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The FReeper Foxhole Revisits The Battle of Antietam (Sharpsburg)(9/17/1862) Part I - Sep. 17th, 2004
http://www.texasrifles.com ^ | July 30, 1995 | Peter Carlson

Posted on 09/17/2004 2:51:58 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.



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There's not much there. It's just a field, really. But people come every day, sometimes from far away, to stand and look.

They park their cars on a road that rises and dips with the rolling hills. They step out and glance around. They bow their heads to read the sign and then straighten up to stare out at the field. There's a split-rail fence and, in the distance, some farm buildings -- a white silo, a fading barn. In between there's hay -- 30 acres of tall green stalks of grass topped with tiny seeds. When the breeze picks up, the stalks begin to quiver, then shake, then sway back and forth like sea grasses caught in gentle waves.



It's beautiful to watch, hypnotic and mesmerizing, but that's not why the people stand there for so long. They're staring at the grass but they're seeing something else, something that hasn't been there for 133 years. They seldom speak. When they do, it's usually in a hush, nothing loud enough to drown out the drone of the crickets.

This field of hay is called "the Cornfield" because that's what it was at dawn on September 17, 1862. By noon, though, the corn was gone, cut to the ground by bullets and cannon shells, and the field was covered with thousands of dead or broken men. It was the bloodiest part of the bloodiest day in this country's history -- the Battle of Antietam. Nearly 23,000 Americans were killed, wounded or missing in action outside Sharpsburg, Md., that day -- nearly four times the American casualties on D-Day. When the sun set and the battle ended, the two opposing armies were still in about the same positions they'd been the previous night. Yet something was won that day, something so profound that George F. Will once called the Battle of Antietam "the second most important day in American history." July 4, 1776, gave us the Declaration of Independence. September 17, 1862, gave us the Emancipation Proclamation.


That terrible day at Antietam, the First Texas Regiment battles for the Cornfield. Of 226 engaged, 40 returned unharmed.


Today, few Americans know much about Antietam, and even fewer visit the battlefield. More than a million and a half tourists cram into Gettysburg every year and nearly a million visit Manassas, but fewer than 240,000 venture to Antietam. Those who do find that Sharpsburg hasn't changed much since the battle. It has a few inns, a gallery of Civil War art and a tiny museum, but not a single motel or souvenir stand or fast-food joint. Except for a small stone visitors center, a cemetery and some monuments, the battlefield, too, looks about the same as it did before the shooting started. Most of the fields where soldiers fought and died are still farms where families coax crops from the ground.

Antietam is only 70 miles from Washington, but it's off the tourist track, away from the interstates, tucked into the beautiful hills of western Maryland. It's not a place you stumble upon by accident. People tend to come to Antietam in search of something -- a fallen ancestor, a glimpse of history, a place to contemplate their country. They find a field, a sunken dirt road, an old stone bridge, a tiny white church -- all of them haunted by an air of tragedy so palpable that it compels almost everyone to whisper, as if they were visiting a cathedral.


Federal Troops retreat from the Cornfield


They stand silently, gazing out at the swaying grass of the Cornfield. Ask them what they're thinking and nearly all of them repeat some variation of the same three questions:

How could they have done it?

Could we do it today?

Could I?

"The Union forces in Virginia have suffered three catastrophic defeats in 1862," says Jerry Holsworth. "They have been humiliated by General Stonewall Jackson in the Shenandoah Valley, mauled by Lee in the Seven Days Battle, and again at Manassas. They huddle around Washington, D.C., in a state of very low morale . . ."



Holsworth is a park ranger at the Antietam National Battlefield. He's standing behind the visitors center on a sweltering afternoon, delivering the standard half-hour orientation speech in his own flamboyant style. Spread out in a semicircle around him are two dozen tourists in shorts and sneakers and T-shirts. Holsworth has asked where they're from, and they've replied Colorado, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio. Holsworth is from Texas. At 44, he's working his second summer on the Antietam battlefield.

And now he's standing in his Park Service uniform -- gray shirt, green pants, Smokey Bear hat -- telling the story of the battle, enlivening it with dramatic flourishes and plenty of body English. He tells how Robert E. Lee's Confederates have driven the Union army out of Virginia and back to Washington, how Abraham Lincoln is desperate for a victory so he can issue the Emancipation Proclamation, how Lee has seized the initiative by crossing the Potomac and invading Maryland, hoping that a victory on Northern soil will bring aid from England and France.

"Lee's army is suffering, folks," Holsworth says in his Texas drawl. "Half the men are barefoot. They're in rags. They've been fightin' continuously for three or four months without a break. Many of them are livin' on green corn and creek water."


General Robert E. Lee


Still, the Rebels easily seized the city of Frederick, and Lee decided to take a dangerous gamble. Knowing that Union Gen. George McClellan was a slow, cautious man, Lee figured that he could divide his already-outnumbered army, send part of it to capture the Union garrison at Harpers Ferry, and then reunite it -- all before McClellan attacked. Lee issued Special Order 191, which detailed his plan. But one of his officers wrapped a copy of the order around three cigars and accidentally dropped it in a field near Frederick, where a Union soldier found it. It was passed up the ranks to McClellan, who instantly realized that he could destroy Lee's divided army piece by piece. He pondered this for 18 hours, then sent his army after Lee.


General George McClellan


Holsworth sweeps his hand out in a long horizontal arc, pointing out the ridge that his audience is standing on. "Lee will bring what's left of his army here to Sharpsburg Ridge with the idea of giving up the campaign and skedaddling back to Virginia," he says. He pauses dramatically. "But that night Lee would see the letter that would change his mind. Dear General Lee: Harpers Ferry will surrender in the morning. Signed T.J. Jackson, Major General, Confederate States Army.' "

The next day, as promised, Jackson captured Harpers Ferry. He left Gen. A.P. Hill and a few thousand men to handle the surrender, then marched his troops back here, to the high ground between the Potomac River and Antietam Creek. Reinforced, Lee decided to stand and fight. The Rebels, about 40,000 strong, dug in along Sharpsburg Ridge. The Federals, 80,000 of them, prepared to attack. Everyone on both sides realized that tomorrow would bring a cataclysmic battle. The sun set amid the sound of sniper fire. Rain began to fall.



"The day before the battle, the soldiers came around and said, You all better get out, there's gonna be a hell of a battle here,' " says Earl Roulette. "That was on my great-granddaddy Roulette's farm. He stayed during the battle. A lot of people took their families and went out along the river to a big cave."

Roulette had three great-granddaddies with farms on the battlefield -- a Roulette, a Snavely and a Rohrbach. He lives on a fourth farm, on the other side of town, near the spot where Lee made his headquarters. He farmed it for more than half a century before he retired -- "wheat and corn and barley and hay and cattle, pretty much the same as they did then." In 1976, he sold a big chunk of it to a company that built a development where the streets are named after Confederate generals -- Lee, Longstreet, Jackson, Hill.


Confederate dead on the Hagerstown road at the Battle of Antietam


"Everybody thinks the Civil War was forever ago," he says. "I'm only 75 and a half, and my grandfather was 12 during the battle. He hid down at Snavely's Ford. I remember my grandpappy talking about it. What I'm saying is: It's just one generation."

He's an old man with a bald head fringed by a few wisps of white hair, but he's still spry enough to hop up from his dining room table to fetch a few mementos. He comes back with an old document encased in plastic. It's a handwritten list of everything his great-grandfather William Roulette lost during the battle -- 8 hogs, 12 sheep, 3 calves, 3 barrels of flour, 155 bushels of potatoes, 220 bushels of apples . . . It goes on for page after page.


General A.P. Hill


"See, this was September," he says. "These farmers were all ready for winter. In those days, you didn't run over to A&P or Food Lion to get your stuff. If you didn't have it in the fall, you did without till spring."

William Roulette filed his list with the federal government, hoping to be compensated for his losses, but his great-grandson doubts that he ever got a nickel. "He had to prove it was taken by the Northern army," he says, "and how the hell could you prove it when both armies were fighting there?"

He points to another item on the list -- "burial ground for 700 soldiers." He smiles wryly. "Can you imagine 700 soldiers buried in your back yard?"


Confederate dead in the Sunken Lane at the Battle of Antietam


He puts down the list, rummages through a metal tray piled with battle relics he's found on his farm over the years -- bullets, belt buckles, cannonballs. He picks out a dime. It looks almost new, but the date reads 1861. "It lay out there for over a hundred years," he says. "I just found it a couple of years ago."

He digs out a pair of bullets with tooth marks in them. "You've heard the expression biting the bullet'?" he asks. "Well, here's a couple that was bit on." He figures they were bitten by soldiers fighting the pain of getting a wounded arm or leg amputated -- a common operation after the battle. "You don't go around biting bullets unless you got a pretty good reason."

He sorts through the pile and picks out a thin gold ring. He didn't find it on his farm; it was passed down from his grandpa Snavely.

"A soldier died in their house," he says. "I believe it was an officer and not just a plain soldier. Whichever side it was, soldiers from the other side were coming and they had to get rid of him, 'cause if you had an enemy soldier in your house, you were the enemy. Feelings ran a little high along about then. So anyhow, they took him and they dumped him in the creek. And before they threw him in, my grandpa Snavely took this ring off his finger."


General John Bell Hood


He holds the ring gently between his thumb and forefinger. Its circle is broken. There's a piece missing, a section cut or worn away. He raises it up to where it can catch the sunlight that streams through the window, but it's too old and tarnished to glimmer.

"This meant something to somebody," he says.






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"Now it's dawn, September 17, 1862," Jerry Holsworth tells the tourists, speaking in the portentous voice of a newsreel narrator, "and out of the north woods emerges the First Corps of the Army of the Potomac under Joseph Hooker." He's pointing north, past the Cornfield to a clump of trees on the horizon. "They move forward into Jackson's line, smash into it! And the Cornfield changes hands! Jackson's line is crushed!"


From the North Woods, Union General Joseph Hooker's dawn artillery pounds the Confederate troops of Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson standing in the Miller Cornfield and beneath the giant oak trees or limestone outcroppings of the West Woods surrounding the Little Dunker Church. Union officers looking across these fields at first believed the Church to be a School House. Hooker drives Jackson back almost to the Church but is then forced to retreat after Jackson is reinforced. This first effort was an attempt to get around Lee's left flank and also cut off his retreat across the Potomac River. Union General Joseph Mansfield then tries to march through the flattened corn field but is also repulsed. Union General John Sedgwick's division then succeeds in advancing into the Dunker West Woods but McLaws and Walker's troops kill or wound more than half of his division - over 2,200 men die from close range fire in about fifteen minutes. These bloody exchanges claimed over twelve thousand men from both armies in about three hours, which means that men were dying at the rate of about one per second (12,600 ÷ (3x60x60)).


Hooker's Union troops, about 10,000 strong, were headed for a little whitewashed church built by the German Baptist Brethren, a pacifist sect nicknamed the Dunkards. The church marked the northern flank of Lee's army, and Hooker's orders were to turn that flank and cut off Lee's escape route to the Potomac. As the dawn burned away the early-morning fog, Hooker's artillery pounded the Confederates in the head-high corn, sending cornstalks and mangled bodies skyward. Then his infantry charged, driving the Rebels into the woods near the Dunkard Church.

Thinking they'd won the battle, the Yankees began to cheer, but their celebration proved premature. John B. Hood's Texans, irked at missing what would have been their first hot meal in three days, counterattacked, shooting hundreds of Union soldiers and chasing the rest out of the Cornfield. Seemingly victorious, the Texans moved forward, right into the mouths of hidden Union artillery, which ripped into them at close range. Fresh Yankee troops, led by Gen. Joseph Mansfield, charged and drove the Rebels from the Cornfield again.


At Antietam, the first Union blow came at 6am, striking toward the left of Lee's dreadfully thin line. In the midst of the battle, General "Stonewall" Jackson directed the desperate defense, with what an observer described as "his customary imperturbable bravery, riding among the batteries and directing their fire, and communicating his own indomitable spirit to his men." What had made Jackson famous in every battle before was obvious in those desperate, bloody hours as his men were killed and wounded. In a critical moment in the West Woods near the Dunker Church, the unruffled "Stonewall" directed his final counterattack, saving the Confederate left from complete destruction. Afterwards, when asked of the condition of his men, Jackson simply replied, "I fear they have done their worst." For General Jackson and the nation, it was the bloodiest single day of the war.


In the furious fighting, Mansfield was killed and Hooker was wounded, but the Federals held the advantage. The Confederate line was thin and another attack could break it, perhaps destroying Lee's army. Gen. John Sedgwick made that attack, leading 6,000 fresh Union troops toward the Confederate positions in the woods near the Dunkard Church. Desperate, Lee rounded up a division of Rebels who'd just arrived from Harpers Ferry and rushed them into the woods. They got there just in time to catch the advancing Yankees in an ambush. Within 20 minutes, more than a third of Sedgwick's men lay dead or wounded, and the rest were running for their lives.

Exhausted, both sides pulled back. By mid-morning, the battle for Lee's northern flank had ended in bloody stalemate. The Cornfield, captured and recaptured four times, was strewn with more than 10,000 dead or wounded men. "Pale and bloody faces are everywhere upturned," wrote George Smalley, who covered the battle for the New York Tribune. "They are sad and terrible, but there is nothing which makes one's heart beat so quickly as the imploring look of sorely wounded men who beckon wearily for help . . ."


Confederate artillery units (left) fire on Union General John Sedgwick's brigades coming out of the East Woods (right), to prevent them from capturing the high ground at the West Woods next to the Dunker Church. This large mural was painted by Captain James Hope who was injured in a previous battle and consigned to the sidelines as a map maker.


Answering their calls was a 40-year-old former Patent Office clerk named Clara Barton, who had volunteered to nurse the wounded. When a soldier lying in the Cornfield called to her for a drink, she bent down, lifted his head with her right hand and held a cup of water to his lips. As she did, a bullet passed through her sleeve and into the man's chest, killing him instantly.

Shannon Moore is standing under a shade tree near the Dunkard Church, wearing red sneakers, red shorts, a Minnie Mouse T-shirt and a cardboard sign that identifies her: "Clara Barton."

She watches as the other 35 fifth-graders from Pleasant Valley Elementary School in Knoxville, Md., prepare for battle. Their teachers divide them into Union and Confederate armies, and each kid gets a card that reveals his or her fate. Number ones are head wounds, twos are stomach wounds, threes are leg wounds. It's an exercise designed to demonstrate what medicine was like on the Antietam battlefield. The two little armies spread out on the field next to the Dunkard Church, just behind a metal memorial to Kershaw's Brigade of the South Carolina Infantry, which fought there. "Nearly one half of the officers and men of the brigade," it reads, "were killed and wounded in less than 15 minutes."


Clara Barton


Kris McGee, one of the fifth-grade teachers, gives some last-minute instructions: "The theatrics -- we need 'em, but don't overdo it."

"This is not a game," says Mike Weinstein, the park ranger who designed this program. "It's partially a game, but it's serious."

McGee gives the word, and the two armies march slowly toward each other.

"Twos!" McGee yells.

The twos in both armies fall to the ground, victims of fictitious gunfire.

"Ones!"

The ones drop in their tracks, some of them writhing and moaning theatrically.

"Threes!"

They fall, too.



"Okay, that's the end of the battle," McGee says. "Freeze where you are."

Clara Barton and her assistants begin separating out the wounded. They've been instructed in the pitiless art of Civil War triage: Wounded torsos are bandaged, wounded limbs are amputated, wounded heads are given up for dead.

Barton kneels beside a boy wearing a Chicago Bulls T-shirt. She pulls out a bloodstained bandage and wraps it around his midsection, right over the Bulls logo.

Nearby, a wounded girl lies moaning. "Clara Barton, help me," she says. "Clara, help me."

"Okay, nice job," says McGee. "Give yourselves a hand."

They applaud themselves, then file into the Dunkard Church and sit in its austere wooden pews.



"What I would like to hear from you is your reactions -- what you thought and felt," says Weinstein.

"It was kind of weird," says one girl.

"Weird?" says Weinstein. "Why?"

"In the real battle, they didn't call out numbers," she says.

"Would you rather that we shot you?" Weinstein asks. He turns to another girl. "You were one of the last ones taken to the hospital. How did you feel about that?"

"Like I was going to die," she says.

"Who were the number ones?" Weinstein asks. "How were you treated?"

"Left alone," says a boy.

"What was your wound?"

"Head wound."

"We know that there was nothing you could do for a head wound in the Civil War," Weinstein says. "The surgeon had to decide who he could help."

He passes around a photograph of Clara Barton. "She brought supplies to the surgeons on the battlefield," he says. "These were not army supplies. They were her personal supplies. You know what the surgeons were using to dress wounds before Clara Barton got here? Grass. Leaves. Corn husks. How would you feel getting your wounds dressed with corn husks?"


Run Up the Elevating Screw and Give 'Em Hell, Boys!" by: Rick Reeves.
Battery B in the Cornfield at the Battle of Antietam.


The kids grimace and groan.

"It was very common for legs to be amputated in the Civil War," he continues. "They would take a sharp knife and cut through the skin, then they would take a saw and cut the bone." He distributes photographs of a field hospital set up in a barn. "The surgeons liked barns because they believed that air was good for you. They didn't know about germs."

Now, he prepares to pass around two pictures of bloated, stiffened corpses on the Antietam battlefield. They are famous photographs taken by Alexander Gardner two days after the battle and exhibited a few weeks later in Mathew Brady's Manhattan gallery, inspiring a horrified reviewer to write: "Mr. Brady has done something to bring home to us the terrible reality and earnestness of war. If he has not brought home bodies and laid them in our door-yards and along the streets, he has done something very like it . . ."

"These are pretty strong photographs," Weinstein warns. "The purpose is to show you that this wasn't a game."

Their curiosity whetted, the kids crane their necks to catch a glimpse. But when they see the grisly images, they don't recoil or gasp. In fact, they hardly react at all.

In the 133 years since these photographs shocked New York, even 11-year-old kids have seen far worse countless times, live and in color, right in their living rooms.
Tomorrow we will continue with the Battle at Antietam with the Midday and Afternoon Phase finishing up with The Impact of Antietam. Next Friday we will cover the "Lost Orders of Antietam".


Today's Educational Sources and suggestions for further reading:

The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Antietam(Sharpsburg) (9/17/1862) - Sep. 17th, 2003

1 posted on 09/17/2004 2:51:59 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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1862 Battle of Sharpsburg (Antietam)-bloodiest day in American history

Casualties at Antietam

Casualties include three categories: 1) dead; 2) wounded; and 3) missing or captured.
Approximate Numbers
Union
Confederate
Total
Killed
2,100
1,550
3,650
Wounded
9,550
7,750
17,300
Missing/Captured
750
1,020
1,770
Total
12,400
10,320
22,720

These are the approximate numbers for September 17th, 1862. No one knows the actual number of men who would later die of their wounds or the number of missing who had been killed. If you take a conservative estimate of 20% of the wounded dying of their wounds and 30% of the missing killed, the approximate number of soldiers that died as a result of this battle are 7,640.

Casualties at Antietam by Phase of Battle
The casualty numbers below include all three categories. The numbers below are approximations of the casualties that occurred in each phase of the battle. The chaos of battle makes it exceedingly difficult to develop precise numbers for casualties in each phase of the battle. Overall, 1 in 4 soldiers involved in battle that day were killed, wounded, or missing.
Union Confederate
Troops Engaged
Casualties
Troops Engaged
Casualties
Morning Phase
Cornfield 17,000 4,350 11,800 4,200
West Woods 5,400 2,200 9,000 1,850
Total, Morning Phase 22,400 6,550 20,800 6,050
Midday Phase
Bloody Lane 9,700 2,900 6,500 2,600
Afternoon Phase
Burnside Bridge 4,270 500 500 120
Final Attack 9,550 1,850 5,500 1,000
Total, Afternoon Phase 13,820 2,350 6,000 1,120
Battle Total* 56,000 12,400 37,400 10,300
*The total numbers for the battle do not reflect the sum of all three phases due to approximations for numbers in each phase.


2 posted on 09/17/2004 2:52:32 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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3 posted on 09/17/2004 2:54:48 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Good morning Snippy.


4 posted on 09/17/2004 2:56:59 AM PDT by Aeronaut (Democrats can't get elected unless things get worse -- and things won't unless they get elected.)
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Good morning, snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole


5 posted on 09/17/2004 3:04:57 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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I would like to visit both Gettysburg and Antietam battlefields in the same trip, possibly next summer.


6 posted on 09/17/2004 3:09:33 AM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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Good Morning Snippy.


7 posted on 09/17/2004 3:22:19 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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Morning Aeronaut.


8 posted on 09/17/2004 3:22:36 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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Morning E.G.C. Looks like we have rain storms in the forecast :-(


9 posted on 09/17/2004 3:23:45 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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Hi Sam.


10 posted on 09/17/2004 3:23:59 AM PDT by Aeronaut (Democrats can't get elected unless things get worse -- and things won't unless they get elected.)
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Morning rdl6989.

I would like to visit both Gettysburg and Antietam battlefields in the same trip

That's what we have planned, we're hoping we can get them both in but we may not be able to pull it off this trip.

11 posted on 09/17/2004 3:26:36 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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Well, stay safe and make sure your computer is turned off during the lightning part of the storms.

We downloaded a couple of critical updates yesterday. One in the morning and again in the afternoon. We were offered XP SP 2 but declined. We took our black lab dog out to the lake. He had a great time.

Not much else happening, just another normal day here at the computer.

How's it going, Snippy?

12 posted on 09/17/2004 3:34:30 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Well, stay safe and make sure your computer is turned off during the lightning part of the storms.

Thanks. That's our plan. ;-)

13 posted on 09/17/2004 3:37:13 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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September 17, 2004

Nothing Hidden

Read: 1 Timothy 5:24-25

Some men's sins are clearly evident . . . . Likewise, the good works of some . . . and those that are otherwise cannot be hidden. —1 Timothy 5:24-25

Bible In One Year: Proverbs 27-29; 2 Corinthians 10


A woman had been maligned and misrepresented by an envious co-worker. She was frustrated be-cause her attempts to confront her in private had only made matters worse. So she decided to swallow her pride and let the matter go. She said, "I'm glad the Lord knows the true situation." She expressed a profound truth that both warns and comforts.

Paul pointed out that nothing can be concealed forever (1 Timothy 5:24-25). This serves as a solemn warning. For example, a news report told about a highly respected person who was arrested for crimes he had been secretly committing for years.

Yet the fact that nothing can be hidden can also be a great consolation. I have known people who never held a position of honor, nor were they recognized for their service. After they died, however, I learned that in their own quiet way they had touched many lives with their kind words and helpful deeds. Their good works could not remain hidden.

We can hide nothing from God—that's a solemn warning! But it's also a great comfort, for our heavenly Father knows about every encouraging smile, every kind word, and every loving deed done in Jesus' name. And someday He will reward us. —Herb Vander Lugt

Be strong and to the will of God be true,
For though your book of life be sealed,
God knows what lies ahead awaiting you,
He knows when it should be revealed. —Anon.

Neither vice nor virtue can remain a secret forever.

14 posted on 09/17/2004 4:19:18 AM PDT by The Mayor (A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.)
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Good morning snippy, SAM, and all the folks in the Foxhole.

Another excellent article (as usual); and one that causes a person to think long and hard about the conflict that George Will once called "the monsoon of our history."
Indeed, it was. Reading it through twice a quote kept occurring to me from one of the major participants at Antietam/Sharpsburg (though he was speaking on the field of another battle in that dreadful war):

"It is good that war is so terrible; we should grow too fond of it..."
--Robert E. Lee (speaking at Fredericksburg, I believe)

Looking forward to the second installment of this story!
-AJC
15 posted on 09/17/2004 4:25:20 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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It would be a lot to do in a short time. Someday I would like to visit the Fredricksburg/Chancellorsville area.


16 posted on 09/17/2004 5:16:04 AM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 17:
0879 Charles III [The Simple], king of France (893-923)
1271 Wenceslas II king of Bohemia & Poland (1278-1305)
1730 Friedrich WLGA von Steuben Prus/US inspector-general of Continental army ( Made them an army)
1774 Joseph Caspar Mezzofanti Cardinal/linguist (understood 70 languages)
1800 Franklin Buchanan Admiral (Confederate Navy), died in 1874
1819 Thomas Andrews Hendricks (D) 21st US VP; died in office
1819 Jean-Bernard-Lyon Foucault physicist (pendulum proved Earth rotates)
1820 Earle Van Dorn Major General (Confederate Army), died in 1863
1825 Lucius Quintus Cincinnatus Lamar MC (Confederacy), died in 1893
1857 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky pioneer in rocket & space research
1904 Frederick Ashton choreographer (Cinderella)
1907 Warren E Burger Minn, Supreme Court chief justice (1969-86)(Poe V Wade)
1921 Virgilio Barco Vargas president of Colombia (1986-90)

1923 Hank Williams country singer (Cold, Cold Heart, Hey Good Lookin')

1927 George Blanda Penn, NFL hall of famer (Bears, Oilers, Raiders)
1928 Roddy McDowall actor (Planet of the Apes, Lord Love a Duck)
1929 Stirling Moss race car driver
1930 Edgar Dean Mitchell Hereford Texas, Capt USN/astronaut (Apollo 14)
1930 Thomas P Stafford Weatherford Ok, USAF/astronaut (Gem 6 9, Ap 10 18)
1931 Anne Bancroft AKA Mrs Mel Brooks, Bronx, actress (Graduate)
1933 Charles Grassley (Sen-R-Iowa)
1934 Maureen "Little Mo" Connolly tennis, 1st woman grand slam (1953)
1934 Orlando Cepeda Giants player (NL MVP 1967)
1935 Ken Kesey author (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
1939 David Souter Weir NH, Supreme Court Justice (1990- )
1942 Beverly Aadland Hollywood Cal, Errol Flynn's last girlfriend
1947 Jeff MacNelly, political cartoonist, creator of the comic strip Shoe.
1948 John Ritter Burbank Calif, actor (Jack-3's Company, Hooperman)
1958 Daniel Nunez Cuba, weightlifter (Olympic-gold-1980)
1959 Hank Ilesic Edmonton, CFL punter, place kicker (Edmonton, Toronto)
1968 Suzy Cote Santa Barbara Calif, actress (Samantha-Guiding Light)




Deaths which occurred on September 17:
1179 Hildegard van Bingen, mystic/composer (Ordo Virtutum), dies at 81

1858 Dred Scott, US slave (Dred Scott v. Sandford), dies

1862 Lawrence O'Bryan Branch (Rep-D)/Confederate brig-general, dies at 41
1862 William Edwin Starke Conf brig-gen, dies in battle at about 48
1877 William Henry Fox Talbot photographic pioneer, dies at 77
1908 Thomas Selfridge earlier aviator, dies in an air crash
1948 Count Folke Bernadotte UN mediator for Palestine, assassinated in Jerusalem by Jewish extremists
1956 Mildred E "Babe" Didrikson Zaharias, (Olympic-gold-1932), dies at 42
1961 Adnan Menderes PM of Turkey (1950-60), dies at 62
1980 Anastasio Somoza Former Nicaraguan Pres assassinated in Paraguay
1984 Richard Basehart actor, dies at 70 following several strokes
1996 Former Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
1997 Red Skelton, comedian (Red Skelton Show), dies at 84


Reported: MISSING in ACTION
1965 KLENDA DEAN ALBERT MANHATTAN KS.
1966 LEETUN DAREL D. HETTINGER ND.
1967 GRUBB PETER A. SOUTH HAMPTON NY.
1967 NELLANS WILLIAM L. WARSAW IN.
1967 STAVAST JOHN EDWARD CLAREMONT CA.
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1967 VENANZI GERALD S. TRENTON NJ.
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE IN 98]
1968 DAVIS EDGAR F. GOLDSBORO NC.
1972 BUELL KENNETH R. KANKAKEE IL.
1972 DONNELLY VERNE G. MARYSVILLE CA.
[REM RETURNED ID'D 02/05/91]
1972 GOETSCH THOMAS AUGUST MEMPHIS TN.
1972 TUROSE MICHAEL STEPHEN PARMA OH.
1972 ZORN THOMAS ONEAL JR. WAYCROSS GA.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
0335 Church of Heilig Grave initiated in Jerusalem
0642 Arabs conquer Alexandria, great library destroyed
1394 Jews are expelled from France by order of King Charles VI
1584 Gent surrenders to duke of Parma
1595 Pope Clemens VIII recognizes Henri IV as king of France
1598 Netherland sailors discover Mauritius
1631 Battle of Breitenfeld: King Gustaaf Adolf defeats Gen Tilly
1683 Antonie van Leeuwenhoek reports existence of bacteria
1776 Presidio of SF forms as a Spanish fort

1787 US constitution adopted by Philadelphia convention

1789 William Herschel discovers Mimas, satellite of Saturn
1819 1st whaling ship arrives in Hawaii
1796 President George Washington -- having declined a third term -- delivered his farewell address in Philadelphia.
1859 Man in SF claims himself Norton I, emperor of America
1861 1st day school for freedmen forms at Fortress Monroe Virginia
1862 Battle of Cumberland Gap, TN-evacuted by Federals
1862 Battle of Mumfordville, KY-US Col J Wilder surrenders city
1862 Battle of Sharpsburg (Antietam)-bloodiest day in American history
1863 Pope Pius IX encyclical On persecution in New Grenada
1864 Grant approves Sheridan's plan for Shenandoah Valley Campaign ("I want it so barren that a crow, flying down it, would need to pack rations.")
1873 19 students attend opening class at Ohio State University
1901 Battle at Elands River Port: Boer Gen Smuts destroys the 17th Lancers
1902 US protests anti-semitism in Romania
1908 Thomas Selfridge becomes 1st fatality of powered flight
1911 1st transcontinental airplane flight, NY-Pasadena in 82 hrs 4 min
1920 National Football League organized in Canton Ohio
1922 Radio Moscow begins transmitting (12 KWs-most powerful station)
1928 Hurricane hits Lake Okeechobee Florida drowning 1,800-2500
1928 Pitcher Ray Boggs hits 3 batters in 1 inning
1934 1st 33 1/3 rpm recording released (Beethoven's 5th)
1937 1st NFL game in Washington, DC; Redskins beat NY Giants 13-3
1938 British premier Neville Chamberlain leaves Munich
1939 German U-29 sinks British aircraft carrier Courageous, 519 die

1939 Soviet Union invades Poland during WW II

1939 Poland's president Moscicki & PM Slawoj-Skladkowski flee to Romania
1943 Load of "ammunition in transit" explodes at Norfolk Naval Air Station
1944 British airborne troops parachute into Holland to capture the Arnhem bridge as part of Operation Market-Garden.
1947 James Forrestal sworn in as 1st US secretary of defense
1949 Steamer "Noronic" burns at pier killing 128 (Toronto Canada)

1952 "I am an American Day" & "Constituion Day" renamed "Citizenship Day"

1953 1st successful separation of Siamese twins
1953 Ernie Banks becomes Chicago Cubs 1st black player
1954 Heavyweight champ Rocky Marciano KOs Ezzard Charles in 8
1956 Black students enter Clay Ky elementary school
1956 Yanks clinch pennant #22 on Mantle's 50th homer of the year
1957 Scott Crossfield takes X-15 up for 1st powered flight
1957 2 male attorneys "stand in" as actress Sophia Loren & producer Carlo Ponti wed by proxy in Juarez, Mexico
1959 Typhoon kills 2,000 in Japan & Korea
1961 Minnesota Vikings' 1st NFL game (beat Chicago Bears 37-13)
1962 US space officials announce selection of 9 new astronauts
1963 "The Fugitive" premiers on ABC TV
1963 Train struck makeshift bus full of migrant workers, killing 32
1964 "Bewitched" premiers on ABC TV
1964 Mickey Mantle gets hits #1999, 2000 & 2001
1964 Supremes release "Baby Love"
1967 "Mission Impossible" premieres on CBS-TV
1967 New Orleans Saints 1st NFL game, they lose to LA Rams 27-13
1968 Zond 5 completes circumnavigation of the Moon
1972 "M*A*S*H," premiers on TV
1972 BART begins passenger service in SF
1974 Courageous (US) beats Southern Cross (Aust) in 23rd America's Cup
1975 Rollout of 1st space shuttle orbiter Enterprise (OV-101)
1976 NASA publicly unveils space shuttle Enterprise in Palmdale, Calif
1978 Begin, Sadat & Carter sign the Camp David accord

1980 Solidarity labor union in Poland forms

1983 Vanessa Williams of NY became 1st black Miss America
1984 Brian Mulroney sworn in as Canada's 18th PM succeeding John Turner
1984 Met's Dwight Goodin becomes 2nd to strikeout 32 over 2 cons games
1985 Soyuz T-14 carries 3 cosmonauts to Salyut 7 space station
1986 US Senate confirms William Rehnquist as 16th chief justice
1987 Phila celebrates 200th anniversary of the Constitution
1988 Jeff Reardon becomes 1st to record 40 or more saves in both AL & NL
1989 Hurricane Hugo begins 4 day sweep through Caribbean, killing 62
1989 NYC court of appeals overturns lower court decision & returns America's Cup back to the US (from New Zealand)
1990 Newspaper Guild votes 242-35 to keep NY Post publishing
1990 Soviet Union & Saudi Arabia restore diplomatic ties
1990 Defense Secretary Dick Cheney fired Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Dugan for "poor judgment" in publicly discussing U.S. bombing plans should war erupt with Iraq.
1991 North & South Korea joins the UN
2001 President Bush said Osama bin Laden, the suspected ringleader in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was "wanted dead or alive".
2002 President Bush asked Congress for authority to use force against Iraq.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Brundi : Victory of Uprona
US : Baron Frederick von Steuben Day (1730)
US : Citizenship Day (replaces Constitution Day) (1952)
US : Constitution Week Begins
Sea Cadet Month


Religious Observances
Anglican : St Lambert's Day
Ang, RC : Ember Day
RC : Commemoration of Impression of the Stigmata of St Francis
RC : Memorial of Robert Bellarmine, bishop & doctor (opt)


Religious History
1656 Massachusetts enacted severe laws against Quakers. (At the time, government and religion were intricately interwoven; the line between blasphemy and treason was virtually nonexistent; and non-sacramental Quakerism gave the impression that the denomination was anti-government.)
1717 The first synod of the Presbyterian Church in America met in Philadelphia.
1776 Along the western coast of North America, a party of 247 Spanish colonists consecrated their newly-founded mission, known as San Francisco.
1787 The U.S. Constitution -- ratified on this date -- contained the following code under Article 6, Section 3: 'No religious tests shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.'
1868 Birth of Walter Gowans, Canadian missions pioneer. In 1893 he helped found the Sudan Interior Mission in Toronto. Today, SIM works with African nationals and specializes in church planting, medicine and broadcasting.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"What soap is to the body, laughter is to the soul."


Things You Wouldn't Hear a Southerner Say...
I thought Graceland was tacky.


How Many Dogs Does it Take to Change Light Bulb?
Jack Russell Terrier: I'll just pop it in while I'm bouncing off the walls and furniture.


The Ultimate Scientific Dictionary...
Atomic Theory:
A mythological explanation of the nature of matter, first proposed by the ancient Greeks, and now thoroughly discredited by modern computer simulation. Attempts to verify the theory by modern computer simulation have failed. Instead, it has been demonstrated repeatedly that computer outputs depend upon the color of the programmer's eyes, or occasionally upon the month of his or her birth. This apparent astrological connection, at last, vindicates the alchemist's view of astrology as the mother of all science.


What's Your Business Astrological Sign?...
CUSTOMER SERVICE
Bright, cheery, positive, you are a fifty-cent cab ride from taking your own life. As children very few of you asked your parents for a little cubicle for your room and a headset so you could pretend to play Customer Service. Continually passed over for promotions, your best bet is to sleep with your manager.


17 posted on 09/17/2004 6:14:03 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; matthew; PhilDragoo; Samwise; Darksheare; radu; ...

Good morning everyone!

18 posted on 09/17/2004 6:26:50 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it

Antietam is a sacred place that in my mind ranks on par with Waterloo and Omaha Beach. Normally the guys that I do re-enactments with are a chatty bunch but it was real quiet in the van after we visited there.


19 posted on 09/17/2004 6:26:58 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (No good deed goes unpunished)
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To: joanie-f

Civil War ping


20 posted on 09/17/2004 6:36:09 AM PDT by snopercod (I'm on the "democrat diet". I only eat when the democrats say something good about America.)
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To: bentfeather; snippy_about_it; w_over_w; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; All

21 posted on 09/17/2004 6:44:34 AM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)
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To: Samwise

OMG!!! LOL!!

Good morning, Samwise!!


22 posted on 09/17/2004 6:56:24 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise
Good morning ladies. It's Friday!

Friday Foxhole FReeper Flag-o-gram.

Today's Foxhole flag is from

See your flag here! FReepmail me today.

23 posted on 09/17/2004 6:57:44 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey mister, Whuuuts dat dubya on yer kawr fer?)
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To: Samwise

ROFLMAO!!


24 posted on 09/17/2004 6:58:08 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey mister, Whuuuts dat dubya on yer kawr fer?)
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To: Professional Engineer

WOO HOO!! Good morning, PE!

LOL Love that graphic!


25 posted on 09/17/2004 7:13:39 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf

26 posted on 09/17/2004 7:15:19 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather.

It's "We miss Snippy and Sam" day 2.


27 posted on 09/17/2004 7:33:41 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey mister, Whuuuts dat dubya on yer kawr fer?)
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To: Professional Engineer

Boy PE, got that right!! We will prevail, however!


28 posted on 09/17/2004 7:35:38 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it; All
BATTLE of SHARPSBURG bump!

free dixie,duckie/sw

29 posted on 09/17/2004 8:32:06 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: snopercod
Thanks for the ping, John.

It's beautiful to watch, hypnotic and mesmerizing, but that's not why the people stand there for so long. They're staring at the grass but they're seeing something else, something that hasn't been there for 133 years. They seldom speak. When they do, it's usually in a hush, nothing loud enough to drown out the drone of the crickets.

This gave me a major, major lump in my throat.

The first time I visited Sharpsburg I remember thinking Even if I didn't come here knowing that this ground saw the bloodiest day in American history, I would somehow know it.

Other than at the Wilderness, there is a solemnity and a profound, indescribable sadness in that place that I've never experienced anywhere before.

The fact that Gettysburg sees six times as many tourists every year (I wasn't aware of that until reading this) is so sad, and so unfortunate. Outside of the battlefield itself (at least that part which hasn't been lost to commercialism), Gettysburg retains very little of the Civil War era pristine-ness.

Sharpsburg is an entirely different story. Stepping onto the battlefield there, one is instantaneously transported back 140 years. It is still pristine. Still quiet. Hallowed by nature and time. It has a mid-nineteenth century 'battle aura'. Then tears inevitably come without warning.

At Sharpsburg, much more than at Gettysburg (for which these words were written), I am always reminded of Joshua Chamberlain’s eloquence:

In great deeds something abides. On great fields something stays. Forms change and pass; bodies disappear; but spirits linger, to consecrate ground for the vision-place of souls. And reverent men and women from afar, and generations that know us not and that we know not of, heart-drawn to see where and by whom great things were suffered and done for them, shall come to this deathless field, to ponder and dream; and lo! The shadow of a mighty presence shall wrap them in its bosom, and the power of the vision shall pass into their souls.

A (far less eloquent :) aside: My three sisters and I (I am the oldest of four girls) are going away on our annual 'sisters' weekend' tonight. (We plan an outing together once a year). This year we decided to simply 'get away' at a friend's cabin upstate for a three-day weekend. We will spend the weekend hiking, swimming in the creek, mountain biking, shooting (three of us enjoy target shooting … the fourth just watches), and just 'hanging out' together.

Because three of the sisters enjoy live rock band music (guess who the odd gal out is :), we have agreed to go to a club in a nearby town tomorrow night (I'll probably bring a book :). But, in order to be fair, they offered to drive four hours north to Fort Ticonderoga, NY on Sunday for me.

It got me to thinking. I have visited every major Civil War battlefield at least once but, other than Valley Forge which is just a hop, skip and jump from our home, I don’t believe I've ever visited any historical Revolutionary War battlefields or encampments (she hangs her head in shame). Sometimes we become so focused on one aspect of our history (for me it's always been the Civil War) that we neglect to take a look at other eras that had just as much, if not more, of an effect on the shaping of our country. I'm looking forward, belatedly, to taking at least a first tiny step toward remedying that on Sunday. :)

(Official end of rambling ... and none too soon ... :)

~ joanie

30 posted on 09/17/2004 9:10:22 AM PDT by joanie-f (I've been called a princess, right down to my glass sneakers and enchanted sweatpants.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Thanks Snippy. Yet another part of history you are bringing to life for me.


31 posted on 09/17/2004 9:53:28 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey mister, Whuuuts dat dubya on yer kawr fer?)
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To: bentfeather; Samwise; Darksheare; Valin

OK folks, time to get chatty.


32 posted on 09/17/2004 10:01:39 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey mister, Whuuuts dat dubya on yer kawr fer?)
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To: Professional Engineer; Samwise; Darksheare; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Well, I you wish you may go here- I just wrote and posted this poem. :-)




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1210354/posts?page=230#230


33 posted on 09/17/2004 10:05:58 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: bentfeather

Sheesh

I you wish=If you wish

preview does not catch things like this. LOL


34 posted on 09/17/2004 10:27:18 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: bentfeather

LOL I guessed your intent.


35 posted on 09/17/2004 10:45:41 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey mister, Whuuuts dat dubya on yer kawr fer?)
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To: Professional Engineer

hehehehehehehehe


36 posted on 09/17/2004 10:50:00 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: SAMWolf

Hi Sam,

Once in a while in years past I used to share some jokes with you, LOL, I don't think I should bring them out now!!

LOL


37 posted on 09/17/2004 10:51:39 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: joanie-f
Visiting a place like Sharpsburg, you can understand how some cultures and some people believe in spirits. Joshua Chamberlain was right. Something does stay in places like that.

Aside: We've been on generator power since last night due to the remnants of hurricane Ivan blowing down trees on power lines all over the county. Our house was spared any damage, but a couple of big trees just missed the house when they fell.

My wife and I went out in the rain at first light and cut up a big oak tree that had fallen across our access road. We were trapped!

Isn't it amazing that we "mountain people" seem to be able to recover from a big storm without FEMA </sarcasm>

Oh, and regarding my tagline, Zell Miller saved me ;-)

38 posted on 09/17/2004 11:00:00 AM PDT by snopercod (I'm on the "democrat diet". I only eat when the democrats say something good about America.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Oh man. I just heard about the Pensacola Naval Base. That is heartbreaking. We love to vacation there. Hubby and the Lass love the naval base. Every building is damaged. I hope they can save the stuff in the museum.

When we were vacationing last year, there was a tropical storm. It convinced us that we never want to be in a hurricane. The wind was weird. When the wind blows here, it blows and stops. It gusts. This wind was constant. The water blew in around the windows. It was cool watching the storm move in on us from our room. Cool, but scary.

I never want to see a hurricane.
39 posted on 09/17/2004 11:43:35 AM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)
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To: joanie-f

Thank you for a very eloquent and moving post.


40 posted on 09/17/2004 12:02:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("medals, ribbons, we threw away the symbols of what our country gave us and I'm proud of that")
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Samwise
Reporting for duty (and I actually know how to do a hand salute)!

What a terrible but important day in our history.

I wish some of the liberals who spew hatred and division would reflect on the Civil War and what happens when we become a house divided against itself.

41 posted on 09/17/2004 12:10:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("medals, ribbons, we threw away the symbols of what our country gave us and I'm proud of that")
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To: afnamvet; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Pinging a new FReeper FRiend to this great thread to check it out.


42 posted on 09/17/2004 12:12:06 PM PDT by Jen (I know war heroes and John Kerry is not one of them.)
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To: Samwise; IPWGOP; Registered; Steven W.

Someone with artistic talent should take that cartoon and modify it into one of the FReeper "pajamahadeen" (credit to FReeper Steven W for that hillarious term) shoving her (or his) foot up John Kerry's bunny-suited butt.

43 posted on 09/17/2004 12:20:32 PM PDT by Jen (I know war heroes and John Kerry is not one of them.)
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To: SAMWolf

Don't forget to catch a ghost for Samwise Jr. We tried, but no luck.

The next time we're there, we're gonna stay at the Farnsworth House. Booooooo!


44 posted on 09/17/2004 1:45:37 PM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)
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To: Jen

I love the "pajama people" label. :^)


45 posted on 09/17/2004 1:46:18 PM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)
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To: colorado tanker
a house divided against itself

I hope it never gets that bad again. I confess to muttering that we should just divide the country and let the loonies have half.

46 posted on 09/17/2004 1:52:56 PM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Today's classic warship, USS Casper (PF-12)

Tacoma class patrol frigate

Displacement. 1,264
Lenght. 303'11"
Beam. 37'8"
Draft. 13'8"
Speed. 20 k.
Complement. 190
Armament. 3 3"; 2 40mm; 9 20mm; 1 hedgehog; 8 Y-gun depth charge projectors; 2 depth charge racks

USS Casper (PF-12) was launched 27 December 1943 by Kaiser Cargo Co., Richmond, Calif., under a Maritime Commission contract; sponsored by Mrs. E. J. Spaulding; commissioned 31 March 1944, Lieutenant Commander F. J. Scheiber, USCG, in command; and reported to the Western Sea Frontier.

Casper sailed from San Francisco 30 September 1944 for a weather patrol out of Seattle returning to San Francisco 6 November. From this base, she operated as plane guard, and on weather patrol, performing these vital functions between the mainland and Pearl Harbor. During the organizing conference of the United Nations at San Francisco, which began 25 April 1945, Casper made two security patrols off the Farallon Islands.

Casper cleared San Francisco 4 April 1946 for Charleston, S.C., where she was decommissioned 16 May 1946. The patrol escort was sold for scrap 20 May 1947.

47 posted on 09/17/2004 2:04:29 PM PDT by aomagrat (Where arms are not to be carried, it is well to carry arms.")
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To: bentfeather

Afternoon Feather. Been gone all day sightseeing.


48 posted on 09/17/2004 2:44:19 PM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: Lee Heggy

Snippy and I just got back from Antietam Battlefield.

It rained on and off all day. The Cornfield and Bloody Lane were awe inspiring. We walked the lenght of Bloody Lane and just thinking of the numbers of men who fought and died there boggles the mind. Very somber experience. We stood on both sides of Burnside bridge and it's easy to see how the Georgians could hold off attacks all afternoon. Great defensive postion. Looking at it from the Union side makes you wonder how men could keep charging across that bridge and up the ridge. Just unbelievable!

Well worth the visit even though we brought back a lot of Maryland rain in our clothes.


49 posted on 09/17/2004 2:50:14 PM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: Samwise

LOL, Samwise


50 posted on 09/17/2004 2:50:52 PM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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