Posted on 07/25/2004 12:05:06 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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first in?





Yep! :-)
Good night, Snippy
LOL. Wow, you snuck in! Can't sleep? Addicted to FR by any chance?
Good night Sams. ;-)
Good morning Aeronaut.
Wow, are you up early or up late?
Up late. One of those "can't sleep" nights, thought I'd check in on the Foxhole.
Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.
Good Morning, Foxhole
Here's to another great post and The C/19

Charlie Troop Callsigns
Blood Thirsty (1965-late 1966)
Brave Fighter (1966-'67)
Phantom Raider (2/1967) [upon the move to LZ Twobits-Hohman]
Bold Avenger (Autumn 1967-'68)
Dashing Cavalier (July 1968-'71)
Blue Annihilators (Aero-Rifle Platoon Blues)
I'm in.
Thanks...Snippy!
kerry sure pales in comparision.
What a trememendous young man Lewis Albanese was.
God bless him.
all is well here. we're having WAFFLES this AM at the request of duckie.
come on over!
hug/kiss,duckie & sw

Read: John 9:1-12
Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. John 9:3
Bible In One Year: Psalms 37-39; Acts 26
The baby lay critically ill in the hospital, fighting to breathe. He had pneumonia, which made staying alive a struggle for his 8-month-old body. Doctors, nurses, and his family fought to save this weak baby boy.
Some people say he should never have made it to 8 months of age. Others say this precious child should not have been allowed to be born, or that he should have been left to die after he was born.
Why would anyone say this? For one simple reason: Dylan has Down syndrome. Through no fault of his own or of his parents, my great-nephew has an extra chromosome, and he will face some added struggles in his life.
But isnt his life worth as much as the life of a sick baby with an extra chromosome? Are we not all of equal value in the eyes of our Creator? Arent we all deficient in some way? Our lack of perfection should remind us that no one has the right to judge anothers worth.
Our imperfections are opportunities for God to work in our lives. Thats what Jesus told His disciples when they asked why a man had been born blind. He said it happened so that the works of God should be revealed in him(John 9:3).
Were seeing God work in Dylans life. Thats what hes here for-just like the rest of us. Dave Branon
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Morning Aeronaut
Morning E.G.C. We have clouds this morning, good sign that it may cool down today.
Morning tomball.
Thanks for the link and the Callsigns. Strange how those sound so un-PC in today's world. :-(
Morning Darksheare.
kerry sure pales in comparision
Yeah, but did Lewis Albanese "win" three, count em, three Purple Hearts? < /sarcasm>

FREE DIXIE!
If God didnt have a purpose for us, we wouldnt be here.
So easy for us to forget sometimes.
Morning GailA.
Waffles from stand watie or pancakes from you.
Decisions, Decisions!
Guess I'll just have to take both. :-)
Good Morning Feather
that's what she wants.
free dixie,sw
On This Day In History
Birthdates which occurred on July 25:
1109 Afonso I, the Conqueror, king of Portugal (1143-85)
1575 Christoph Scheiner Germany, astronomer
1775 Anna Symmes Harrison 1st lady
1795 James Barry, female disguised as a man, surgeon general (British army)
1822 Schuyler Hamilton, Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1903
1824 Richard James Oglesby, Union (Union volunteers), died in 1899
1840 Flora Adams Darling founded Daughters of American Revolution
1848 Arthur Earl Balfour (C), British PM (1902-05) (Balfour Declaration)
1884 Davidson Black Canada, doctor of anatomy (identified Peking Man)
1894 Walter Brennan Swampscott Mass, actress (Real McCoys, At Gun Point)
1902 Eric Hoffer longshoreman/author (True Believer)
1907 Jack Gilford NYC, actor (Save the Tiger, Cocoon, Arthur 2)
1924 Estelle Getty NYC, actress (Sophia Petrillo-Golden Girls)
1924 Frank Church (Sen-D-Id)
1925 Jerry Paris SF Calif, director/actor (Jerry-Dick Van Dyke Show)
1927 Midge Decter St Paul Minn,Evil right-wing ideologue writer (An Old Wife's Tale, Rumsfeld...)
1930 Maureen Forrester Montreal Canada, contralto (Ressurection Symphony)
1932 Paul J Weitz Erie Pennsylvania, astronaut (Skylab 2, STS 6)
1943 Janet Margolin NYC, actress (Take the Money & Run, David & Lisa)
1943 Jim McCarty rocker (The Yardbirds-For Your Love)
1948 Steve Goodman Chicago, singer/songwriter (Somebody Elses Trouble)
1952 "Gorgeous" Jimmy Garvin, [Williams], NWA/WCW/AWA wrestler
1954 Walter Payton NFL running back (Chicago Bears)
1957 Daniel W Bursch, Bristol PA, Lt Cmdr USN/Astronaut (STS 51, 68, 77)
1957 Roger Clinton, singer, President Clinton's half-brother
1967 Matt LeBlanc, actor (Joey Tribbiani-Friends)
1975 Jay R Ferguson Jr Dallas Tx, actor (Taylor Newton-Evening Shade)
1978 Caroline Nicole Brigman, Miss South Carolina Teen USA (1997)
1978 Louise Brown Oldham England, world's 1st `test tube baby'
2003 Logan, AKA Texas Termite, world famous heart throb
TRUST ME on that!
free dixie,sw
A slap on the wrist, move on with his career as Senator and prepare to get John Kerry's "ticket" punched to launch Kerry's career. Meanwhile Mary Jo Kopechne is still dead.
I know, I know. ;-)
Good afternoon EGC.
ME TOO!
waffles were GOOD, even if i did cook 'em!
free dixie,sw
Thank you tomball. This is great!
Afternoon Darksheare.
Good afternoon Northern Yankee. Funny how everyone we profile at the Foxhole makes kerry look small. ;-)
I overslept and missed the waffles. Besides, if I ever make it to SC I want grits!!
Amen Mayor. Lord willing when we're done we'll all be headed home together and finally get to talk to some of the people we've profiled at the Foxhole and our friends here.
We could use that rain but I don't expect it will turn west. Good afternoon Gail.
Good morning feather. It's cooled down thank goodness. We're having a beautiful day.
The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Lundy's Lane (7/25/1814) - Sep. 7th, 2003
Shameless plug!
1) Book: The Lady and the President - Loss of the S.S. President Coolidge, October 1942, enroute to the relief of Guadacanal; hit mines and sank off Espiritu Santo, Vanuatu. Please note the Updates and Correspondence page, wherein readers (some are survirors) report in by e-mail.
2) 5th Air Service Command, Townsville Australia.
For a significant, and the largest, portion of World War II in the Pacific, this aircraft depot was responsible for maintaining the U.S.A.A.C. and U.S.A.A.F. For most of the period of its operation, it was under the command of Colonel Victor E. Bertrandias, later Maj. General during the war and the Inspector General ("I.G.") of the U.S.A.A.F.
Few people in the United States have any appreciation for the less glamorous work of aircraft maintenance and all its logistical requirements, indeed, its importance in the logistics chain that determines what commanders actually can do. We do not really see enough of this topic in movies nor in war stories and certainly not in --- until it serves the socialists for their purposes of criticizing American operations by noting the lack of preparations --- the "liberal media" newspapers, such as the New York Times, which newspaper remains "deeply saddened" by the deaths of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, and Mao.
Furthermore, nothing in the modern age of warfare that relies upon any technology, advances to the front without logistics and maintenance considerations --- such maintenance and logistics organizations whose duty it is to provide for the advance, (and the relief and the repairs and the recovery and the rescue and the safe return of our forces) must know what is going on in order to be prepared and prepare well.
Everything that happened in the U.S.A.A.F. in the Pacific Theatre was known to General Bertrandias, because every air action resulted in maintenance demands. The man was blunt, tough, efficient, "colorful," and did not mince words nor waste time nor worry about making friends, though he understood well, what not to do, that might make enemies.
General Bertrandias and General LeMay and General Blanchard were famous among operators, for going anywhere, studying any problem, talking to anybody, instead of waiting for something to land in their lap.
Now for my humble opinon:
People talk up intel and intel assets without much knowledge of what either requires logistically, especially among the most high, suit and tie, talkers who are "in the loop" but both unfamiliar with and uncomfortable with operational preparedness --- they mostly or only know the dollar figures --- their discomfort and objections to getting their fingernails dirty, results in loss(es), which they are quick to blame on everybody and everything, else.
The Bush [still running then 41% of the Clinton] Administration was not prepared to do anything substantial even if it had encountered, suddenly some few weeks before September 11, 2001, "better intel." Their intel focus was, and is still mostly, limited in scope, not by dollars, but by thinking in a fashion that pre-supposes both, how they want the enemy to strike, given how they want to react with resources they want to have the choice to use, and, given how they want to control the public.
The Bush Administration is obsessed with controlling the public, which government behavior is typical of bureaucrats trying to CYA. They are not paying attention to intel that reveals the perspective of the enemy; they were not paying attention to that prior to "9-11," and they have not been paying too much attention to it even after "9-11," as indicated by the commission's report, last week, except, that around four months ago when things began to really get serious, they began to think outside the box and ask more questions from people in the trenches.
The federal government thinks mostly that it and its agencies and agents are the target, and they are determined to focus (particularly intel) along such pre-supposed avenues of attack ... though in the last four months, the objections of "flyover country" to such heavy-handed tactics from the nation's capital, have begun to sink in ... some.
The States are currently mostly prepared to respond to a federal response to what happens. The States are not prepared to act on their own; they have barely even thought of it.
Whatever was the small air force of your state on September 11, 2001, it should have by now been quadrupled, because your State needs the aerial observation power in order to see what is going on down there in the event of an emergency, but also to notice patterns of traffic behavior, including the railroads and riverways, so that a basis is established and thus "unusual" activity possibly detected. At rush hour every day, for every major metropolis in the U.S., there should be state police aircraft, one each, over each major in and out artery.
That is not what "suits" think about; rather, they are obsessed with command and control pretentiousness and self-importance. They know something that you don't, and it is hidden in the name of "don't panic the public" ... to the point where they are first and foremost, in meetings, critical of the public "because of what it might do."
The public's instinct, both for survival and thus self-defense, is "a problem" for the superintendants of the public attitude, and that is where they spend a lot of money, and time, instead of working on anti-terrorism preparedness. They are focused on after-terrorism preparedness.
Well, we certainly do need after-terrorism preparedness, but there ought to be some balance in our efforts, such as respecting our need for ,and our having much more, anti-terrorism preparedness other than just intel.
Is it a contest to figure out your tagline? :-)
Thanks for the Heston flag-o-gram.
sw ate YOURS! and now YOU are responsible for his RAPIDLY expanding waistline. "thanks a lot!",duckie
hug/kiss, duckie & sw
Thanks for the suggestions. We have covered some operations from Townsville but not specifically the 5th. We'll check out the links and names, we appreciate it.
As far as ground crews and their importance I have a thread started on it but there is little out there in any one place so I've been looking at bits and pieces, thanks for the encouragement to keep looking.
Logistics are important and we try to cover even the most seemingly mundane job to show how important every assignment and task is to the overall operation.
As far as after 9-11 efforts, I could go on and on. Specifically of concern to me is our continued lax on illegal aliens and the import of "refugees".
We try to leave the majority of politics for other threads so I won't rant on here. LOL!
Thanks again for all the good information and suggestions.
LOL. I've got my own expanding waistline to worry about. Thanks for taking up the extra sw.
Glad to see you're feeling better duckie!
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