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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - M4 Sherman Medium Tank - Feb 24th, 2004
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Posted on 02/24/2004 12:03:03 AM PST by SAMWolf

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To: Professional Engineer
O.K. I admit this is my first time on this website and my first time posting anything. I have tried to find the closest area to what I am trying to find. If I am wrong in anyway, please direct me to the correct course of action. In saying all that, I am trying to find out what the words "attached to the Rangers" means.
101 posted on 02/24/2004 11:14:07 AM PST by Trying to understand
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To: Trying to understand
attached to the Rangers

In what context? A tank Platoon attached to the Rangers? An Engineer squad attached to the Rangers? For some missions specialized units or people with a specialized skill would "be attached" to another unit. For instance, A Ranger unit might have need of some armor for a particular mission, the armor would "be attached" until it would no longer be needed (in theory). It is not an organic part of the Ranger unit, but would normally be under the command of the Rangers until "unattached". Hope this helps or someone else may have a better explaination.

102 posted on 02/24/2004 11:29:29 AM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: SAMWolf; Trying to understand
Sam, Could this also be used in the context of a troop? "Joe is atttached to the Rangers"? I know from our talks your "unit" was attached to many bigger groups, i.e., regiments, batallions, etc and kept being moved and attached to others. (forgive my weakness in the vernacular).
103 posted on 02/24/2004 11:42:20 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Trying to understand
By the way, welcome to FR and The FReeper Foxhole. You've probably come to the right place. :-)

Stick around, maybe tell give us a little more detail and you'll more than likely get your answer.
104 posted on 02/24/2004 11:45:46 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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My Company was attached to different units all the time, as needed. I've also heard of individuals being attached to a unit or even a squad. It's usually a temporary thing(though temporary can be a long time sometimes).
105 posted on 02/24/2004 11:51:25 AM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: SAMWolf
Company/unit...thanks. I have this stuff written down but not memorized yet. :-)
106 posted on 02/24/2004 11:54:51 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Hello. Not knowing what level your question is coming from and exactly what you need I hope we are helping the best we can. I thought maybe you'd like to know more about just what and who the Rangers are.

Clic on this for a good place to find out.

107 posted on 02/24/2004 12:00:03 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Trying to understand
Thanks for the hospitality. My brother was killed recently and as far as I knew he was a Ranger. After he died, I received phone calls and letters from people he worked with. One call confused me because he implied that my brother was actually part of some type of special forces group that was "planted" or "attached" to this particular Ranger unit. This may be really far out there, but I just thought is was strange and really want to know as much as I can about what my brother might have done.
108 posted on 02/24/2004 12:08:46 PM PST by Trying to understand
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To: Trying to understand
Thanks for the website. My brother had a black hat, does that mean he wasn't a ranger?
109 posted on 02/24/2004 12:17:21 PM PST by Trying to understand
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To: Trying to understand
I'm sorry for your loss and that you don't know more about your brothers service. You might contact the Army and provide them with more data to see if they can help.
110 posted on 02/24/2004 12:18:19 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Trying to understand; SAMWolf
My brother had a black hat, does that mean he wasn't a ranger?It depends on when he served really. Here is some information, not necessarily up to date but the best I can do right now. If you have anyone else in your family you can get more information from you can perhaps contact his unit website or the service directly?

Armor personnel at Fort Knox, Ky., wore the traditional British black beret, while U.S. armored cavalry regiments in Germany wore the black beret with a red and white oval.

Troops of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., started wearing the maroon beret in 1973, while at Fort Campbell, Ky., the trend exploded, with post personnel wearing red, military police donning light green, and the 101st Airborne Division taking light blue as their color. In Alaska, the 172nd Infantry Brigade began using an olive green beret.

In 1975, the Airborne Rangers got approval from the Army Chief of Staff to use the black beret as their official headgear.

Over the next few years, the whole thing got out of hand, and in 1979 senior Army officials put on the brakes, Bradford said. The leadership allowed the Rangers to keep their black berets and in 1980, agreed to allow airborne troops to continue wearing the maroon version. But all others varieties were declared off-limits.
111 posted on 02/24/2004 12:25:56 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Trying to understand
Unfortunately,

Effective 14 June 2001, the first Army birthday in the new millennium, the black beret will become standard wear in The Army--Active and Reserve Components. Sergeant Major of the Army Tilley will lead the effort to craft implementing guidelines, including indoctrination standards that all Soldiers will meet before they are authorized to wear the beret. Special operations and airborne units will retain their distinctive berets.

I don't know if that order was rescinded. Rangers would have the Ranger patch on their beret though.

112 posted on 02/24/2004 12:29:06 PM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: Trying to understand
Please accept my condolences on the loss of your brother.

If you have any info on the unit he was assigned to someone may be able to help with more information
113 posted on 02/24/2004 12:30:46 PM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: SAMWolf
He was stationed at HAAF from 94-98.
114 posted on 02/24/2004 12:31:03 PM PST by Trying to understand
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IS HAAF, Hunter Army Airfield?
115 posted on 02/24/2004 12:33:47 PM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: Trying to understand
Last question. Thank again for all of your help. I am sure the knowledge in this forum is way beyond my comprehension. Would it be strange for someone who was stationed as an Airborne Ranger 1/75 not to have actually gone to "ranger school"?

116 posted on 02/24/2004 12:34:19 PM PST by Trying to understand
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To: SAMWolf
Yes, sorry HAAF is Hunter Army Airfield in Savannah, GA
118 posted on 02/24/2004 12:36:07 PM PST by Trying to understand
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I'm not an expert, but if his paper work says he was an Airborne Ranger in the 1/75, he probably did go to Ranger School. Do you know if he wore the "Ranger" flash on his uniform?
119 posted on 02/24/2004 12:38:11 PM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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To: Matthew Paul
The Allied won, Nazis lost and that's the most important!

Good Afternoon, Matt

Yep, it's just that the cost in lives was increased.

120 posted on 02/24/2004 12:40:12 PM PST by SAMWolf (You've got to be really scummy to make Clinton look honest. - (Samwise, describing John Kerry))
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