help but wonder; are we having our temperature taken, or are they merely trying to influence?

A real pro would hang around a little, act friendly etc., before ramming the thermometer in.

This one is either a loner, a bit lazy, or just can't write or speak well on their own.

We've all seen a few of the latter. Often enough such individuals are found to be brittle, if one can ever draw them out.

It becomes apparent they cannot speak or write well, and they get their panties in a bunch when they or their opinions are challenged. Along with all of that, evidence of an exaggerated sense of self-importance will come to light.

In other words, they could fit right in around here, if they really wanted to. ;^)

45 posted on 10/24/2011 8:56:31 AM PDT by 7MMmag
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To: Windflier
Who appointed you Chief Judge of the Forum Court?

If you spot it, you got it.

46 posted on 10/24/2011 9:04:05 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: svcw

“Really? islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for more than a 1000 years.”

no doubt. But consider that we did a lot to help grow the radical and violent strain if Islam (of course it has always existed), we supported the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban as counterweights against the Soviets and we still have politicians and pundits with their nose deeply stuck up the Saudi bunghole.

My point isn’t that we do or don’t have a problem with radical Islam (see my tagline for my personal opinion), it’s that Ron Paul and other “isolationists” are at least partly right, our foreign policy, like anything else the government does, is best when it is least. Trying to ensure that other sovereign states have governments friendly to us is as likely to backfire in the long run as it is to do any good in the near term.

just my .02, but I want Washington engaging in no more intervention regafding in who rules what, where and how outside our borders than I want it manipulating our economy inside our borders.


47 posted on 10/24/2011 10:34:06 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: 7MMmag
This one is either a loner, a bit lazy, or just can't write or speak well on their own.

I suspect that this one is somewhere up that alley.

Sometimes folks sign up without lurking long enough to get a feel for the community standards. In those cases, they're usually type A personalities who jump right in with both feet, and wind up having rather interesting initiation periods.

Still, I think it's odd behavior to start lots of discussions without posting a single word, or responding to direct communications.

48 posted on 10/24/2011 4:37:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Ok, so even though islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for over 1000 years, you think we have (in the last 25 years) exasperated the situation? Weird.


49 posted on 10/24/2011 8:10:48 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: FritzG
Yes! But, that was thru a creation of a bubble. That's the point, the larger the bubble creation, the more the suffering. As for the job creation, yes, its null and void from bad policy. Just, as the mythic wealth creation, by simply using your house as an atm. The only thing we are creating of late, is debt.

Bubbles are part of the system. Two dollars earned in a bubble is the same as one earned during and one after. This bubble did not start in 2000. Paul is incorrect, and is playing into leftist talking points that somehow things were great until ol' George Bush came along. The housing bubble began long before Bush's inauguration and in fact helped drive the growth of the 90s. In addition, there was an additional tech bubble in the 90s that had the same effect. The bottom line is most everyone was doing just fine until 2007 and to discount nearly full employment for a period of years is simply dishonest. In any one year if we had good GDP growth and low unemployment, chalk it up in the books as a good year for the people of this country. I am not discounting your concerns about the debt problem, and certainly the financial collapse has been very damaging. That said, our situation today would not be nearly so dire if the government wasn't heavy handed in micromanaging the economy. We'd be back on the upswing 2 years ago if the government simply stayed out of it, vowed to keep the tax burden low, and minimized the massive regulatory burden.

50 posted on 10/25/2011 7:20:23 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: svcw

No.

Fact.

We had our reasons, but the United States very much assisted wiht metastasizing the more virulent forms if Islam as a deliberate cold war strategy. The calculation from the 40’s through the 80’s was that Radical Islam in forms such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Mjuahedeen in Afghanistan were of more use as allies against the communists than they were a threat. Plenty of documentation, have to get to work but I’ll try to put a few links together later.

My original point- while pure ‘isolationism’ isn’t really possible or wise, picking winners and losers in foreign policy should be looked at almost as distastefully as picking winners and losers in the economy. The government that we conservatives do NOT trust doesn’t gain some magical competence at the waters’ edge, and short term moves that make sense in a timeframe of a few years, such as arming and assisting those fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, have much longer term blowback.


51 posted on 10/25/2011 8:25:25 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: ilgipper
'In addition, there was an additional tech bubble in the 90s that had the same effect. The bottom line is most everyone was doing just fine until 2007 and to discount nearly full employment for a period of years is simply dishonest. '

Sure, there are always bubbles. But, this has been a Gov't sponsored bubble. Without, the natural forces of the market to build and create wealth.

America has been on the decline for years, except people haven't wanted to accept it. Just look at NAFTA, are we better off. The initial claims would be low tech labor would be lost, no biggie. Now white collar jobs are losing out, thus that is part of the reason we are seeing forms of protest.

2007 was just the tip of the bubble, it was an illusion, created through articficial stimulation from the Gov't. A healthy economy wouldn't be growing because of debt, and that is the foundation of our economy. It will end badly.

As you say that we have been micromanaged,, Paul's point is that it has been a collusion of crony capitalism that has create part of this mess. The Gov't took a hands off approach to the use of leverage for banks and they repealed Glass-Steagall, so now they get to have it both ways as a bank.

Throw in that savers are being destroyed, with easy low interest rates, it pushes savers into more risky investments like stocks.

52 posted on 10/25/2011 10:42:29 AM PDT by FritzG
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To: RedStateRocker

No.
Fact
islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for over 1000 years, it is nothing new. They always have some convoluted reason to do so and there are those who always come up with some reason that it is our fault.
Paul is one of those, and he sickens me because of it.


53 posted on 10/25/2011 9:09:54 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: YankeeReb
I don’t have too many issues with Ron Paul’s economic / libertarian views, it’s when he starts speaking about cultural issues and foreign policy that he makes me nervous.

I agree. He's completely looney on a lot of things, but on this unemployment number, I suspect he's right.

54 posted on 10/25/2011 9:19:51 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Very well stated! Bravo!


55 posted on 10/25/2011 9:35:34 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: RedStateRocker
The US got the idea of using Islam as a tool from the Germans.


56 posted on 10/25/2011 9:55:56 PM PDT by FritzG
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