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Posted on 01/13/2012 11:03:47 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
Ron Paul Is More Conservative Than Rick Santorum.
By Joe Deaux 01/11/12 - 04:02 PM EST
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- During a Republican presidential debate Saturday, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum had a spat about who was more conservative as each clawed for blocks of Republican voters needed to topple front-runner Mitt Romney.
According to a study done back in 2004 though, Paul was the more conservative of the two by a fairly healthy margin.
A list put together at voteview.com found that out of the 3,320 individuals (1 being the most liberal and 3,320 being the most conservative) who had served in the House or Senate from 1937 to 2002, Santorum ranked 2,674, while Paul ranked 3,320.
"Four or five times he voted to raise the national debt, so that tells you how conservative he is," Paul said Saturday about Santorum. Based on the survey, Paul could question pretty much any politician's conservative record against his own.
The scores were based on all roll calls cast in the period. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich slotted in at 2,893.
Paul finished second in the New Hampshire primaries Tuesday night partly thanks to independent voters in the state who turned out, while Santorum -- who's social conservative message found traction in Iowa -- slid into a virtual tie with Gingrich behind third-place finisher Jon Huntsman.
"I sorta have to chuckle when they describe you and me as being dangerous," Paul said to supporters in a speech after the primary. "That's one thing they are telling the truth about, because we are dangerous to the status quo."
The GOP field will canvass South Carolina through Jan. 21 as each candidate attempts to pitch a conservative message to Southern voters who are skeptical of Romney's record.
A Rasmussen Reports poll released Jan. 3 found that 26% of likely U.S. voters regarded Romney as a moderate.
Interestingly, Paul also ranked next to Romney as the perceived least conservative option in the GOP presidential field.
-- Written by Joe Deaux in New York.
RuPaul is a nutcase, and advocating for him here will get you the ban hammer. Zot.
Ron Paul—making Ross Perot look sane for nearly 30 years.
Santorum is a Conservative and he IS NOT a Nut Case......
Ron Paul is not a conservative. He is a Libertarian.
Ron Paul, aka Dr nutz, is not a conservative. He is a nut case who has two or three positions that happen to coincide with what are broadly considered conservative principles.
They're both effin crazy.
Did you support her, or have faith in his decision?
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Ron Paul is a fool. He gets his conservative record because he never votes for anything. That’s not conservative. That’s just stubborn. He has no record of legislation, and he’s been in office for more than 30 years. I worked on his first campaign as a “hostess” — a stop for refreshments when he walked my neighborhood with my husband to introduce him to the neighbors.
I think Paul “lost it” when he ran on the Libertarian ticket. I no longer find him amusing.
No. Paul did not “blame America”. All he did was point out what the CIA calls “blowback”. I can not understand why this same slanderous talking point keeps being made against Paul. Do you really want the other progressives ending up with the Republican nomination.
Not according to his voting record.
Now, back to that Cynthia McKinney support. Is she a Constitutionalist too?
Which is MUCH closer to conservatism than the progressive values of the other candidates. Libertarianism is in fact what Conservatism used to be until it was hijacked by pro war Leftists back in the Vietnam era. So let’s try to remember that Ron Paul is an old school conservative who has been fighting for the cause since before most of us were born. Also remember that he will be able to pick up a lot more independent voters than any other candidate in November.
Because it's true.
And Dr. Paul associates with and welcomes the support of truthers.
Ron Paul is loonier than Charlie Sheen.
Well, at least Charlie Sheen is consistent in his lunacy.
Ron Paul cannot count on the Jewish vote, I’ll tell ya that.
Santorum is from Pennsylvania and he’s has his liberal moments on non social issues like supporting animal rights legislation to regulate kennels and the budget busting debt raising Medicare Part D.
Ron Paul has his problems, but Rick Santorum is a darling of the inside the beltway National Right To Life.
NRL’s longtime General Counsel, James Bopp, is a family issues advisor to Mitt Romney.
Santorum is in the race to keep the anti-Mormon evangelical vote tied up so it won’t go to another candidate and beat Romney.
The PTB need to call Orkin...
“Ron Paul has a record that not only reflects conservative principles...”
He’s a Halfpublican.
“...but he will be able to pick up most of the important independent vote in November.”
And lose the Republican/TEA Party vote.
I don’t think that will work out too well for him.
I find this comment offensive to Charlie Sheen and crack maniacs everywhere.
Dale - LOL!
The very things conservatives dislike about Ron Paul are the president’s primary duties: commander in chief and foreign relations. The things we like best about him, like his fiscal conservatism, are controlled by Congress. In other words, Ron Paul would be a terrible president. Plus, I don’t think he has the negotiation skills necessary to work with Congress. If he did manage to get even half of his agenda done, he’d create economic chaos and misery. Like it or not, the federal behemoth needs to be slowly and carefully rolled back, not hacked apart in short order.
No, this is what makes many on FR think he's a nut:
Associating with Code Pink - Associating with 9/11 truth - endorsing and going out on the stump to aggressively campaign for Adam Kokesh, a well-known Code Pink Activist, 9/11 truther who went overseas to a military base and asked troops to abandon their posts, was responsible for the campus slander campaign against students putting up fake racist flyers and attributing them to a conservative student organization, etc. Saying that Israel set up Hamas. Making absurd statements that the U.S. could have simply 'bought' all the slaves and prevented the Civil War. Saying that a Yale Fraternity is controlled by the Trilateral Commission. Saying that "If I were Iranian I'd want the bomb" - we aren't interested in what he would want if he were Iranian we are interested in what he would want as an American. Repeated appearances on the Alex Jones show. Endorsing Cynthia McKinney - Etc, etc, etc, etc...one could probably continue the length of a book with example after example of this silliness.
That's the sort of thing some of us have a problem with - not that he's an alleged "constitutionalist" as has been discussed here numerous times.
Ron Paul authored 620 pieces of legislation, 4 of which made it to be voted upon and only 1 of those was actually passed into law. For his years in congress, he’s actually got the WORST RECORD of all the candidates in the race. Since he was elected, he’s been very busy loading up the earmarks for the shrimp-boat lobby into bills he knew would pass but voted against.
So those who claim his “domestic policy is great, but his foreign policy misses the mark” are wrong. Voting against his own bills doesn’t make a LIEberaltarian “more conservative” than anyone in the field and the myth needs to die along with his Soros-funded candidacy.
“I’m the DNC, and I approve this thread” /s
You can judge a man by the company he keeps...
Bill Maher Defends Ron Paul: [He Is] In My Heart On Foreign Affairs, Not Barack Obama
Code Pink Endorses Ron Paul
Many of whom have already endorsed his candidacy.
Libertarianism is in fact what Conservatism used to be
Neither one of these assertions is true.
First, Ron Paul is a self-described Libertarian. He ran for president on the Libertarian ticket in 1988.
Second, there is nothing "conservative" about the Libertarian Party. Libertarians are only a philosophical step or two away from anarchists. They don't want small or smaller government, they want absolute minimalist government.
On most social issues, they are libertines, or nearly so. They want open borders, legalization of all drugs, an absolute minimalist military to go along with rock bottom minimalist government. In these matters, Libertarians and liberals are kissing cousins.
Try putting things in their correct context.
Of possible interest to you?
If we didn’t have to worry about the hostile world outside our unprotected borders, you might have a point. Despite the positives, Paul has a some really serious negatives that can’t be ignored or allowed into the WH.
Ron Paul Supporters:
#1. Be Arrogant
#2. Be Condescending
#3. Be self-important
#4. Be self-righteous
#5. Tout your superior intellect to help overcome your lack of self-confidence (see numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4 then go straight to #15).
#6. Give slippery rhetorical answers to straight questions
#7. Hide/Ignore or spin Ron Pauls congressional record of 23 Years in Congress, creating 620 bills of which 4 made it to the floor and only one became law.
#8. When cornered and have no truthful or direct response, spout angry, non-topic rhetoric as an answer, then see #19.
#9. Hide your democrat voting status from the public & pretend you’re a republican.
#10. Blame everyone else, never take credit for a problems like Barrack Obama because we are closet Ultra-Liberals
#11. Berate and/or belittle your opponent whenever losing an argument, then see #19
#12. Blame America for the world hating the US and act like an Arab Psychiatrist/Pathologist when promoting the 9/11 Jihad conspiracy.
#13. Be courteous and direct others to their local cable or satellite channel that carries reruns of Conspiracy theory with Jesse You deserve to lose a few Ventura.
#14. Copy and paste data from whatever unreliable source you can find to try and validate your argument.
#15. Avoid/ignore any or all valid retort or facts that invalidate your agenda at all costs or whenever possible. (Go back to #6)
#16. Create a fictitious Facebook persona to hide your true identity like our Anarchist/OWS cousins.
#17. Make cowardly drive-by hit and run comment and/or like a fellow Paulbots hit and run comment.
#18. Bait adversaries by commenting/posting irrelevant points and/or points you were making during your last debate with someone totally different on another topic all together without looking like you are arguing with yourself. Try to avoid looking foolish at all costs.
#19. Scurry over to your nearest Ron Paul thread and alert other bots to join you and that you require assistance because youre losing your delusional Liberal arguments. Then medicate, repeat, put on your drool bib and go back to marching in the paper slipper brigade.
#20. Follow #18 and 19 to the letter, then surround your opponent and take cheap pot-shots from your behind your fictitious Facebook persona (See #9 and #16).
#21. Before debating, avoid getting fecal matter in or behind your ears when removing your head from your rectum. This will be particularly useful when listening to CDs of Dr Paul in your Toyota Prius.
#22. When casting your ballot for Dr Paul during online polls, remember to clear your cookies then repeat. Do this as many times as your fingers will allow or until the next episode of Colbert Reports, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, or your Mother calls down to the basement stairs to tell you that dinner is ready.
Ron Paul supports legal dope and prostitution
Starts half way in the video:
Nevada prostitutes endorse Ron Paul
White supremecist David Duke endorses Ron Paul;
Ron Paul refuses to disavow STORMFRONT associations
Why do the Ron Paul guys support gay marriage?
the 2008 RONULAN economic advisor to Ron paul saying that libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
Libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
VIDEO of Schiff saying just that!
An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.
On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”
Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”
Additional video proof of him saying this here:
And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul? Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
Ron Paul and his acolytes are following George Soros on the defense of our nation, and connections between the two have been proved
Tehran TV LOVES Ron Paul!
Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
Glenn Beck exposes Ron Paul’s ties to Soros. Does it shock you, or does it do much to explain why Ron Paul is friendly with “Bawney” Frank and almost as bad as Obama is when it comes to illegal aliens and Islam? Listen to video please.
Dennis Prager point sout Ron Paul’s lunacy
Ron Paul says he is against the NDAA bill, so why didn’t he VOTE AGAINST it??
Ron Paul supporters quizzed on the Constitution
As homosexual Army soldier Bradley Mannings treason trial continues at Fort Meade, Maryland, the support he has received from Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been curiously ignored by the major media, now touting Paul as someone who could win the January 3 Iowa Republican Caucuses. Paul has called Manning, a crossdresser with acknowledged mental problems, a hero and patriot for stealing government secrets and providing them to WikiLeaks.
While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Paul said. Both groups are fed up with problems in Washington and “the two-party-system,” Paul said while speaking at an insurance company in Des Moines. Praising the left-wing Occupy Wall Street movement is an unusual move for a Republican presidential candidate, but Ron Paul is, of course, an unusual Republican presidential candidate. He jumped to first place in the Iowa caucus polls partly because of support from people who aren’t Republicans. His comments that members of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are unhappy with the “two-party system” could fuel speculation that Paul will make a third-party bid of his own—something he has not ruled out.
BS! Rick Santorum does not believe it’s OK for a state to decide whether a woman should have the “right” to murder her unborn child. Ron Paul says he’s pro-life, but if the state said it’s OK to murder the child Ron Paul would go along with it and say it was OK.
Rick Santorum does not believe all drugs should be legalized, Ron Paul does. Paul thinks you should be able to buy heroin and marijuana at your local drug store, over the counter.
Rick Santorum does not believe prostitution should be legalized in America. Prostitutes spread all types of
STDs. Ron Paul believes believes any type of prostitution should be illegal, in all states.
Finally, Ron Paul could care less what rinky dink terrorist sponsoring country gets a nuke. To him, the more the merrier. To him, other countries want nuclear weapons as insurance that the United States will not attack them. In Ron Paul’s eyes the United States is the biggest exporter of terror in the world and all we do is going around the world looking for trouble.
Being for small government is only one requirement for being considered “conservative”. Ron Paul usually meets that requirement. In the other areas, he is the exact same as any liberal democrat and the truth needs to be told about this character. No one takes him serious as a presidential candidate, but he does take away vote from the other liberal in the race. His name is Romney.
Supporting America’s enemies is not a conservative position. No conservative ever apologizes for the al Qaeda, explains why bin Laden felt a need to attack America, or calls the traitor Bradley Manning a hero. Run Paul is worse than Obama when it comes to supporting the US in a dangerous world. Run Paul is a dumbed down libertarian with reductive Ayn Rand values that she’d have never supported. He’s so bad he’ll harm his son’s chance for future success as a Republican. His Independent supporters are mostly pot heads and perverts.
Racism & anti-antisemitism are not conservative traits.
Thanks for the great quotes! I will have to take some time to digest them all.