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Hate Ron Paul? Blame the establishment
The Daily Caller ^ | 1/16/12 | James Poulos

Posted on 01/16/2012 5:52:12 PM PST by traviskicks

He has a solid, unshakeable base. His poll numbers are rising, not sinking. He hasn’t had to go negative. He hasn’t had to deliver a speech to get past his newsletter-induced Reverend Wright moment.

Oh, and one other thing: he’s in this race ’til the finish line.

His name is Ron Paul, and you have the establishment to thank for his shocking march from the margins to something almost mainstream.

In retrospect, at least, there’s really nothing shocking about it. At every step, he has been boosted up and pushed forward by the horrendous failure of the establishment to remove the real-life conditions that heighten his appeal.

Some of these failings, and their great power, have begun to inspire pieces of commentary unthinkable even two years ago.

Says Charles Krauthammer of his position in the GOP: “regardless of my feelings or yours, the plain fact is that Paul is nurturing his movement toward visibility and legitimacy.”

Says Mark Steyn of his foreign policy: “deploring it is an inadequate response to a faction that is likely to emerge with the second-highest number of delegates at the GOP convention.”

Says Glenn Greenwald of his embarrassment of the left: “Ron Paul’s candidacy is a mirror held up in front of the face of America’s Democratic Party and its progressive wing, and the image that is reflected is an ugly one; more to the point, it’s one they do not want to see because it so violently conflicts with their desired self-perception.”

All true. Yet in the minds of many, inside and outside the Beltway, the particulars of Paulmentum continue to taint the phenomenon with more than a whiff of illegitimacy. There is the newsletter issue. There are the associations with conspiracy-mongering. There is the almost wickedly gleeful hawk-baiting on the subject of Iran. There are the legions of Paul fans, on the Internet and in meatspace, whose enthusiasm borders on the berserk, and sometimes more than borders.

These things inspire something more dangerous than fear in the hearts of elites (and of normal people who can’t quite bear the thought of deciding to comprehensively reject the elites’ global leadership). They inspire contempt.

Natural a reaction as it may be for some, contempt for Paul, his supporters, and his sympathizers is so dangerous because it reinforces the sense that the response of the establishment elite to the global economic crisis should leave only a crazy person feeling worse than ever about the U.S. and the world.

After all, the establishment makes an apparently compelling case that, even if you hate some things about the way the post-crisis world is shaking out, you ought to thank your deity of choice that we even have a world to hate on. Barack Obama is not the only one to insist, in so many words, that the establishment saved the human race from a total financial meltdown. Surely you tinfoil hat people could set your overactive imaginations racing with visions of the apocalyptic nightmare that would have entailed. Now where’re the thanks?

Well, there’s just one problem. The establishment elite managed to forestall Armageddon by intensifying the conditions that led to the colossal crisis in the first place. Some say they did this by choice; others say they were forced to do it. The motives don’t matter half as much as the outcome: a financial system more concentrated than before 2008; a political system more dysfunctional; an executive branch more powerful; a federal government possessed of more money, greater reach, and broader authority; and promises of even more to come.

One objection to the picture you are no doubt beginning to form in your head is that, this time, they got it right. This is actually a nontrivial claim. Surely you remember doing something insanely irresponsible and knowing in a flash (miraculous survival!) that you’d never be so carelessly stupid as to try that again. Give the establishment the benefit of the doubt.

But the benefit of the doubt doesn’t matter either. Again, look at the outcome: an increase in the level of risk of total system collapse, courtesy of the intensified factors that led to 2008.

Surely the old military adage holds true, though, that the safest place to hide from an incoming artillery shell is in the crater blown open by the last one? Unfortunately, the ground is shifting beneath us. The international situation, with its complexly interdependent political, economic, financial, and religious variables, is deep into a period of extreme volatility, and getting deeper.

Put differently, we are carrying a Jenga into a moon bounce, with the role of the Jenga being played by civilization as we know it.

The intuition of an “inadequate response” at this order of magnitude is the animating spirit behind the Paul phenomenon. It’s correct to note that Paul’s foundational emphasis on liberty is central to his success, but not enough thought is being put into why the liberty pitch is working.

Answer? Because the logic of liberty offers an alternative structural response to the foreboding risk calculus exacerbated by the establishment’s answer to 2008. Dispersing political authority, and the financial power that concentrates around it, makes for a game much different from Jenga.

Back in June, in my first column in these pages, I advised that a new world disorder would be blunted in the U.S. because of the deep and well-dispersed cultural and historical resources uniquely found among Americans at such a scale. As a whole, our establishment elites have proven unable so far to craft a response to the ongoing global predicament that will not minimize what advantages the American people do enjoy should a new crisis indeed transpire.

Given the apparent likelihood of a fresh crisis event, and given how our post-crisis system is structured to cascade disruptions toward catastrophe, the somewhat out-of-left-field logic of liberty advanced by Paul seems to be striking a growing number of Americans — not just on the right — as something less of a gamble.


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The Ron Paul Faction .
1 posted on 01/16/2012 5:52:14 PM PST by traviskicks
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To: traviskicks

OH PAHLEEEZE.

His TROLLS do his dirty work.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 5:56:43 PM PST by marty60
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To: traviskicks

The Salvador Dalí surreal world we live in with America on the precipice.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 5:57:26 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: traviskicks

‘Hate’ is a pretty strong word.
He’s a dangerous Nut - I base that on words that come out of his mouth and the way he acts.


4 posted on 01/16/2012 5:57:56 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: traviskicks

I blame the Paul Zombies. Bunch of twenty-something, anti-semitic, pot-head lunatic boys who sound like George Noory robots.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 6:02:20 PM PST by ponygirl
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To: traviskicks

“He hasn’t had to go negative.”

On what planet? Paul was the first to go negative against Newt in Iowa. Yes, even before Mitt did.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69859.html


6 posted on 01/16/2012 6:03:07 PM PST by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
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To: traviskicks

I still laugh when a 30+ year career politician (who claims to want term limits), accuses everyone else of being ‘establishment’. Guy has been sucking on the government and taxpayer tit longer than most of the others have been in government.


7 posted on 01/16/2012 6:04:30 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Josh Painter

Paultards have redefined negative. From the “have you had a gay affair with Perry” ads, to making fun of Huntsman’s adopted children. They put the dis in disgusting.


8 posted on 01/16/2012 6:06:04 PM PST by mnehring
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To: marty60

Unfortunately this is not going to be a typical election cycle. We are all on to the game by now, what with 24/7 news and people living longer, the voting public now knows exactly how this rigged game is played, and none of us like it. The ones who like it least, and have enjoyed all they want of the cram down procedure, are willing to make this the year that it all ends, when the people say “no more”, and no more waiting for the next cycle and the next, and the next, but NOW. These voters have gravitated to the only absurdly defiant one, Ron Paul, who is clearly running third party in our party, for the delegates.


9 posted on 01/16/2012 6:12:46 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012/ Ron Paul is already Third Party, inside OUR Party.)
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To: mnehring
"making fun of Huntsman’s adopted children

Another lie from the Paul haters, that ad was by a Huntsman supporter trying to discredit Paul. Just like the creeps that dress up in KKK garb and pretend to be for Paul. False Flag.

10 posted on 01/16/2012 6:13:21 PM PST by jpsb
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To: traviskicks

Hasn’t gone negative? When/where did this happen?


11 posted on 01/16/2012 6:15:42 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: jpsb
that ad was by a Huntsman supporter trying to discredit Paul.

Never proven, this was the spin as soon as this ad backfired. It was put out by New Hampshire for Liberty. Not a Huntsman group.

12 posted on 01/16/2012 6:16:15 PM PST by mnehring
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To: traviskicks

You got two Career Government Leftists (of which Ron Paul’s foreign policy is actually WORSE and TO THE LEFT of Obama’s) running against a Marxist criminal cabal.

The greater Leftist will win - which means if it’s either Mitt or Paul - Obama “wins”.

I will never vote for Ron Paul anymore than I would voter for Mittens of Obama. I REFUSE to vote for a political savior being foisted on us by a bunch of rabid Mob Zombies or Communists.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 6:19:13 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: traviskicks
Interesting.

Would you consider Jim DeMint part of or outside of the establishment.

He is not endorsing anyone at this time in the race. DeMint did support Romney in 08.
I ask this question because apparently he has said some very positive things about RP.
He also is allowing Pauls campaign to use his voice for phone calls.
If thats the case, DeMint may be facing a little backlash.

At the end of the day, Paul has taken a lot of heat from the establishment.

Likewise, Gingrich has taken some heat as well.

You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see that the establishment is pulling for one Mitt Romney.

14 posted on 01/16/2012 6:21:16 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: jpsb

So then it must not be the real David Duke, the KKK guy who endorsed alterPaul then, got it.


15 posted on 01/16/2012 6:22:19 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: jpsb

Very true. Also the same ad was used attacking Huntsman but had both Romney and Santorum as being endorsed. Huntsman did a great job for his cousin in NH. And would be rewarded if Romney wins the WH. But Romney won’t. The big joke is on us.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 6:24:53 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: RitaOK

“Ron Paul, who is clearly running third party in our party, for the delegates.”

I’m assuming that you’re anti-Paul? If so, let me congratulate you: you seem to get it. In my opinion, the second part of that statement (”for the delegates”) is a little off, but that’s just my opinion.

I’m truly pleased to have you in the opposition. Thanks for posting.

Until about a month ago, I would have been willing to bet the farm that Ron Paul was going to go third party. Then I had my own epiphany. There is no way he is going third party in the traditional sense of doing so.

Is Ron Paul crazy? Yup. He is. Just like a fox.


17 posted on 01/16/2012 6:28:47 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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To: traviskicks

Thanks for posting the interesting and provocative article.


18 posted on 01/16/2012 6:29:57 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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To: jpsb; mnehring

Wondering if you can provide the link to where alterPaul condemns the ad and asks that it be removed because he does not agree with the sentiment. Thanks.


19 posted on 01/16/2012 6:33:01 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Josh Painter

Thank you Josh for pointing that out. I quit reading the idiotic article at that point. I knew then the author was a Paul Tard.


20 posted on 01/16/2012 6:37:13 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: traviskicks
The first line is a lie "He has a solid, unshakeable base. His poll numbers are rising, not sinking. He hasn’t had to go negative. He hasn’t had to deliver a speech to get past his newsletter-induced Reverend Wright moment. "

Half of his base are Democrats.
Paultard called Bachmann Islamophobic and Santorum both Islamophobic and homophobic. Paul has his own newsletters and personal statements, which are as bad or worse than Reverend Wright. Paultards excuse is incompetence.
21 posted on 01/16/2012 6:37:13 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

there is a reason orn Paul is tied with Obama right now in the polls.

don’t you holier than thou types fng get it yet!!!!

many of us H A T E the newt, perry, bush, types with a passion and are sick of this garbage!

Ron Paul is the only one who jas not flipped and flopped 15 times over on the sot important issues.


22 posted on 01/16/2012 6:39:54 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: traviskicks

It is no surprise that RP has and his followers have gained traction politically in the last six years.

Our economy has tanked, the war against Islam is a really tough grind, and we have a Democrat controlled government that is clueless on how to turn the nation around.

These conditions set the stage for zealots and political cults to prosper.

So, the emotion behind RP is understandable. However, his positions are so wrong, it is obvious to the sane among us that his cure would be worse than the disease.

That is why he and his supporters can only be spoilers, never winners.

The net effect of RP’s followers this election will be to hand the nation back to Obama, because Republicans will not agree with their far out requirements. They will sit at home or vote Democrat because the Dems are closer on their social values (let me do what I want).

That is the bottom line, and why RP supporters should be held in low regard. They are not conservative, and care more for themselves than for their nation.


23 posted on 01/16/2012 6:51:25 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Ron Paul is the only one who jas not flipped and flopped 15 times over on the sot important issues.
Not flip flopping? You mean like being against Pork, unless it is good for his district?
Do you mean like opposing the homosexual agenda, until he voted for gays in the military?
Do you mean like claiming to be against illegal immigration, but opposing every practical measure to stop it and writing (or pretending to) a book that called for open borders?
Ron Paul flip flops so much that his first name ought to be "Willard".
24 posted on 01/16/2012 7:02:04 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: GlockThe Vote

Do realize that 60% of alterPauls support comes from democrats?
Do you get that he is a surrender monkey, who sympathies with islamic thugs?
Do realize that the nazi party of America endorsed him?
Do you realize that David Duke endorsed him?
Do you realize that he endorsed Cynthia McKinney?
Do you realize that he is a fraud? Terms limits but been in congress over 30 years. Cut government spending yet never introduced anything to accomplish that goal, or loads up bills with ear marks, fraud.
There is more of course.......
alterPaul is an anti-Semitic, racist, flip flopping delusional dangerous old man.


25 posted on 01/16/2012 7:11:05 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

Ron Paul and Romney are the only two with a chance of beating Thugbama whether you like it or not.


26 posted on 01/16/2012 7:13:58 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Sorry. Neither one will beat BHO.


27 posted on 01/16/2012 7:29:56 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

The polls disagree with you. Ron Paul or Romney cam beat Ghettobama, none of the others so far have shown that ability.


28 posted on 01/16/2012 7:32:24 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

BHO will be reelected no matter who runs.


29 posted on 01/16/2012 7:41:44 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

You follow a nut

The obama media want this racist 9-11 truther to be the poster boy
Of the GOP !

Paul voters are Dem crossing over to damage to the GOP !
Where have you been and who are you trying to fool here ?
We know Paul is a lunatic racist !


30 posted on 01/16/2012 7:43:54 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: ncalburt

I go issue by issue. rp is closest to where I am.


31 posted on 01/16/2012 7:45:16 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote; ncalburt

Really, you are a racist, anti-Semitic surrender monkey who is fraud? Sorry about that.


32 posted on 01/16/2012 8:02:29 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

I am A B O. I would vote for Joran Vandesloot over Obama right now.


33 posted on 01/16/2012 8:07:57 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Most of us are anyone but Obama or Romney. Problem is Romney is Obama and he’s ahead in all the polls.


34 posted on 01/16/2012 8:28:18 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: traviskicks

Ron Paul was horrible in the debate tonight. Only the low intellect of his supporters could explain the results that indicate a win for Ron Paul. The man makes absolutely no sense at all. He rambles and says nothing and his supporters cheer. It’s amazing. These same low intellect Paulers still argue about the separation of church and state.


35 posted on 01/16/2012 8:32:14 PM PST by Eva
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To: Josh Painter

No, Paul was the one who was responsible for most of theanti-Perry campaign. Perry just doubled down on his own destruction with his early debate performances. He sure turned that around tonight. Maybe too late, though.

Paul is a bigger nut than Ross Perot and more dangerous. He followers are dumber. Ron Paul utters nonsense and his supporters cheer. It doesn’t matter if he makes sense, he supports legalization of drugs! YEY!


36 posted on 01/16/2012 8:42:15 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

I think Perry may have earned his way onto the ticket, though.


37 posted on 01/16/2012 8:45:12 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: RKBA Democrat; RitaOK
Well I would call myself a Ron Paul hater, but I guess you would, but that's no never mind to me because as I see it it puts me in very good company.

“Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!” — Jim Robinson, 09/30/07
38 posted on 01/16/2012 9:20:50 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ponygirl
I blame the Paul Zombies. Bunch of twenty-something, anti-semitic, pot-head lunatic boys who sound like George Noory robots.

You left me out: a sober 62-year-old, vet with Jewish in-laws who can't stay up late enough for George Noory. And I will vote for Ron Paul.

39 posted on 01/16/2012 9:43:04 PM PST by TexasKamaAina
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To: Josh Painter

Yep. It took three sentences before the first outright, bald-faced lie. That’s where I stopped reading.

Of course, I should have looked at who posted it and skipped the drivel altogether.


40 posted on 01/16/2012 9:44:04 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: ponygirl
I blame the Paul Zombies. Bunch of twenty-something, anti-semitic, pot-head lunatic boys who sound like George Noory robots.

Excellent description of the Paul-bots / Pauistinians / PaulTards / Paul-bearers, ponygirl! We see this bunch every year at CPAC (bussed in, for the most part). They hijack the stupid CPAC Straw Poll every year, too... I see them stuff the ballot boxes with my own eyes. They're disgusting.

41 posted on 01/16/2012 9:47:52 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: TexasKamaAina
And I will vote for Ron Paul.

Why?

42 posted on 01/16/2012 11:51:19 PM PST by Bellflower
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To: traviskicks

Thanks for the post. Very interesting perspective.


43 posted on 01/17/2012 7:32:32 AM PST by aldabra
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To: RitaOK
These voters have gravitated to the only absurdly defiant one, Ron Paul,

A brilliant post. One way or the other "we the people" are our own worst enemy. I'm "absurdly" sick of the masochistic self-flagellation.

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

44 posted on 01/17/2012 8:04:00 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: A.Hun
However, his positions are so wrong, it is obvious to the sane among us that his cure would be worse than the disease. That is why he and his supporters can only be spoilers, never winners.

Ever heard of a pyrrhic victory? You may hold me in "low regard" but I respect you. I think you are on your way to eventually getting it. It's not necessarily selfish to quit playing a game where the house always wins. It's not necessarily selfish to risk dying on the operating table to remove the cancerous tumor. It's not necessarily selfish to abandon a sinking ship (unless you are an Italian cruise ship captain and you're the first one off).

See you in the surf.

45 posted on 01/17/2012 8:28:21 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Eva

I didn’t see all the debate, but Paul is not known, even amongst his (honest) supporters for being a great debater, which is sort of his appeal, no flash, all substance. :)


46 posted on 01/17/2012 8:55:54 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Bellflower
I can't speak for TexasKamaAina. I'm 41 and I hate substance abuse. I'm very optimistic in the long term and getting more and more pessimistic about the short term. I am for Paul.

Because he is not a dissimulating statist, I trust him on the following subjects:

I think it is very unlikely that he will win but he will bear a message to both the Obama and Romney campaigns who are doomed regardless of whether they win or lose.

I believe that Iran is a colossal distraction and I get disappointed every time Ron Paul amplifies the distracting effect by saying stupid things about it.

47 posted on 01/17/2012 9:15:06 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: traviskicks

Flash is all Ron Paul was going for in the debate. He was absolutely incomprehensible. He made no sense at all, he just kept going on and on, throwing out sound bites that were designed to get his immature base stirred up. Paul said nothing. He had no answers for anything, just sound bites that were unrelated to the question.

I think that Paul sees himself as the Perot of 2012. He knows that he isn’t going to win, but he wants to make sure that no strong conservative wins, either. He thinks that destroying the GOP will empower the Libertarians. Paul is a nut, but he is a dangerous nut.


48 posted on 01/17/2012 9:45:25 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
"He thinks that destroying the GOP will empower the Libertarians. "

Mr. Paul spoke Tuesday at South Carolina’s statehouse, where he picked up the endorsement of three of the state’s conservative lawmakers days ahead of South Carolina’s GOP primary on Saturday. State Sens. Kevin Bryant, Lee Bright and Danny Verdin added their backing to that of state Sen. Tom Davis, who endorsed Mr. Paul on Sunday.

More destruction?

49 posted on 01/17/2012 9:53:29 AM PST by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: Afronaut

Most definitely, more destruction. No true conservative would ever put their trust in someone who blames the US for 9/11.


50 posted on 01/17/2012 9:56:52 AM PST by Eva
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