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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen VIB - King Tiger - Mar. 16th, 2004
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Posted on 03/16/2004 12:00:43 AM PST by SAMWolf



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Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.


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PanzerKampfwagen VIB
King Tiger




The Tiger II was also known as "Tiger Ausf. B" or "Königstiger" (King Tiger) and was the last major tank design to see service during the war. The original Tiger design was finalised before the Russian T-34 was encountered so it lacked the excellent ballistic shape which was a feature of the Panther. The Tiger II went into production late in 1943 and was first engaged in action on the Russian front in August 1944 and was later encountered by the Allies in France in August of that year. It was born of a demand from the Waffenamt (Army Weapons Office) in August 1942 for a redesigned Tiger tank incorporating thicker armor, sloped plates to deflect shots as on the Panther and T-34, and armed with the 88mm L/71 gun, which should be capable of dealing with any new tank development that the Russians could possibly produce.


Tiger II with Porsche turret


Both Porsche and Henschel were asked to submit designs to these specifications. The Porsche design (VK 4502P) had alternative layouts with the turret either well forward or at the back of the hull. It was to mount the longer L/71 KwK 43 gun as in the Elefant tank destroyer. At first the Porsche model was considered for production and the construction of turrets by Wegmann of Kassel for this vehicle began, but due to the shortage of copper required for the parts in the electrical transmission this tank project was cancelled. The Waffenamt also rejected the electric drive as unreliable and too sophisticated for service conditions.


Adding camouflage colours


The second design from Henschel (VK 4503H) was powered conventionally like their Tiger I and was accepted. The project was put in hand as a top priority effort and the first prototype was delivered in November 1943. By that time the Panther II had been designed, and under the new rationalisation policy it was decided that as many parts of the Panther II as possible had to be incorporated to standardise design features between the two vehicles. Production of the Tiger Ausf. "B" began in December 1943 on the Henschel production line, parallel to that which was building the Tiger Ausf. E. The first production models began to reach the Army late in February 1944.


Tiger II of the "Feldherrnhalle" Panzergrenadier Division (1945)


Henschel remained the sole builders of the Tiger II during its whole production life. By September 1944 Tiger Ausf. E production ceased completely in favour of the new vehicle. Production was scheduled to reach a rate of approximately 145 per month, but disruption by enemy bombing and shortage of materials reduced the best ever monthly output to 84 in August 1944. By the end of the war 487 Tiger IIs had been produced. The first 50 Tiger IIs to be completed were fitted with the spare turrets originally intended for the Porsche Tiger. This turret had a curved front mantlet and a bulged commander's cupola on the left side. The remaining vehicles had a Henschel-designed turret, having thicker armour and eliminating the re-entrant angle under the mantlet.


The protective effect of the sloped lines


The Tiger II was derived from the Tiger Ausf. E and both tanks had many features in common. At the same time it bore a much closer resemblance to the late model Panther. Common fittings included cupolas, engines, engine covers and road wheels. Compared with the other vehicles the Tiger II had thicker armor and was dimensionally larger. It incorporated various features which experience had shown were desirable; notably the front glacis plate, which was now sloped as on the Panther and T-34 tanks instead of squarely vertical as on the original Tiger. The armor protection, particularly that carried on the front of the vehicle, was the thickest to be employed on a tank that was due for large scale production. The front plate was 150mm set at a 40o angle, the turret face 180mm thick, and the side and tail plates, including the turret wall, were 80mm thick. Frontal attack of this tank, by any weapon available to the Allies, was out of question.


After completing the camouflage, the crew fit the armored mudguards.


The extremely wide tracks gave the Tiger II good cross-country performance despite its excessive weight. The Tiger II incorporated all the good points of the Panther tank and armed with a new main armament, the 88mm KwK 43 L/71 which was almost 21ft long. This gun represented the largest calibre length to be employed operationally by the Germans in a tank mounting during the war. There was a small, conical Saukopf (pig's head) mantlet, and a well-sloped turret and sloped morticed armor plates making up the hull. The tanks were often covered with Zimmerit to prevent the attachments of magnetic mines.


A battalion of Tiger IIs drawn up for inspection in Paderborn-Sennelager, autumn 1944


Internally the vehicle followed the usual German layout with front sprocket drive and crew positions as for the Panther. The big turret had several interesting features; it lacked the usual basket and was built out very wide over an immense 73inch diameter turret ring. To assist in loading the big ammunition rounds carried, 22 rounds were mounted in the rear turret bulge, thus giving the loader a minimum handling movement. Power traverse was as for the Panther and Tiger.


Tiger of sPzAbt. 'Fernherrnhalle' in Budapest, spring 1945


Suspension was by torsion bars and it followed the same type of arrangement as in the Tiger Ausf. E. However, the wheels were overlapped rather than interleaved as on the Tiger. This change was adapted to simplify the maintenance problems which had been inherent with interleaved road wheels. Similarly, the tendency for the wheels to freeze solid with packed snow was obviated to some extent. Steel-tyred resiliently sprung wheels (which featured a layer of rubber between two steel tyres) were standard on the Tiger II as on the late models Tiger Ausf. E and Panthers.


The early-style turret.............The Serien-Turm (series turret).




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To: aomagrat
Thanks for this profile aomagrat.

It may have been sad to see her go but even in her last hour she gave by promoting Billy Mitchell's ideas which were beneficial to our country.
21 posted on 03/16/2004 6:31:22 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bentfeather
Good morning feather.
22 posted on 03/16/2004 6:31:41 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: U S Army EOD
but then again all airplanes look alike such as the Piper Cub and B 36 to me.

That's cold, really cold.

23 posted on 03/16/2004 6:32:21 AM PST by CholeraJoe (VetsCor!! Because an Oath is forever)
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To: U S Army EOD
LOL. Good morning EOD.
24 posted on 03/16/2004 6:33:02 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: CholeraJoe
Good morning CJ. I recall Sam saying they had to "fix up" the tanks used in Private Ryan to look like them. I'm sure he'll explain more when he signs on. ;-)
25 posted on 03/16/2004 6:34:05 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: archy
Good Morning Archy.

Ever read "The Tigers are Burning" by Caidin? Pretty good book on Kursk.
26 posted on 03/16/2004 6:51:30 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


27 posted on 03/16/2004 6:52:26 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: Aeronaut
Morning Aeronaut.

That looks like something out of the Sci-Fi magazines of the 20's and 30's

28 posted on 03/16/2004 6:57:16 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: E.G.C.
Morning E.G.C.
29 posted on 03/16/2004 6:57:43 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: Samwise; archy
Morning Samwise. This is the first time I saw that poem. I avoided poetry like the plague.
30 posted on 03/16/2004 6:59:14 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: The Mayor
Morning Mayor. Looks like Snippy could really use the coffee this morning.
31 posted on 03/16/2004 7:00:19 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: SAMWolf; Samwise; archy
I avoided poetry like the plague.

See how much you've grown? LOL.
32 posted on 03/16/2004 7:02:56 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: aomagrat
While the rules of the exercise were broken by the fliers using 2000-pound bombs, and the vessel would no doubt have survived easily if buttoned up and given even a minimum amount of damage control, the film footage of those tiny little planes sinking a battleship had the desired effect in promoting airpower.

Morning aomagrat. Mitchell knew he had to do whatever it took to win. Those are the "rules".

33 posted on 03/16/2004 7:03:03 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: bentfeather
Morning Feather.
34 posted on 03/16/2004 7:04:41 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: SAMWolf
Morning Sam.
35 posted on 03/16/2004 7:04:49 AM PST by Aeronaut (The ACLU Doesn't hate all religion, just Christianity!)
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To: Valin
1969 Peter Stone & Sherman Edward's "1776" premieres at 46th St Theater NYC for 1217 performances

One of the few live plays I've seen. Saw it at the Schubert Theater in Chicago. I really enjoyed it and have a copy of the Movie.

36 posted on 03/16/2004 7:11:40 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks for the ping-along.

I first heard the sound of the Tiger [unknown version] in January 1945 when they crossed the Rhine North of Strassbourg in Operation Norwind [Nazi last offensive]. They were painted white in the snow and our rear command did not at first believe they had crossed over until they were heard. The 88 made a whistling sound which signalled it's coming and provided time for cover. I was in an Infantry Task Force unequipped for tank battles and we were clobbered. In March we got even, big time. Regards,

37 posted on 03/16/2004 7:14:19 AM PST by ex-snook (Be Patriotic - STOP outsourcing in the War on American Jobs.)
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To: CholeraJoe
These are the "Big Bothers" of the Tigers in Private Ryan. But if you're an infantryman, I guess every tank is really, really huge.


38 posted on 03/16/2004 7:23:51 AM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: SAMWolf
Hiya Sam. It's THREADHEAD TUESDAY!
39 posted on 03/16/2004 7:29:45 AM PST by Professional Engineer (A friendly reminder: Hydrogen Hydroxide is everywhere. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!)
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To: SAMWolf
I keep looking for a copy of it.
What I liked the first time I saw the movie was it made the founders REAL people. John Adams was not a well-liked person, I sometimes think he would fit in here just fine, as he apparently liked nothing better than a good argument. (Not to say people argue here :-))
40 posted on 03/16/2004 7:47:19 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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