Free Republic
Browse · Search
VetsCoR
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The FReeper Foxhole Profiles Combat Medic SP4 Donald W. Evans, Jr. - March 5th, 2004
http://alphaassociation.homestead.com/ ^

Posted on 03/05/2004 4:19:52 AM PST by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



...................................................................................... ...........................................

U.S. Military History, Current Events and Veterans Issues

Where Duty, Honor and Country
are acknowledged, affirmed and commemorated.

Our Mission:

The FReeper Foxhole is dedicated to Veterans of our Nation's military forces and to others who are affected in their relationships with Veterans.

In the FReeper Foxhole, Veterans or their family members should feel free to address their specific circumstances or whatever issues concern them in an atmosphere of peace, understanding, brotherhood and support.

The FReeper Foxhole hopes to share with it's readers an open forum where we can learn about and discuss military history, military news and other topics of concern or interest to our readers be they Veteran's, Current Duty or anyone interested in what we have to offer.

If the Foxhole makes someone appreciate, even a little, what others have sacrificed for us, then it has accomplished one of it's missions.

We hope the Foxhole in some small way helps us to remember and honor those who came before us.

To read previous Foxhole threads or
to add the Foxhole to your sidebar,
click on the books below.

"Doc" Evans






Actions at Operation Cedar Falls



OPERATION CEDAR FALLS was an encirclement of the IRON TRIANGLE, North of Saigon. It was determined that the area should be neutralized before another venture into War Zone C. To accomplish this, it was decided to completely depopulate the Iron Triangle area and turn it into a Free Fire Zone. In particular, MACV was determined to destroy the village of Ben Suc, long a VC stronghold north of the Hobo Woods. After the village was secured, a captured VC platoon leader confirmed that no less than 4 companies operated out of the village. The village also had an extensive underground tunnel complex. The entire population of the village was evacuated, the tunnels filled with acetylene, and detonated, collapsing the network. All structures above ground were also leveled. Ben Suc was given up to the surrounding jungle and remained so for the duration of the war.




The 3rd Brigade of the 4th Division served as a support and diversionary force, working out of Dau Tieng during most of this campaign. Its mission was to fan out in company size formations and generally confuse the enemy into thinking a new probe into War Zone C was imminent. This allowed the units in the south to move without compromising their real intention.

During this campaign, on January 27, at an action that occurred near Tri Tam, A company, 2/12 of the Third Brigade stumbled into a reinforced bunker complex. The lead point man was immediately put down by small arms fire and a ferocious battle ensued.



Spec 4 Donald Evans Jr., a Company Medic, braved enemy fire to administer life saving treatment to two downed soldiers, dragging a third to safety through a savage hail storm of enemy fire. Returning to treat additional fallen comrades, he was wounded by grenade fragments himself. In spite of his painful injuries he successfully evacuated another fallen comrade. Told to report to the rear, he refused and successfully moved another wounded person across another dangerous open area. He once more returned to the hostilities, where finally he was felled by small arms fire. Donald had made the supreme sacrifice and was awarded the first Medal Of Honor, posthumously, that the 4th Division earned in Vietnam.



CEDAR FALLS succeeded in killing over 700 insurgents, seizing 200 prisoners and 500 ralliers , making it the first operation in III Corps during which the enemy who surrendered equaled the number killed. Evacuating the Iron Triangle resulted in 5, 987 refugees who were relocated to Phu Cuong. Eventually, after 5 long months, they were moved to a government resettlement area ten kilometers to the south. The entire Iron Triangle now was vacant of civilians. Enemy equipment losses totaled 23 crew served weapons, 590 individual weapons, and over 2800 explosives such as mines, grenades, etc., 60,000 rounds of small arms ammunition and 7500 uniforms.



SP4 Donald Evans was a member of Alpha Company, 2d Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment (A/2/12), which was part of the 3d Brigade of the 4th Infantry Division. 3d Brigade/4th ID embarked at Seattle, Washington, on the troop ship General Nelson M. Walker in September 1966. After a stop in Okinawa, the ship arrived at Vung Tau on 8 October 1966, and the troops went ashore in landing craft.



The brigade was assigned to III Corps Region in the 25th ID Area of Operations, just north of Saigon. The rest of 4th ID was at Pleiku in the Central Highlands.



On Tuesday, 1 November 1966, A/2/12 was in Saigon and marched in the National Day Parade, the commemoration of the establishment of the Republic of South Vietnam. Here is a picture of Alpha Company after the parade, which shows LT Allyn Palmer and guidon bearer PFC Larry Savage leading the company back to the assembly area.

In January 1967, 3d Brigade/4th ID was involved in Operation Cedar Falls. It served as a support and diversionary force working out of Dau Tieng, while the 1st and 25th Infantry Divisions performed a Search and Destroy Mission in the Iron Triangle to the south. Operation Cedar Falls officially ended on 26 January 1967, but A/2/12 encountered a Viet Cong strong point north of Dau Tieng the next day.



On Friday, 27 January 1967, SP4 Donald W. Evans, Jr., MOS 91B20, was killed in action while giving aid to wounded soldiers under fire. This occurred north of the Michelin rubber plantation at Dau Tieng, in the Tri Tam District of Binh Duong Province, South Vietnam. Specialist Evans was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Here is his Medal of Honor Citation:

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty.

He left his position of relative safety with his platoon which had not yet been committed to the battle to answer the calls for medical aid from the wounded men of another platoon which was heavily engaged with the enemy force. Dashing across 100 meters of open area through a withering hail of enemy fire and exploding grenades, he administered lifesaving treatment to 1 individual and continued to expose himself to the deadly enemy fire as he moved to treat each of the other wounded men and to offer them encouragement. Realizing that the wounds of 1 man required immediate attention, Sp4c. Evans dragged the injured soldier back across the dangerous fire-swept area, to a secure position from which he could be further evacuated. Miraculously escaping the enemy fusillade, Sp4c. Evans returned to the forward location. As he continued the treatment of the wounded, he was struck by fragments from an enemy grenade.

Despite his serious and painful injury he succeeded in evacuating another wounded comrade, rejoined his platoon as it was committed to battle and was soon treating other wounded soldiers. As he evacuated another wounded man across the fire covered field, he was severely wounded. Continuing to refuse medical attention and ignoring advice to remain behind, he managed with his waning strength to move yet another wounded comrade across the dangerous open area to safety. Disregarding his painful wounds and seriously weakened from profuse bleeding, he continued his lifesaving medical aid and was killed while treating another wounded comrade. Sp4c. Evan's extraordinary valor, dedication and indomitable spirit saved the lives of several of his fellow soldiers, served as an inspiration to the men of his company, were instrumental in the success of their mission, and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country."


Secretary of the Army Stanley R. Resor presented the Congressional Medal of Honor to Donald's wife and parents at a special ceremony at the Pentagon, Washington, D.C., on 4 June 1968. The Republic of South Vietnam also awarded him the Military Merit Medal and the Gallantry Cross with Palm.



Donald was survived by his wife, Bonnie Jean Evans, his parents, Donald and Elsie Evans, and his brothers Richard and Harvey. His father died in 1974. His mother died on Thursday, 28 June 2001, at the age of 88. Donald is buried next to his father in Oakdale Memorial Park, Glendora, California.


Combat Medic Memorial AMEDD Museum Ft. Sam Houston, Texas


On Thursday, 5 June 1986, Evans U.S. Army Hospital was dedicated to the memory of Specialist Fourth Class Donald Ward Evans, Jr, Soldier - Medic. Like all medics, he was known as 'Doc' to his friends. His name is inscribed on Panel 14E, Line 85, of the Vietnam War Memorial.

Paul M. Webber, M.D.
August 2001





Donald came from Covina, California. Covina is located twenty miles east of Los Angeles. Thirty miles to the west of his home was Riverside International Raceway. The raceway was a hotbed of racing in the 60's and 70's. Nascar raced there as did the Can-Am and Trans Am series. Donald spoke fondly of days racing at that track and vowed to return there someday.

He was twenty one when he was inducted into the Army and after basic training he was selected to be trained as a Medical Aidman. After his training he was attached to A/2/12 of the 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division while the unit was still training at Fort Lewis Washington. Just before the unit shipped overseas he got married to the love of his life, Bonnie.



He arrived in Vietnam in mid October, 1966 and the unit did not engage the enemy in any high intensity action until January 27th, 1967. On that day, while it was sweeping an area in Bihn Duong Province, in the Iron Triangle, the Company came up on an enemy bunker complex. As a result of Donald's heroic actions during this engagement he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was the first 4th Infantry Division soldier to receive the CMH in Vietnam. Doc Evans was sorely missed by his Brothers in the Company. All who came to know Donald understood Doc's unselfish nature and putting other people's safety above his own.

For thirty years most of the men from the Company were unaware of his honor as a CMH recipient. It was not the only honor that was accorded the man. A base camp was named after him near Pleiku, called Camp Evans. The highest honor occurred stateside in 1986 when Evans Medical Center was named after him at Fort Carson, Colorado



It was recently discovered that in addition to Evans Medical Center, Donald was also honored with the naming of an auditorium in Fort Sam Houston, where Donald trained to be a medic before he joined us in A/2/12. The building was originally dedicated as Evans Theatre in 1972. It was renovated in 1997 and is now used as auditorium, where graduation exercises for new Medics are held . Donald's brother, Richard attended both dedications, along with Donald's nieces, nephews and of course his Mom.



There is still one more Honor bestowed on Donald Evans. A hospital in Okinawa, Japan was also named after him. Ironically, Okinawa was the only stop that Donald and the rest of the original deployment made on their way to Vietnam in September, 1966. Our ship was refueled there and we were allowed to leave the ship and do PT on the dock.

Elsie Evans, Donald's mom dedicated her life to the disadvantaged veterans of her community working as a veteran's advocate. She passed on in May, 2001 . Donald's wife, Bonnie never remarried after the loss of Donald.


This photo of the presentation of the Congressional Medal Of Honor to Bonnie Evans, Donald's wife, and his Mom and Dad was acquired through the courtesy of Charles G. Langham.

Charles was a staff officer in the Army Surgeon General's Office and had their 1968 Annual Report where on page 87 this photo was included.




FReeper Foxhole Armed Services Links





TOPICS: VetsCoR
KEYWORDS: 4id; a212; combatmedic; doc; freeperfoxhole; moh; opcedarfalls; samsdayoff; sp4evans; usarmy; veterans; vietnam
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-167 next last
Letters Home



SP/4 Donald Evans
A Co. 2nd Bn 12th INF
APO 96268, San Francisco

Mr. and Mrs. Donald Evans
Covina, CALIF

28 OCT, 66

Hello Mom + Dad

How are the broken arms and colds coming along?

Things are still the same here. It rains at least once a day and is hot with lots of humidity. I'm in good shape. No alments or bullet holes. We are still treated about the same as when we in the states, just not to the same degree.

Being in shape can't be helped. I get in more patrol time than anyone else in the platoon. Along with that we've been putting in lots of other work like staking sand bags around our tents (9 high), filling in ditches the other outfit dug, and other types of maintenant. No rest for Johnson's under paid killers.

Contact with Charlie has only happened twice. A night ambush patrol from 2nd platoon got hit. There was suspose to have been lots of lead flying but no blood was found nor any bodies. Charlie doesn't leave bodies behind so its hard to say if any were hit. That same night Charlie Cong hit the berm. Again nothing cam of it.

Watch the T.V. for a parade in Saigon. Tell Bonnie also. "A" Company is going to be in it. The rest of the Battalion is going on a 3 day search and clear mission, but we get out of that. Its to bad Ha! The parade is Sunday or Monday. Should be in the paper or some news media.

Papy, haven't found any rock worth picking up, but when I do I'll send them to you.

So much for now.
Love Donnie


The above letter is on display along with a portrait of SP4 Donald W. Evans, Jr. at Evans U.S. Army Hospital, Fort Carson, Colorado. It is reproduced here as written.




25 Dec. 66

Hello Rich & Flou & Mel.,

I would start out with a Merry Christmas, but it isn't. I hope yours was and you all have a good year to come.

Got the book, "Candy" you sent. That was a little while ago. Started it and finished it soon after it arrived. That book is really reaching into the depths of dirt. Then you finish the last couple of pages and realize why it's the way it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was represented was a dream this lady was having. A dream expected of a young girl just being exposed to the many aspects of sex and at the same time she is becoming fully mature physically. Dare say it was a hot one. The pages of the book are still being turned by different individuals.

Same routine here in Nam as before. We patrol and go on short operations. Mostly the missions are to find Charlie's supply, and were he's been hiding. The last few times out we've received sniper fire and had no one from our battalion injured. We never catch the Charlie fighter.

Travel in and out of the sticks varies. Mostly by foot, sometimes by UH-119's (chopper) and very seldom by truck. Anyway the dirtiest way to go is by truck. I would give an awful lot to be back in Smog Ville puttin around.

How's Harv. and Becky's problems? Sure hope they solve it in such a way that both are somewhat satisfied. Do you think that there will be another member in the Evans chain soon? I've only heard from Harv once. Guess cause I never managed to get a letter off to him.

Say do you have the trouble with the Fords that you have with the V.W.? You know free mechanical work won't arrive for at least 9 more months and then you'll have to wait till Bonnie and I get out of hiding (Ha!). What did you expect? Your damn cars to come first? Not as long as I'm a healthy male, Evans type.

Folks, the mail service for out going package has been set up. You can start expecting little goodies, late Christmas presents and the like.

I hear Mel did a good job in the church play. Hi Mel.

So Much for now,

Donnie



8 Jan 67

Hello Brother and Sister-in-law and little actress,

How's every little battle on the home front? How are the little things growing?

Me, I'm fine, considering. Charlie still hasn't found out how to spell my name, so he can't put it on any of his bullets. That leaves the elements still after me though. You know? Nobody can tell me to go to hell. That's because I'm already there.

Well the air temperature has gone down, but it's getting a hell of a lot hotter here. We just got back from a five day operation. The thing was battalion size. The first day saw 11 Charlies zonked and 21 wounded, 27 captured. No one in this battalion was hurt. The next day things were a little different. One Charlie body and five wounded. A Company was responsible for the kill and some of the wounded. We had no casualties, but B Co. had 1 rag and one pole (rag= dead, pole= wounded). C Co. one rag, one pole. Charlie also lost one base camp and lots of chow. The following day there was no fighting. Charlie unassed the area right before the choppers got us there. This time we uncovered a field hospital and another base camp. Complete with supply and ammo. Later on that day a rice storage place was found, complete with 14 tons of rice. Charlie really is ticked off. Another day came and each company moved out in a different direction to meet in to same place. First to move was C Co., then B Co., and finally A Company. C Company was moving through the thick single file (bad tactics) and walked into an ambush. 4 rags, 7 poles in just three seconds. By the time they returned fire Charlie had made it with maybe a couple wounded. The whole operation saw 4 VC weapons captured and all else I mentioned. A VC weapon is worth 5 VCs. So much for that junk.

Got the camera. Thank you very much. It's just the thing. Don't worry about the Film, for I'll let you know. I think that 127 roll film is plentiful now. Already have shot up one roll. If you happen to get some horrid pictures please don't show them to just anybody. You know, the bloody type.

Like I said before, beer is the main beverage here. I drink a lot more than I did before. Don't get drunk though. You like to know how a medic spends X-mal cap. Well we get all the medics together plus grapefruit & same juice mix in 5 gal. water can and add 2 to 3 qts of 190 proof grain alcohol. (00000). Man you talk about getting drunk. There were 15 of us and 10 gal. consumed. Couldn't see worth a damn the next morning, but was not sick.

You all enjoy your TV and out door sports, for I don't, indoor sports are in season.

Your Brother,

Donnie





25 Jan 67 (last letter)

Hello there,

How's the battle going? I understand you also have snipers in your jungle (asphalt type). What about that?

Thanks for the girly mag and the toffee. It's nice to look at a lot of U.S.A. skin and eat sweet things at the same time. (Ha!)

I've taken two rolls of 'around the base camp' pictures. They are on their way to you. There are a couple of pictures of me after our 7 day Operation. Notice how combat ready the animal looks. He should, for one hour before the picture was taken he had three shot wizz over his head.

Please send some of the prints back so I can see what mistakes I made with the camera. Going to start taking it out in the field tomorrow. The pictures will become more interesting.

Won't say much about the last few weeks because it gets too involved and not real pretty. Part of the operation was in our paper. I sent the article to Bonnie. Ask her to let you see it. What the article mentions wasn't the beginning of the Operation, nor the end.

I'll tell you now, this place might even rattle my cage before the year is up. That's the way it goes.

How's is every one in the manor? Is Mel excited about the oncoming of a family addition? Being stuck here in the boonies made it impossible for me to make myself a papa before you and Harvey made me an uncle again. For that I guess I'll have to be the first Evans to be in the army, go to war, and come back still in one piece.

Too much. This place sucks.

Truly,

Donnie



Today's Educational Sources and suggestions for further reading:

http://evans.amedd.army.mil/newcomer/evans_letter.htm
www.212veterans.org/History%20of%20the%20212.htm
http://alphaassociation.homestead.com/
1 posted on 03/05/2004 4:19:55 AM PST by snippy_about_it
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: All

Third Platoon on the berm .This appears to be the men preparing the position just in front of the bunkers on the A/2/12 area of responsibility at dau Tieng. This must have been fairly early after arriving there, as they look like they are uncoiling the barbed wire that protected the area that we were assigned to defend.



Reinforced bunker position, a/2/12. This shows a completed bunker as it looked in January 1967. Note the three portholes which allowed the defenders a panoramic view, enabling them to cover not only to their immediate front but also to provide support for positions to their left and right should those positions come under attack.



Third Platoon tent area. This was Donald's tent that he shared with other men in the platoon he was assigned to.



Third Platoon returning to camp. This was Donald's mates from his platoon, returning from operation. To the right was Walter Sanford delivering some refreshments to the returning troops. The fact that he had his shirt off probably indicated that he had missed this operation (due to being on r&r?) and was assigned the detail. In the center is Jim Shulsky, reading the letter which was waiting for him. Note the ponchos being dried out in the background. In the distant background was the company latrine, it wasn't much, but it offered us some semblance of comfort while we were in camp. lower section of the latrine was where the receptacles (55 gallon drums, cut in half) for human waste, collected. Every few days some men were assigned to remove and burn the contents with gasoline.



Third Platoon receiving hot chow.



Additional bunker positions, a/2/12. This shows the A/2/12 area of defense forward of their bivouac area at Dau Tieng. There was a considerable area of clearing in front of the camp, which afforded little cover for enemy infiltrators. In the background you can see the Michelin rubber plantation where we had pitched our tents. Not all parts of Camp Rainier was imbedded in the tree line, so we were fortunate, as the shaded area provided some relief from the scorching sun.



Shower area , a/2/12. It wasn't much, but it was appreciated by the troops when they returned from patrolling. The water was stored in the aviation tanks and heated moderately by the sun. There were a number of valves which allowed the men to control the gravity fed water to drop into cans with holes punched through the bottom.



The Bridge leading into Dau Tieng. This bridge was to the west of dau Tieng and was of strategic importance to the area, not only militarily, but commercially. While our Company was in camp, squads of men from our units and others would take turns manning that bunker that protected the bridge from the enemy.


This completes the Donald evans collection of photos that he wanted to share with his folks back home. Donald never had the opportunity to explain the images he caught on film to his family. These are the details that Don wanted you to know about, showing the exotic locale where he served so gallantly. Today many of the men you see in the photos survived their tour in Vietnam because of Donald's heroic deeds while administering to them that day in January 1967. They never forgot him, nor will any of the men of A/2/12.

After he was lost in the action of January 27th, 1967, the rolls of film (mentioned in his letters) were found on his bunk, as his personal belongings were gathered to be returned to his folks back home. When the Evans family received the rolls they made two copies and kept them in safekeeping. When we found Richard, Don's older brother, many years later, he graciously forwarded to Alpha Association some of the cherished original photos for our 'Doc Evans Tribute Archive'. We will be forever in debt to him for his generosity.



The Wall of Honor at Fort Hood with plaques for all the all the men who earned the CMH while in service in the 4th Infantry Division


2 posted on 03/05/2004 4:21:31 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Don W; Poundstone; Wumpus Hunter; StayAt HomeMother; Ragtime Cowgirl; bulldogs; baltodog; ...



FALL IN to the FReeper Foxhole!



It's Friday! Good Morning Everyone

If you would like added to our ping list let us know.

3 posted on 03/05/2004 4:23:52 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All


Veterans for Constitution Restoration is a non-profit, non-partisan educational and grassroots activist organization.





Tribute to a Generation - The memorial will be dedicated on Saturday, May 29, 2004.


Thanks to CholeraJoe for providing this link.



Actively seeking volunteers to provide this valuable service to Veterans and their families.

Thanks to quietolong for providing this link.



Iraq Homecoming Tips

~ Thanks to our Veterans still serving, at home and abroad. ~ Freepmail to Ragtime Cowgirl | 2/09/04 | FRiend in the USAF





The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul

Click on Hagar for
"The FReeper Foxhole Compiled List of Daily Threads"

4 posted on 03/05/2004 4:24:28 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.

Hughes XV-9A (1964)

5 posted on 03/05/2004 4:25:28 AM PST by Aeronaut (Peace: in international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done. —Matthew 26:42


So lift up your heart to the heavens;
There's a loving and kind Father there
Who offers release and comfort and peace
In the silent communion of prayer

Instead of trying to twist God's arm, put yourself in His hands.

6 posted on 03/05/2004 4:32:10 AM PST by The Mayor (There is no such thing as insignificant service for Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Wow, Incredible story..
7 posted on 03/05/2004 4:37:28 AM PST by The Mayor (There is no such thing as insignificant service for Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper foxhole.

We received about three-quarters of an inch of rain. Torndao warnings for the Lawton and Wichita Falls areas. Some wind damage. Power is stil out in some places. Thankfully no major injuries.

8 posted on 03/05/2004 4:49:05 AM PST by E.G.C.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Aeronaut
Good morning Aeronaut. Now that's interesting. LOL. I'll have to look that one up this evening.
9 posted on 03/05/2004 4:54:36 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: The Mayor
Good morning Mayor. There isn't an MOH story that doesn't bring a tear or a flood of tears. Such wonderful men America raises up!
10 posted on 03/05/2004 4:55:41 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: E.G.C.
Good morning EGC. Rain and wind here today, chance of a T-storm.
11 posted on 03/05/2004 4:56:13 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All

Good morning everyone in The FOXHOLE!

12 posted on 03/05/2004 5:06:40 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~ I do Poetry and party among the stars~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Howdy ma'am. My monitor is blurry this morning.
13 posted on 03/05/2004 5:50:50 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: E.G.C.; snippy_about_it
I got to see a Double Rainbow just before sunset yesterday. COOL!
14 posted on 03/05/2004 5:54:20 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: bentfeather
OOOooo, I like Eagles! Thanks
15 posted on 03/05/2004 5:56:08 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
Good morning PE.
16 posted on 03/05/2004 6:08:30 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~ I do Poetry and party among the stars~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
The entire population of the village was evacuated, the tunnels filled with acetylene, and detonated, collapsing the network.

Pretty ingeneous. Wonder why they didn't use this technique in Tora Bora?

17 posted on 03/05/2004 6:17:44 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Bush/Cheney 2004. Go ugly early, boys. You know the 'rats will.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.



SP4 Donald W. Evans, Jr.

A heartbreaker this morning. Those letters tore me up, letters like that were written by every soldier there.

I remember reading "Candy" too, it came in a shipment of books marked "To any soldier" and it sure made the rounds of the Company.

"No rest for Johnson's under paid killers."

Unlike Kerry Sp/4 knew whose war it was.

18 posted on 03/05/2004 6:42:01 AM PST by SAMWolf (Some say I'm a grumpy, mean man. A lie. I have the heart of a kind & gentle soul-in a jar on my desk)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: bentfeather
G'morning miss Feather.
19 posted on 03/05/2004 6:47:04 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Aeronaut
Morning Aeronaut

1964 Hughes flight-tested the XV-9A Hot Cycle research aircraft. To power the helicopter, engine exhaust gases of 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit were forced through the rotor. The experimentalprogram yielded vital information about helicopters that fly without tail rotors -- a development that Hughes pursued further in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

TODAY The result: the NOTAR® anti-torque system, which is in production on the MD 520N, the MD 600N, and the MD Explorer. Helicopters equipped with the NOTAR system have no tail rotors, which makes them the safest and quietest helicopters flying today. They are particularly well suited to serve as air ambulances, in law enforcement, and as scenic-tour vehicles in environmentally sensitive areas.

20 posted on 03/05/2004 6:47:41 AM PST by SAMWolf (Some say I'm a grumpy, mean man. A lie. I have the heart of a kind & gentle soul-in a jar on my desk)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: The Mayor
Good Mornign Mayor.
21 posted on 03/05/2004 6:48:10 AM PST by SAMWolf (Some say I'm a grumpy, mean man. A lie. I have the heart of a kind & gentle soul-in a jar on my desk)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
Good morning Sam.

To power the helicopter, engine exhaust gases of 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit were forced through the rotor.

I bet they didn't have any icing problems.

22 posted on 03/05/2004 6:49:17 AM PST by Aeronaut (Peace: in international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: E.G.C.
Morning E.G.C.

Glad you survived the storms. I was reading the news about some tornadoes and high winds.
23 posted on 03/05/2004 6:49:54 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: bentfeather
Good Morning Feather.
24 posted on 03/05/2004 6:50:22 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
Morning PE. I had a hard time reading those letters.
25 posted on 03/05/2004 6:51:31 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: CholeraJoe
Morning Cholera Joe.

Wonder why they didn't use this technique in Tora Bora?

We have better stuff now :-)

26 posted on 03/05/2004 6:52:49 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
Mornign ?

mornin Sam

27 posted on 03/05/2004 6:52:57 AM PST by The Mayor (There is no such thing as insignificant service for Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Aeronaut
I bet they didn't have any icing problems

LOL! I sure wouldn't want to be touching any rotor surfaces shortly after landing.

28 posted on 03/05/2004 6:54:33 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: The Mayor
Mornign ?

Morning. (One of my trade-marked typos)

29 posted on 03/05/2004 6:56:13 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
I thought you aquired an accent..

LOL!!
30 posted on 03/05/2004 7:00:04 AM PST by The Mayor (There is no such thing as insignificant service for Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
On this Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on March 05:
1324 David II Bruce king of Scotland (1331..71)
1326 Louis I [the Great] King of Hungary (1342-82), Poland (1370-82)
1512 Gerardus Mercator Rupelmonde (Belgium), geographer/mapmaker
1574 William Oughtred England, mathematician/inventor (slide rule)
1637 John van der Heyden Dutch painter/inventor (fire extinguisher)
1658 Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac French colonial governor of America
1746 Jacob Wallenberg Swedish writer/naval chaplain
1824 Elisha Harris US, physician/found American Public Health Association
1824 James Merritt Ives lithographer (Currier & Ives)
1825 John Dunovant Brigadier General (Confederate Army), died in 1864
1825 Joseph Albert German photographer (albertotype)
1893 Emmett J Culligan founder of water treatment organization
1908 Rex [Reginald Carey] Harrison Huyton Lancashire England, actor (My Fair Lady, Dr Doolittle)
1908 Sophie Stewart Scotland, actress (As You Like It, Under the Red Robe)
1914 Joan Sterndale-Bennett London England, actress (Those Fantastic Flying Fools)
1920 Virginia Christine actress (Mrs Olson)
1934 James B Sikking Los Angeles CA, actor (Hill St Blues, Star Trek 3, Doogie Howser)
1935 Philip K Chapman Melbourne Australia, astronaut (Apollo 14 support)
1936 Dean Stockwell Hollywood CA, actor (Quantum Leap, Blue Velvet)
1938 Fred "Hammer" Williamson Gary IN, NFLer (Chiefs)/actor (Julia)
1946 Michael Warren South Bend IN, actor (Bobby Hill-Hill Street Blues)
1946 Rocky Bleier Wisconsin, NFL running back (Pittsburgh Steelers)
1952 Alan Clark keyboardist (Dire Straits-Sultans of Swing)
1953 Russel D Feingold (Senator-D-WI)
1953 Valery Grigoriyevich Korzun Russian Colonel/cosmonaut (TM-24)
1954 Marsha Warfield comedian/actress (Roz-Night Court)
1955 Penn Jillette Greenfield MA, magician (Penn & Teller-Penn & Teller are Dead)
1974 Kevin Connolly actor (Beverly Hillbillies, Rocky V, Angus)
1977 Natalie Bevins Miss West Virginia-USA (1997)


Deaths which occurred on March 05:
0254 St Lucius I Pope (253-54), dies
1291 Sa'ad al'Da'ulah Jewish grand vizier of Persia, assassinated
1605 Clement VIII [Ippolito Aldofireini], Pope (1592-1605), dies at 69
1625 James I (VI) king of England (1603-25)/poet/author, dies at 58
1770 Crispus Attuks slave, is 1st of 5 killed during Boston Massacre
1827 Alessandro Volta Italian physicist (made 1st battery), dies at 82
1932 Takuma Dan Japanese baron/financier/industrial, murdered

1953 Josef V Stalin soviet leader responsible for 11 million murders, dies at 73

1953 Sergey Sergeyevich Prokofiev composer, dies at 61
1963 Cyril Smith actor (Adventures of Sir Lancelot), dies at 70
1963 Hawkshaw Hawkins country singer (Ozark Jubilee), dies at 41
1963 Patsy Cline country singer (Crazy, I Fall To Pieces), dies in a plane crash at 30
1967 Mohammed H Mossadeq premier of Persia (1951-53), dies
1974 Solomon I "Sol" Hurok US impresario, dies at 85
1980 Jay Silverheels actor (Tonto-Lone Ranger), dies at 60
1982 John Belushi comedian (Sat Night Live), dies of drug overdose at 33
1990 Gary Merrill actor (Time Tunnel, Huckleberry Finn), dies at 75
1994 Abdullah Al-Sallal President of Yemen (1962-67), dies
1994 Joe Daley jazz tenor/clarinet/flute player, dies at 75
1995 Ed Flanders actor (Dr Westphal-St Elsewhere), dies


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1966 HESSOM ROBERT C.---ALAMEDA CA.
[REMAINS IDENTIFIED 17 OCT 94]
1970 ROSENBACH ROBERT P.---KIRKWOOD MO.
[REMAINS RECOVERED]
1971 HATLEY JOEL C.---ALBEMARLE NC.
[EXPLODE,NO SEARCH, NO REMAINS-EMPTY COFFIN BURIED, REMAINS RETURNED 1/90 I.D. 9/17/90 BURIED 9/21]
1971 KING MICHAEL E.---CALHOUN GA.
[EXPLODE, NO SEARCH ID'D ON ONE TOOTH, MINUTE BONES, REMAINS RETURNED 1/90 ID 9/17/90]
1971 MOREIRA RALPH A. JR.---BEAVER FALLS PA.
[EXPLODE, NO SEARCH ID'D ON ONE TOOTH MINUTE BONES. REMAINS RETURNED 1/90 ID 9/17/90]
1971 NELSON DAVID L.---KIRKLAND WA.
[EXPLODE,NO SEARCH NO REMAINS EMPTY COFFIN BURIED, REMAINS RETURNED 1/90 ID 9/17/90 BURIED 9/21/90 DISPUTED]

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
0254 St Lucius I ends his reign as Catholic Pope
1179 3rd Lateran Council (11th ecumenical council) opens in Rome
1461 Henry VI was deposed by Duke of York during War of the Roses
1496 English King Henry VII hires John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto) to explore
1558 Smoking tobacco introduced in Europe by Francisco Fernandes
1616 Copernicus' "de Revolutionibus" placed on Catholic Forbidden index
1623 1st American temperance law enacted, Virginia
1743 1st US religious journal, The Christian History, published, Boston

1770 Boston Massacre, British troops kill 5 in crowd; Crispus Attackus becomes 1st black to die for American freedom

1783 King Stanislaus Augustus Poniatowski grants rights to Jews of Kovno
1807 1st performance of Ludwig von Beethoven's 4th Symphony in B
1820 Dutch city of Leeuwarden forbids Jews to go to synagogues on Sundays
1821 Monroe is 1st President inaugurated on March 5th, because 4th was Sun
1836 Mexico attacks Alamo
1836 Samuel Colt manufactures 1st pistol, 34-caliber "Texas" model
1845 Congress appropriates $30,000 to ship camels to western US
1849 Zachary Taylor sworn in as 12th President
1856 Georgia becomes 1st state to regulate railroads
1862 Union troops under Brigadier-General Wright occupy Fernandina FL
1868 Stapler patented in England by C H Gould
1868 US Senate organizes to decide charges against President Andrew Johnson
1872 George Westinghouse Jr patents triple air brake for trains
1877 Rutherford B Hayes inaugurated as 19th US President
1907 1st radio broadcast of a musical composition aired
1908 1st ascent of Mount Erebus, Antarctica
1917 1st jazz recording for Victor Records released
1922 "Nosferatu" premieres in Berlin
1923 Montana & Nevada become 1st states to enact old age pension laws
1924 Computing-Tabulating-Recording Corp becomes IBM
1924 Frank Carauna, becomes 1st to bowl 2 successive perfect 300 games
1927 1,000 US marines land in China to protect American property
1931 Gandhi & British viceroy Lord Irwin sign pact
1933 FDR proclaims 10-day bank holiday
1933 Germany's Nazi Party wins majority in parliament (43.9%-17.2M votes)
1934 Mother-in-law's day 1st celebrated (Amarillo TX)
1936 Spitfire makes its 1st flight (Eastleigh Aerodrome in Southampton)
1943 RAF bombs Essen Germany
1945 US 7th Army Corps captures Cologne

1946 Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech (Fulton MO)

1948 US rocket flies record 4800 KPH to 126k height
1953 Josef Stalin's death announced
1956 "King Kong" 1st televised
1959 Iran & US sign economic & military treaty
1960 Elvis Presley ends 2-year hitch in US Army
1965 Ernie Terrel beats Eddie Machen in 15 for heavyweight boxing title
1966 Player representatives elect Marvin Miller, as executive director of Players' Association
1970 3 SDS Weathermen terrorist group bomb 18 West 11th St in New York NY
1979 Voyager I's closest approach to Jupiter (172,000 miles)
1980 Earth satellites record gamma rays from remnants of supernova N-49
1982 Gaylord Perry (with 297 wins) signs with Seattle Mariners
1982 Russian spacecraft Venera 14 lands on Venus sends back data
1984 Supreme Court (5-4); city may use public money for Nativity scene
1984 US accuse Iraq of using poison gas
1991 Iraq repealed its annexation of Kuwait
1992 Ethic committee votes to reveal congressmen who bounced checks
1994 Largest milkshake (1,955 gallons of chocolate-Nelspruit South Africa)(PARTY!!!)
1994 Singer Grace Slick arrested for pointing a gun at a cop
1995 Graves of czar Nicholas & family found in St Petersburg
1996 Earl Weaver & Jim Bunning, elected to Hall of Fame
1997 Tommy Lasorda, Nellie Fox & Willie Wells for Hall of Fame
2000 Israel's Cabinet voted unanimously to withdraw its troops from south Lebanon by the following July.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Labour Day (Western Australia).
Boston MA : Boston Massacre Day (1770)
Multiple Personalities Day
US : National Procrastinators Week (Begins tomorrow)
National Noodle Month


Religious Observances
Anglican, Roman Catholic : Ember Day


Religious History
1179 The Third Lateran Council opened under Alexander III. It was attended by 300 bishops who enacted measures against the Waldenses and Albigensians. Lateran III also mandated that popes were to be elected by two-thirds vote from the assembled cardinals.
1555 French-born Swiss reformer John Calvin wrote in a letter to Philip Melanchthon: 'It behooves us to accomplish what God requires of us, even when we are in the greatest despair respecting the results.'
1743 In Boston, editor Thomas Prince published the first issue of his weekly, "The Christian History." It was the first religious journal published in America.
1850 Birth of Daniel B. Towner, American music evangelist. An associate of D.L. Moody, Towner composed over 2,000 hymn tunes, including AT CALVARY ("Years I Spent in Vanity and Pride"), MOODY ("Marvelous Grace of our Loving Lord") and TRUST AND OBEY ("When We Walk With the Lord").
1951 The religious program "Circuit Rider" debuted over ABC television. The broadcast featured music selections and biographies of evangelists, and was produced by Franklin W. Dyson.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"A highbrow is a man who thinks he has found something more interesting than women."


You know you're getting old when...
when you are cautioned to slow down by the doctor instead of by the police.


New State Slogans...
Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes ... And 10,000,000,000,000 Mosquitoes


Amazing Fact #23,760...
The Sanskrit word for "war" means "desire for more cows."
31 posted on 03/05/2004 7:04:32 AM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Wow. Great thread today.

SP4 Evans was a true hero.

Was this thread idea, because someone here knew Doc Evans?

32 posted on 03/05/2004 7:06:05 AM PST by Johnny Gage (What was the best thing before "sliced" bread?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
Morning PE. I had a hard time reading those letters.

Hiya Sam. I bet you did.

This says volumes,

Too much. This place sucks.

33 posted on 03/05/2004 7:07:01 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: E.G.C.
We received about three-quarters of an inch of rain. Torndao warnings for the Lawton and Wichita Falls areas.

We got about 6" of heavy wet snow overnight.. could see another inch or so this a.m.

A number of power lines down in my suburb alone.

34 posted on 03/05/2004 7:09:06 AM PST by Johnny Gage (What was the best thing before "sliced" bread?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Valin; SAMWolf; Johnny Gage
1936 Spitfire makes its 1st flight (Eastleigh Aerodrome in Southampton)

Spitfire flyover video You might wanna not blast the audio at the end until you've seen it all the way through.

35 posted on 03/05/2004 7:20:48 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
Good Morning FRiends.

FOrgot to bookmark the thread that contain the list where hanoi john's voted against the weapons systems, it's in a frame floormat. Do you remember where it is or can locate it.

I think we need to do a side by side of Dubya v hanoi john's records.

36 posted on 03/05/2004 7:27:07 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: The Mayor
Just my Chi-caw-go accent. :-)
37 posted on 03/05/2004 7:39:45 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
That was Great!
38 posted on 03/05/2004 7:43:43 AM PST by The Mayor (There is no such thing as insignificant service for Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Valin
1770 Boston Massacre, British troops kill 5 in crowd; Crispus Attackus becomes 1st black to die for American freedom

The Boston Massacre (the killing of five men by British soldiers on March 5, 1770) was the culmination of civilian-military tensions that had been growing since royal troops first appeared in Massachusetts in October 1768. The soldiers were in Boston to keep order, but townspeople viewed them as potential oppressors, competitors for jobs, and threats to social mores. Brawls became common.

39 posted on 03/05/2004 7:45:22 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
This place sucks.

That was the general opinion i heard expressed a lot.

40 posted on 03/05/2004 7:46:29 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: The Mayor
Heh heh glad you liked it.
41 posted on 03/05/2004 7:47:57 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: GailA

 

 

SENATOR KERRY FOUGHT TO SLASH INTELLIGENCE FUNDING BY AT LEAST $2.5 BILLION

1995: Proposed Bill Cutting $1.5 Billion From Intelligence Budget. Kerry
introduced a bill that would “reduce the Intelligence budget by $300 million in
each of fiscal years 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000.” There were no
cosponsors of Kerry’s bill, which never made it to the floor for a vote.
(S.1290, Introduced 9/29/95)

1995: Voted To Slash FBI Funding By $80 Million.

(H.R. 2076, CQ Vote #480:
Adopted 49-41: R 9-40; D 40-1, 9/29/95, Kerry Voted Yea)

1994: Proposed Bill To Gut $1 Billion From Intelligence And Freeze Spending For
Two Major Intelligence Programs.
Kerry proposed a bill cutting $1 billion from
the budgets of the National Foreign Intelligence Program and from Tactical
Intelligence, and freezing their budgets.

The bill did not make it to a vote,but the language was later submitted (and defeated – see below) as S. Amdt. 1452 to H.R. 3759.
(S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/94)

1997: Kerry Questioned Growth Of Intelligence Community After Cold War. “Now
that that [Cold War] struggle is over, why is it that our vast intelligence
apparatus continues to grow even as Government resources for new and essential
priorities fall far short of what is necessary?

…” (Senator John Kerry Agreeing
That Critic's Concerns Be Addressed, Congressional Record, 5/1/97, p. S3891)

When His Bill Stalled In Committee, Kerry Proposed $1 Billion Cut As
Amendment Instead.
Kerry proposed cutting $1 billion from the National Foreign
Intelligence Program and Tactical Intelligence budgets, and freezing their
budgets.
The amendment was defeated, with even Graham, Lieberman and Braun
voting against Kerry.
(Amdt.. To H.R. 3759, CQ Vote #39:
Rejected 20-75: R 3-37; D 17-38, 2/10/94, Kerry Voted Yea;
Graham, Lieberman And Braun Voted Nay)
 

After all the above, he has the nerve to say this, after 9/11

12 Days After 9/11: Kerry Questioned Quality Of Intelligence.
“And the tragedy
is, at the moment, that the single most important weapon for the United States
of America is intelligence. … And we are weakest, frankly, in that particular
area. So it’s going to take us time to be able to build up here to do this
properly.”
(CBS’s “Face The Nation,” 9/23/01)

SEN. KERRY’S DEFENSE STRATEGY: CUT CRITICAL WEAPONS SYSTEMS

In 1996, Introduced Bill To Slash Defense Department Funding By $6.5 Billion.
Kerry’s bill had no co-sponsors and never came to a floor vote.
S. 1580, Introduced 2/29/96;

In 1995, Voted To Freeze Defense Spending For 7 Years, Slashing Over $34 Billion
From Defense. Only 27 other Senators voted with Kerry.

Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution – Defense Freeze. “Harkin, D-Iowa,
amendment to freeze defense spending for the next seven years and transfer the
$34.8 billion in savings to education and job training.”

S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #181:
Rejected 28-71: R 2-51; D 26-20, 5/24/95, Kerry Voted Yea

In 1993, Introduced Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs, Including:

 Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
 Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
 Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
 Terminate the Navy’s coastal mine-hunting ship program
 Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year.
S.1163, Introduced 6/24/93

Has Voted Repeatedly To Cut Defense Spending, Including:

 In 1993, Voted Against Increased Defense Spending For Military Pay
Raise. Kerry voted to kill an increase in military pay over five years.

S. Con.Res. 18, CQ Vote #73:
Motion Agreed To 55-42: R 2-39; D 53-3, 3/24/93, Kerry Voted Yea

 In 1992, Voted To Cut $6 Billion From Defense. Republicans and Democrats
successfully blocked the attempt to cut defense spending.

S.Con. Res. 106, CQ Vote #73:
Motion Agreed To 53-40: R 38-1; D 15-39, 4/9/92, Kerry Voted Nay

 In 1991, Voted To Slash Over $3 Billion From Defense, Shift Money To
Social Programs. Only 27 Senators joined Kerry in voting for the defense cut.

H.R. 2707, CQ Vote #182:
Motion Rejected 28-69: R 3-39; D 25-30, 9/10/91, Kerry Voted Yea

 In 1991, Voted To Cut Defense Spending By 2%. Only 21 other Senators voted with Kerry, and the defense cut was defeated.

S. Con. Res. 29, CQ Vote #49:
Motion Rejected 22-73: R 1-39; D 21-34, 4/25/91, Kerry Voted Yea

Has Voted Repeatedly To Cut Or Eliminate Funding For B-2 Stealth Bomber.

H.R. 3072, CQ Vote #203:
Rejected 29-71: R 2-43; D 27-28, 9/26/89, Kerry Voted Yea;

H.R. 3072, CQ Vote #310:
Rejected 29-68: R 3-41; D 26-27, 11/18/89, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 2884, CQ Vote #208:
Rejected 43-56: R 8-36; D 35-20, 8/2/90, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 2884, CQ Vote #209:
Rejected 45-53: R 9-34; D 36-19, 8/2/90, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #174:
Rejected 42-57: R 7-36; D 35-21, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Yea;

H.R. 2521, CQ Vote #206:
Motion Agreed To 51-48: R 36-7; D 15-41, 9/25/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 2403, CQ Vote #85:
Adopted 61-38: R 7-36; D 54-2, 5/6/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 3114, CQ Vote #216:
Rejected 45-53: R 8-35; D 37-18, 9/18/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 2182, CQ Vote #179:
Rejected 45-55: R 8-36; D 37-19, 7/1/94, Kerry Voted Yea

Has Voted Repeatedly Against Missile Defense.

S. 1507, CQ Vote #171:
Motion Agreed To 60-38: R 40-3; D 20-35, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #173:
Rejected 46-52: R 5-38; D 41-14, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Yea;

H.R. 2521, CQ Vote #207:
Motion Agreed To 50-49: R 38-5; D 12-44, 9/25/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S.2403, CQ Vote #85:
Adopted 61-38: R 7-36; D 54-2, 5/6/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S.3114, CQ Vote #182:
Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, 8/7/92, Kerry Voted Nay;

S.3114, CQ Vote #214:
Rejected 48-50: R 5-38; D 43-12, 9/17/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 3114, CQ Vote #215:
Adopted 52-46: R 39-4; D 13-42, 9/17/92, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1298, CQ Vote #251:
Adopted 50-48: R 6-36; D 44-12, 10/9/93, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. Con. Res. 63, CQ Vote #64:
Rejected 40-59: R 2-42; D 38-17, 3/22/94, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1026, CQ Vote #354:
Motion Agreed To 51-48: R 47-6; D 4-42, 8/3/95, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1087, CQ Vote #384:
Rejected 45-54: R 5-49; D 40-5, 8/10/95, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1745, CQ Vote #160:
Rejected 44-53: R 4-49; D 40-4, 6/19/96, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #168:
Rejected 39-60: R 4-39; D 35-21, 7/31/91, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #172:
Motion Agreed To 64-34: R 39-4; D 25-30, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1873, CQ Vote #131:
Rejected 59-41: R 55-0; D 4-41; I 0-0, 5/13/98, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1873, CQ Vote #262:
Rejected 59-41: R 55-0; D 4-41, 9/9/98, Kerry Voted Nay;

S 1635, CQ Vote #157:
Rejected 53-46: R 52-0; D 1-46, 6/4/96, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 2549, CQ Vote #178:
Motion Agreed To 52-48: R 52-3; D 0-45, 7/13/00, Kerry Voted Nay

KERRY OPPOSED WEAPONS CRITICAL TO RECENT MILITARY SUCCESSES

Running For Senate In 1984, Kerry Promised Massive Defense Cuts. “Kerry in 1984
said he would have voted to cancel … the B-1 bomber, B-2 stealth bomber, AH-64
Apache helicopter, Patriot missile, the F-15, F-14A and F-14D jets, the AV-8B
Harrier jet, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, and the Trident missile system. He
also advocated reductions in many other systems, such as the M1 Abrams tank, the
Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the Tomahawk cruise missile, and the F-16 jet.”
(Brian C. Mooney, “Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One,” The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)

Weapons Kerry Sought To Phase Out Were Vital In Iraq. “[K]erry supported
cancellation of a host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US
military might -- the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to the
world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of weeks.”
(Brian C. Mooney, “Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One,” The Boston Globe,
6/19/03)

 F-16 Fighting Falcons. “The Air Force would also play an important role
in strikes against high-ranking officials of the Ba’ath regime. On April 4, two
Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons dropped laser-guided munitions on the house of
Ali Hassan al-Majid, a.k.a. ‘Chemical Ali,’ in Basra.”
(Abraham Genauer,“Technology And Volume Of Sorties Overwhelmed The Iraqis’ Defenses,” The Hill, 5/21/03)

 B-1Bs B-2As F-15 And F-16s. “On the night of March 21 alone, the first
of ‘shock and awe,’ coalition air forces flew nearly 2,000 missions. … Involved
were Air Force B-1B Lancers, B-2A Spirits, … F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16
Fighting Falcons…”
(Abraham Genauer, “Technology And Volume Of Sorties Overwhelmed The Iraqis’ Defenses,” The Hill, 5/21/03)

 M1 Abrams. “‘[M1 Abrams] tanks were the sledgehammer in this war,’ added
Pat Garrett, an associate analyst with GlobalSecurity.org. ‘The tank was the
tool that allowed [the ground forces] to progress as fast as they did.’”
(Patrick O’Connor, “Revolutionary Tank Tactics Alter Iraqi Conflict, Future Of Urban Warfare,” The Hill, 5/21/03)

 Patriot Missile. “U.S. Central Command says the Patriots … have improved
to the point where they intercepted nine of the Iraqis’ short-range al-Samoud 2
and Ababil-100 missiles in this conflict.”
(Andrea Stone, “Patriot Missile: Friend Or Foe To Allied Troops?” USA Today, 4/15/03)

 AH-64 Apache Helicopter. “Recently, Apaches in Afghanistan achieved
success directly supporting ground troops. … Whether in shaping the battle in a
combined arms Warfighter-type fight where intelligence of the enemy is known, or
by conducting close combat attacks in direct support of a ground commander, the
Longbow Apache provides significantly increased flexibility and firepower for
U.S. Army forces …”
(Maj. David J. Rude and Lt. Col. Daniel E. Williams, “The ‘Warfighter Mindset’ and the War in Iraq,” Army Magazine, 7/03)

 Tomahawk Cruise Missile. “The first operational use [of Tomahawk cruise
missiles] was in Operation Desert Storm, 1991, with immense success. The missile
has since been used successfully in several other conflicts … include[ing]
Bosnia … in 1995 and in Iraq again … in 1996 … [and in] strikes against training
camps run by Osama Bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network in Afghanistan in 1998. Cruise
missiles were also fired during the air campaign over Kosovo in 1999.”
(Vivek Rai, “Cruise Missiles, By Air And Sea,” MSNBC.com, Accessed 7/17/03)

 Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser. “During Operation Iraqi Freedom, [the Aegis
cruiser] Bunker Hill … was one of the first warships to conduct Tomahawk strikes
against leadership targets in Iraq. The ship launched a total of 31 missiles
during the war. Its embarked … helicopter detachment … supported the rescue of
United Nations workers being forcibly removed from oil platforms in the Northern
Arabian Gulf and provided medical evacuations from the Iraqi city of Umm Qasr.”
(S.A. Thornbloom, “USS Bunker Hill Makes Revolutionary Return,” NavyDispatch.com, Accessed 7/17/03)

During 1980s, Kerry And Michael Dukakis Joined Forces With Liberal Group
Dedicated To Slashing Defense. Kerry sat on the board of “Jobs With Peace
Campaign,” which sought to “develop public support for cutting the defense budget…”
(“Pentagon Demonstrators Call For Home-Building, Not Bombs,” The Associated Press, 6/3/88)

Running For Congress In 1972, Kerry Promised To Cut Defense Spending. “On what
he’ll do if he’s elected to Congress, Kerry said he would ‘bring a different
kind of message to the president.’ He said he would vote against military
appropriations.”
(“Candidate’s For Congress Capture Campus In Andover,” Lawrence [MA] Eagle-Tribune, 4/21/72)
 


42 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:06 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
I can only imagine.
43 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:31 AM PST by Professional Engineer (I used to wear an IT hat. I got tired of the tinfoil attracting lightning strikes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: snippy_about_it
"Hey Doc!" -words always said when the medic walks by.
44 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:51 AM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: No, I don't think it's terrible to tell mimes to be quiet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer

Great plane.

45 posted on 03/05/2004 7:49:58 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer
LOL! Bet he needed a clean pair of shorts after that.
46 posted on 03/05/2004 7:52:00 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Darksheare
Morning Darksheare.
47 posted on 03/05/2004 7:53:00 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Johnny Gage
Look at the bright side, you won't be seeing any of those 10,000,000,000 mosquitoes today. :-)
48 posted on 03/05/2004 7:54:14 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: SAMWolf
Morning.
In his younger pics, Specialist Evans looked like a guy I knew by the name of Jenson.
Jenson was one of two people who trained me up on some of my tasks in Artillery.
49 posted on 03/05/2004 7:54:33 AM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: No, I don't think it's terrible to tell mimes to be quiet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Darksheare
Sp/4 Evans has that "Any American" look. He reminds me some of a Sp/4 Filitsky who was in my squad when I was in Germany.
50 posted on 03/05/2004 7:58:34 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-167 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
VetsCoR
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson