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Posted on 04/22/2013 5:00:21 AM PDT by Amish
Is Justin Amash the new face of Republicanism?
By George F. Will
Published: Saturday, April 20, 2013, 9:00 p.m. Updated: Saturday, April 20, 2013
WASHINGTON
America's most interesting development since November is the Republican Party becoming more interesting. Consider the congressman from Grand Rapids, Mich., who occupies the seat once held by Gerald Ford, the embodiment of vanilla Republicanism.
Here's a little history on how he's been treated by the Speaker of the House.
What is the perspective from Michigan?
Ahmanutjob’s Press Secretary ? No.
Yea but no. He is good on some stuff, but way too in the Ron Paul camp on national defense. He actually criticized McCain for being too hard on Iran and voted against sanctions for Iran. Being to the left of McCain on anything is not a face we want out front.
Stick him in some finance committee or something.
He also blew it on North Korea as well.
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/15/rep-amash-votes-no-on-resolution-condemning-north-korean-nuclear-test/
...and pro-amnesty
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/03/us_rep_justin_amash_reveals_3-.html
He also voted “present” on defunding Planned Parenthood back in 2011. What is unfortunate is that the ACU ratings don’t often show how liberal/statist (or bizarre) some members like Amash are (since they rate him an 88% overall, which ignores all this other stuff). The Paulites especially can really do nutty things... how exactly does one rate “condemning” McCain for an attack on the Iranian dictator ? That alone ought to earn a one-way ticket out of Congress. I expect that sort of unhinged stuff from the peanut gallery of the Stalinist Dem wing, the Cynthia McKinney types, not from the GOP.
Amash Bump.
Very impressive fellow. I wish there were more House members like him and fewer ones like Boehner and Cantor.
He’s a clown.
No one has announced for Levin’s seat yet which surprises me. If he were to be the nominee, kiss the seat goodbye. Paulestian types are losers at the polls. But I hope he runs and loses the primary.
How ‘bout fewer members like Boehner, Cantor AND Amash ?
I’d love to put my congressman (Tim Walberg) in the senate but he’s just not a tough campaigner or terribly outspoken guy. Just one of those quiet toilers who doesn’t look for TV cameras.
If George “The Squish” Will is writing positive things about him, I don’t like him.
There is a reason that libertarians can't get elected to anything if they come out of the closet and admit it.
At this point I would take just about anyone to the right of Saul Anuzis. Amash wouldn’t be my first choice but if he won the nomination I would vote for him.
ACU gave Mitch McConnell a 100 score last term. That should tell you everything you need to know.
RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
You could vote for him 10x and he will still lose. I would be forced to vote for him if he gets the nomination, but he would lose bigtime.
Yup.
Memo to George Will: The House seats in Michigan (as in every state with more than one House member) have been redistricted four times since Gerry Ford was a congressman, so a guy of your intellect should have figured out that Amash doesn't occupy "the same seat" that Ford once did. And if you want to call someone "the embodiment of vanilla Republicanism," just look in the mirror at yourself! Maybe you've lost some of your vaunted brain power by hanging out with too many MSM lefties in Washington.
Dingell? Isn't it about time for that geezer to retire?
Why retire now ? He just needs to serve 18 more years beyond the current term and he and his father will have served 100 years in Congress (yes, it has been just over 80 years so far).
Just look at the other side of the state where the Dingell family has held the throne since 1933 and that’s just a father and son.
Dingell senior changed the family name from Dzieglewicz to run for the seat with the catchy slogan of “Ring with Dingell”
Little Johnny was a page on the house floor at the start of WWII.
He was never going to be anything but a politician.
A real Dingell-ing!!! I wouldn't blame dad for changing that name. Hard to get elected with a name no one can pronounce, regardless of anything else. He wouldn't have been the first Polish (or Italian, or Jewish, or whatever) American to Anglicize his or her name, nor the last. Nowadays, though, if your family name is Spanish-sounding, you'd be better off to keep it as it is.
“Sorry, you can’t be impressive, on a conservative site, and be Pro-Amnesty.”
No one on this site is more Anti-Amnesty than I am, as you could find out by checking my posting history.
What I had previously heard about Amash concerned his positions on the budget and his willingness to oppose Boehner, a rare thing among the invertebrates that largely populate the Republican majority.
I had not heard that Amash was pro-amnesty. If he is, it is a poison pill to anyone who would support him.
“How ‘bout fewer members like Boehner, Cantor AND Amash ?”
I find it rare when I can support Boehner/Cantor on any issue. I will support Amash on slashing spending and the size of the federal behemoth and oppose him on immigration, both on amnesty and on maintaining the insanely high level of legal immigrants allowed in. Same with Rand Paul.
Thanks for the heads-up on Amash’s position on immigration.
You can get away with Dutch names in Michigan but that’s about as exotic as they get outside Detroit.
It’s unfortunate we should have to accept either/or types of Republican pols. Either Big Gubmint RINOs or kooks like Amash. We should have people strong across the board, because that is what it means to be a Conservative.
“It’s unfortunate we should have to accept either/or types of Republican pols. Either Big Gubmint RINOs or kooks like Amash. We should have people strong across the board, because that is what it means to be a Conservative.”
You’re right, but who is there other than Mike Lee in the Senate and a handful in the House?
Ted Cruz is about the best Senator. It’s why he’s one of my top picks for President in 2016.
Yes, I should have mentioned Cruz along with Lee.
Cruz is top notch and takes no prisoners. I would support him in a heartbeat.
“You can get away with Dutch names in Michigan but that’s about as exotic as they get outside Detroit.”
We in West Mi like Justin.
I find it silly that Dingell has any district at all to run in after all this time. He’s gone from an era where Detriot had multiple districts within the city and could elect white Democrats* to now when Detriot no longer has *one* district wholly in its boundaries and both have mostly black populations. Do his current constituents at all resemble the constituents he represented when he was first elected in 1955?
* Actually, the election of Gary Peters shows a white Democrat could still be elected from a Detriot-based district, but lately I was doubting even the possibility that it could happen.
No, I don’t believe one square inch of Dingell’s original 1955 district remains in the one he’s in now. The old one was essentially created in 1932 and was a diagonal/rectangular strip that ran north/northwest from the Detroit River at the downtown. There were a few similar adjacent ones at the time (all created in 1932 since there hadn’t been redistricting in some time and Detroit’s booming growth had occurred over the prior 20-30 years).
The city had something like 6 districts at the time (post-1932). For the most part, those districts remained essentially intact until the 1960s when Detroit entered its severe decline that has continued unabated. The White ethnics that held those districts that had to either run against each other or retire.
In 1964, they had to redistrict the seats to create a second Black district (for John Conyers) and after that time, Dingell’s seat gradually moved to the south and west. Now it goes (post 2013) from western Wayne County all the way past Ann Arbor and west of there (the latter of which was Republican suburbia decades ago before the Academic Democrat moonbats transformed it).
Curiously, Ann Arbor Democrats don’t like Dingell. They consider him a relic of the old Labor/Blue-Collar Detroit (and pro-NRA, viscerally anathema to them). Their preference was for former Congresswoman Lynn-Nancy Rivers, who was forced to run against him in 2002 and lost (when by all accounts, he should’ve retired).
What was left of Dingell’s original district eventually was absorbed into one or both of the two Black districts by the ‘70s and ‘80s. Of course, with the rapidly deteriorating population of Detroit, even Conyers’ district had to move towards more of suburbia. Following the 2002 redistricting, the districts had to enlarge even more (the size of the districts now resemble the pre-1932 dimensions, albeit with different demographics).
The other Black district (non-Conyers) has had troubled members representing it since it first elected a Black in 1954 (preceding Conyers by a decade, and had been Republican as recently as 1949). As we well know, the mother of the corrupt Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick held the seat concurrently with her son (Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick). She almost lost the primary in 2008, and finally fell in 2010 to Hansen Clarke. Clarke’s problem from the get-go was that he won an election just prior to redistricting and simply didn’t have a good hold on the district.
The district Gary Peters held was Republican until 2006 (and had been for decades prior). Since MI was going to have to shed another seat, it was logical to target Peters as the GOP failed to regain the seat in 2010 (though coming with 2%, but Peters won with 49%) and move the GOP areas of the district to the adjacent seats. Again, with Detroit’s continual loss of population going into 2012, (which was now only enough to have 1 seat, although it was divided between two in order to maintain 2 Black members, but with a substantially lower % of Black population) meant that it would have to take in even more of the suburbs.
Clarke’s district would now have to take in a large swath of Oakland County, which included parts of Peters’ district. Ordinarily, I’d have thought that Clarke would’ve had an edge, if only on race, but he faced a problem in 2012, and that was divided Black opposition (where a Black suburban Mayor decided to run). Because there’s no runoff, it turned out that Peters had the edge (and I have no doubt that Democrat primary voters broke on racial lines). He took Oakland County and won with a plurality of 47%. Clarke took Wayne County, but only mustered 35%. Two other Black candidates (Mayor Lawrence and a State Rep.) took the critical 15% from Clarke. So, for the first time since 1952, a White won Michigan’s premier Black district (greatly augmented from its original lines, of course... under the current lines in 1952, a Republican would’ve won).
Presuming Peters doesn’t take a run for Governor in 2014, it will be curious to see if he draws a major Black primary opponent or faces a divided field of Black opponents. It’s not entirely out of the question that a Black could win it back in an open primary, but it depends upon if one racial group gets behind a single opponent. Whichever one has a divided field will likely be the one that loses.
Here in TN, we have White Democrat Steve Cohen representing Memphis’s 9th district, despite the fact that Blacks make up the overwhelming majority of primary voters. Cohen lucked out initially in 2006 due to a divided Black field in the primary (and no runoff). He should’ve been toast in 2008, but in that and the successive primaries, he has benefitted from astonishingly poor challengers whom have run solely on the race card, which have all blown up in their faces, as Black primary voters choose Cohen. If in 2006 you’d have told me he’d have been in office this long, I’d have thought you were nuts.
I thought that the two Southfield candidates running against Clarke and Peters were (i) the black Mayor and (ii) a Jewish city tresurer or some such. Peters would have beaten Clarke on primary day (I’m not talking about a hypothetical run-off, which would have much lower turnout) even had it been one-on-one. Maybe Clarke being 50% Bangladeshi hurt him, and the Southfield Mayor running alone could have won.
I think that Peters wil lrun for governor or Senator just to avoid that 2014 House primary.
http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=739871
You can see the primary candidates here from 2012. I still think Peters commands enough support to be renominated in 2014, barring some hugely popular Black challenger. Clarke may run again, but unless this is an open seat, I don’t see him winning (and ‘14 may feature a depressed Black turnout as well, so a single White candidate absent Peters from Oakland County could take it).
I stand corrected. I’m pretty sure that a Jewish candidate from Southfield (a city or county officer IIRC) had filed to run, but I guess that he or she dropped out prior to the primary.
Being half-White sure hurt Obama in 2000 against Bobby Rush, it may have been the centerpiece of Rush's campaign. But Rush was Black, Peters is not. Those other 2 Black candidates cost Clarke the win.
Met and talked with him 6 times at least. Very cunning calculating arab american. Uses transparency as his call to fame, explaining every vote on Facebook and his goal is to not miss a vote ever. But repeatedly, he votes against his party when it doesn’t really count because the vote is going to be one sided anyway, then he uses these instances of “ Independent Thought” to statistically show how independent he is.
His achilles heel is the moslum question. Try and say anything bad against islam or moslums or arabs and he can’t control his response. .....always defending the latter.
I wish I could trust him but he seems to be controlled by someone or thing. Of course he is better than a baby killing democrat so I support him .....for now. But until I see him come out and attack the moslum religion, I will consider him a puppet whose strings are thousands of miles long.
I take yours and cripplecreek’s knowledge of Mr. Amash on their face as truth. Thanks for sharing this deeper perspective.
I don’t really have anything bad to say about the guy. No one is perfect, I just really like what Dr Steele has to say.
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