The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Glorieta Pass (March 26-29 1862) - Nov. 20th, 2003

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[SAMWolf]

What I love is that every country managed to get around the Treaty Limits. So much for a piece of paper guaranteeing peace.

[GATOR NAVY]

I the U.S. and U.K made real efforts to stick to the treaties. Of course the Japanese and the Germans blatantly cheated on the tonnage of individual ships.

[SAMWolf]

One of the reasons we were at a disadvantage at the beginning of the war was because we didn't blatantly ignore the treaty.

[PhilDragoo]

UFO Incident During the Cuban Missile Crisis

October 1962

By Francis L. Ridge

The recent release of the motion picture about the Cuban Missile Crisis, "Thirteen Days", reminded me of one of the UFO cases I investigated, but never filed or published, in the 1980's. In the 60's and early 70's, when I was with NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena), one of our major concerns was the possibility of accidental nuclear war caused by jittery defense radarmen mistaking UFOs for Russian missiles or jets. And when we had the Cuban Missile Crisis in October of 1962 there was never a time when we were closer to a nuclear confrontation, out of the 16 times we know about, as our research from the NCP (Nuclear Connection Project) indicates. The entire U.S., Canada, and Alaska were on a top Security Option 5 alert. I can't tell you about other events around the country, but in NORAD Region 21 something slower than an incoming missile, but faster than our jet interceptors, was violating airspace all the way from New Jersey, Pennslyvania, New York, on into Canada and Alaska, and we were ready to use tactical nuclear weapons, if necessary, to stop it.

A friend of mine was a radar expert and a defense radar operator at that time. Years before he died he told me of this incident during the Cuban Missile Crisis which fully illustrated the seriousness, plus gives us an insight into who was, or was not, the intelligence behind the UFO phenomena. This incident was just one of many, and a very interesting one, indeed.

But first, let me set the stage:

An F-106 (as shown above) is an all-weather interceptor which was developed from the Convair F-102 "Delta Dagger". It was designed from the ground up as an Interceptor and nothing but. It was originally designated as the F-102B, following it's predecessor the F-102 Delta Dagger, but was redesignated the F-106 because of it's extensive structural changes and the more powerful Pratt & Whitney J57 engine. The first F-106A flew on Dec. 26, 1956. A total of 277 F-106As and 63 F-106Bs were built. The F-106 used a Hughes MA-1 electronic guidance and fire control system. After takeoff, the MA-1 can be given control of the aircraft to fly it to the proper altitude and attack position. Then it can fire the Genie Air 2A Nuclear Rocket and Hughes Aim 4 Falcon missiles, break off its attack run, and return the aircraft to the vicinity of its base. The pilot takes control again for the landing. Maximum speed: 1,587 mph.Cruising speed: 650 mph.Range:1,500 miles ("A" model) 575 miles ("B" model).

F-102 "Delta Dagger"

If the reader wishes to skip the next two paragraphs, concerning the F-102 and the SAGE system, the report context will not suffer.

The Convair F-102 "Delta Dagger" had the primary mission of intercepting and destroying enemy aircraft. It was the world's first supersonic all-weather jet interceptor and the USAF's first operational delta-wing aircraft. The F-102 made its initial flight on Oct. 24, 1953 and became operational with the Air Defense Command in 1956. At the peak of deployment in the late 1950's, F-102s equipped more than 25 ADC squadrons. In a wartime situation, after electronic equipment on board the F-102 had located the enemy aircraft, the F-102's radar would guide it into position for attack. At the proper moment, the electronic fire control system would automatically fire the F-102's air-to-air rockets and missiles. However, performancewise the maximum speed was only 810 mph, with a cruising speed of 600 mph. And its range was 1,000 miles with a service ceiling of only 55,000 ft.

SAGE (Semi-Automatic Ground Environment) was the military response to the perceived Cold War threat that came into being almost immediately after WWII. The concern was for the Air Defense of North America. SAGE was the technical answer to the need to convert raw radar data to digital form and display it in real-time. This enabled SAGE operators to detect and and direct the intercept of any unknown aircraft penetrating the air space of the North American Continent. The Air Defense Command of the United States Air Force had the command authority to operate and maintain the SAGE system. The Massachusetts Institute of Technology's (MIT) Lincoln Lab was responsible for the system design of SAGE, both hardware and software. The computer, the AN/FSQ-7, was built and installed by IBM. SAGE was perhaps the start of the military-industrial complex that exists to this day. The origin of much of the computer technology existing today had its beginning in SAGE.

The incident took place over a wide area, but in and around the 21st NORAD Region. My friend/informant who told me this story was stationed near Palermo AFB, New York, at a small and remote radar site running a height-finder, an AN/FPS-6.. In the region there were eight height-finder radars devoted to SAGE in the Air Defense Sector, and seven of these had manual lock-ons in this case because the Uncorrelated Target (UFO) was overflying the lobe patterns of the search radars. Palermo was a BUIC Phase One Site. There never was a visual, but this unknown was making a lot of people sweat. There were a lot of witnesses, including many officers. The UT that he and many others tracked that late afternoon had originally spawned the alarm from New Jersey and Pennsylvania on into New York and later into Canada with the entire Sector running an alert with a nuclear-armed F-106.

His site became involved when the alert was handed off to the Boston Air Defense Sector. The object was painted by the AN/FPS-6 with a radar reflectivity similar to a 106, or larger, in size. By the time the UFO had crossed into Rome, NY, it was cruising strait and level at 73.6 thousand feet, and was pulling away from the F-106 at full afterburner, which was mach 2.3. All this time they were listening to the communicatons from the Direction Center, which was "reading the data back to them" as they were involved in the tracking.

What really impressed him was, there were two F-102's in the air on the scramble mission. But, at New York, once the F-106 was airborne, the UFO broke off its pattern. He told me it had a "6th sense". The UFO knew, apparently, that the F-102's couldn't reach its altitude, but the F-106 could. The F-106 took a JUDY, which took control from the pilot and stayed at full afterburner for 22-23 minutes, but never saw or ever caught up with the UFO. The 102 landed with 16" less tailpipe than it started with, but not before flaming out at 75,000 feet at full power, a pretty scarry situation.

The last they heard was that the UFO had passed into Canadian air space and they had nothing that could reach its altitude. Within a few hours the incident had tapped out the entire Alaskan Air Defense, which had everything in the air, which included all the "deuces" (F-102's) and the six F-106's they had.

Forty years ago, something real was tracked by at least seven defense radars. This occurred during one of the most dangerous times in our history, the Cuban Missile Crisis. Although they call it "Thirteen Days", this crisis took in the best part of three weeks. We were just not aware of it. The object was not a Russian missile; ICBMs move ten times faster than that. It wasn't a jet. It wasn't ours and it wasn't Russian. They knew it then, but we all know now for sure. There was no visual sighting, but the UFO was 14 miles up and moving faster than anything we had in the air. Was this an isolated incident? I really doubt it. The UFO may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, but if I hadn't been an FI for the Center for UFO Studies and State Director for MUFON at the time I got this report, this incident would not have come to light, which indicates we have only the tip of the iceberg.

Francis Ridge
NICAP Site Coordinator

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

Just not in Canada, he added.

[PhilDragoo]

GLORIETA PASS BATTLEFIELD (PIGEON'S RANCH)
CNM 50
Pecos, NM 87552

Location: Take I-25 Exit 307 (Rowe) Go N on NM 63 for 5.8 mi. Turn left (W); go 4.5 mi. to pitched roof adobe building on right (N) side of road. Pigeon's Ranch, beneath rocky ridge on left (N) of road. Pigeon's is also 6 mi. WNW of Pecos National Historical Park visitor center; check with the visitor's center before going to the site.

Description: The pitched-roof adobe building within 2' of the N guide rail on NM 50, on the NE bank of Glorieta Creek, contains the remains of a stone corral on W. Several low mounds delineate its W & E out buildings. 100' high Sharpshooter's Ridge begins 100' NW. Picture shows Pigeon's Ranch (in the distance, right center) and NM 50 (Scenic Byway) from Confederate positions (artillery).

Significance: This adobe building is all that remains of Alexander Valle's 18-room stage station complex. Built before 1860, it anchored the center of the Union lines during the Battle of Glorieta Pass when it was the focal point of the Texas Confederate assault (1862). It served as the Union and Confederate field hospital. The SFT lies beneath NM 50. Glorieta Pass Battlefield is a National Historic Landmark.

Fort Union, New Mexico. Reenactment of the Battle at Glorieta from Pecos National Historical Park.

"My dear sir, we beat the enemy where we encountered them. The famished country beat us."--

General Sibley, in a personal letter to the father of a fallen Federal soldier. In both major battles, Valverde and Pigeon's Ranch, the Confederates were victorious. In the skirmishes at Albuquerque and Peralta, the Rebels repelled attacks against their defensive positions.

Apache Canyon and Glorieta Mesa, US Interstate 25, Mile Marker 296

Interstate: American for vanilla

1947 Joe Walsh Wichita KS, guitarist/rocker (Eagles-Take it Easy)

Well, I'm a runnin' down the road, tryin' to loosen my load,
I've got seven women on my mind:
four that wanna own me, two that wanna stone me,
one says she's a friend of mine.
Take it easy, take it easy,
don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.
Lighten up while you still can, don't even try to understand,
just find a place to make your stand and take it easy.

Well, I'm a standin' on a corner in Winslow, Arizona
and such a fine sight to see:
it's a girl, my Lord, in a flat bed Ford
slowin' down to take a look at me.
Come on, baby, don't say maybe.
I gotta know if your sweet love is gonna save me.
We may lose and we may win though we will never be here again.
So open up, I'm climbin' in, so take it easy.

Well, I'm a runnin' down the road, tryin' to loosen my load, got a world of trouble on my mind.
Lookin' for a lover who won't blow my cover,
she's so hard to find.
Take it easy, take it easy,
don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.
Come on, baby, don't say maybe.
I gotta know if your sweet love is gonna save me.
Oh, we got it easy,
we oughta take it easy.

Wurden Sie mögen mein sehen
bicyclespankentruppen?

[radu]

Oboy....'puter going bonkers on ya again?

I feel for ya, belieeeeeeve me, I do. I pitch screaming fits at this monster once in a while.

[SAMWolf]

Evening Phil Dragoo.

Great story about the UFO and the Delta Dagger.

Thanks for all the additional pics of Glorieta Pass. I had a hard time finding any, you have a good source.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[snippy_about_it]

Wurden Sie mögen mein sehen bicyclespankentruppen?

LOL. Thanks Phil. I'm going to have to practice with that line!

[snippy_about_it]

Hi Matt. I hate it everytime I hear that slogan, "religion of peace". I wish they would all just remain in their own lands and fight with each other as they choose. They can stay in the dark ages where their religion lives.

Anyway, enough of the evil. Let me wish you a Good Morning at least before you get my blood boiling. :)

[Colonel_Flagg]

Good morning, all.

Snippy, you're probably gonna have to make a command decision here. ;)

They're your elite force. Are they truppen or gruppen?

I ripped off the original idea for the name from the moosenspankengruppen on FR, but I think the proper German would be to say "truppen". But then, there's a reason why my heritage is Swedish. ;)

[Johnny Gage]

Thanks Phil. What a great read.

UFO's. That's something I go back & forth on.

[snippy_about_it]

They're your elite force. Are they truppen or gruppen?

bicyclespankengruppentruppen

LOL, I kind of like the long version but you are probably correct, I will have to make a decision. Hmmm. I will think about it this morning.

[Colonel_Flagg]

bicyclespankengruppentruppen

You are a true diplomat, my friend. ;)

[SAMWolf]

Truppen would mean either "troops" or possibly a specialized branch of service, ie PanzerTruppen.

Gruppen would mean a "Group" usually ad-hoc and thrown together for a specific mission.

It's your call. I think Truppen is better for Snippy's "Army"

[colorado tanker]

LOL! Great pix today, Phil.

[Colonel_Flagg]

Mornin', Sam!

As usual, I bow to the superior intellect. :) Hope you're off to a good start today.

[snippy_about_it]

Since you both agree on truppen, that's what I'll go with. Thank you both. :)