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Revisionist History: What If the South Had Won the Civil War? (Editorial)
Spetember 26, 2004
| Gary L. Livacari
Posted on 09/26/2004 8:41:19 AM PDT by GaryL
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Any Civil War revisionists out there? I'd appreciate hearing your comments! Thanks
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posted on
09/26/2004 8:41:19 AM PDT
by
GaryL
To: GaryL
I take it you've never heard of Harry Turtledove's books on this. There a whole series of alternate history about this very thing.
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posted on
09/26/2004 8:44:52 AM PDT
by
Brian Mosely
(A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned http://spinswimming.blogspot.com)
To: GaryL
Alternate History BUMP for later reading and comment.
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posted on
09/26/2004 8:45:42 AM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
To: GaryL
Well Gary, I might allow as how it would have been better if the war had not been fought. Better if there had been no occupation of the South with its attendant corruption, and suppression. Better if emancipation had occured through evolution rather than invasion. Better if the constitution had not been shredded, so that the South could not even claim that, although it lost the war, it had preserved its principles, apart from slavery.
By the way, I will add "total decimation" to my list of oxymorons.
To: stainlessbanner
To: GaryL
What If the South Had Won the Civil War? We'd be paying taxes to Richmond instead of Washington.
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posted on
09/26/2004 9:51:53 AM PDT
by
lowbridge
(I wouldn't want to be a liberals caps lock key on election day)
To: Brian Mosely
Harry Turtledove's books
Turtledove fan here.
Glad he's continuing The Great War series and dropped Worldwar. Read Settling Accounts: Return Engagement yet?
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posted on
09/27/2004 7:37:45 AM PDT
by
Mike Fieschko
("How dare you question my [^.*$]. Did you know I served in the Clone Wars?")
To: GaryL
If the South had won the civil war, there would have been another war in about 10 years' time.
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posted on
09/27/2004 7:38:46 AM PDT
by
r9etb
To: GaryL
A similar outcome could have happened if George Mcclellan had won the presidential election of 1864. Mcclellan, a Democrat, campaigned against Lincoln on a peace platform that would have readmitted the Southern States to the Union and would have given the South until 1900 to gradually phase out slavery. The North was weary of the war at that time, and Mcclellan came within a hairs breadth of winning that election.
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posted on
09/30/2004 10:11:27 AM PDT
by
DJ Taylor
To: r9etb
If the South had won the civil war, there would have been another war in about 10 years' time.No need for further speculation, that wraps it up.
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posted on
09/30/2004 10:25:01 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: shuckmaster; Aurelius; Tauzero; JoeGar; stainlessbanner; Intimidator; ThJ1800; SelfGov; Triple; ...
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posted on
09/30/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT
by
sheltonmac
("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
To: sheltonmac; HenryLeeII
As a conservative who longs for limited government and the ideals of the Constitution, I am not ashamed to speculate that quite possibly we would have a better world today had the South won the Civil War. Maybe Im dreaming, but I think limited government, personal freedom, and higher degrees of racial harmony are what wed be experiencing.Bump.
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posted on
09/30/2004 11:06:00 AM PDT
by
4CJ
(Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
To: GaryL
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posted on
09/30/2004 11:10:47 AM PDT
by
A2J
(Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
To: 4ConservativeJustices
You done gone and dunnit now! Non-sequitur and his band of brothers are gonna bombard this thread now with 6,000 replies on the oppressive qualities of the Confeddyrit gub'mint while singin' for the Choir Immaculate over the angelic virtues of Lincoln! Hell, we're good fer 3,000 replies on tariffs alone. Now why you done gone and done this fer? Don'tch ye know the CSA had a draft? Dont'ch ye know they collected taxes? It don't matter that tharr was a war on, #3Fan will tell you that!
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posted on
09/30/2004 11:16:50 AM PDT
by
HenryLeeII
(sultan88, R.I.P.)
To: HenryLeeII
bump to keep an eye on this one
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posted on
09/30/2004 11:20:16 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive.)
To: HenryLeeII
Wouldn't doubt it. They managed to get one thread deleted when #3fan went ballistic. Another was locked for a week or so, unlocked, and is now locked again. Sigh.
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posted on
09/30/2004 11:20:37 AM PDT
by
4CJ
(Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
To: 4ConservativeJustices
Heck, furrgit the fact that the Suth'ron states tried an' in-voke they's 10th Amendamint rights, but the gub'mint demanded that they citizens done pay taxes! That alone warr'rinted invasion by the peaceable soldiers of Mr. Lincoln's army! Didn't #3 Fan or anyone tell you that?!?!
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posted on
09/30/2004 1:57:41 PM PDT
by
HenryLeeII
(sultan88, R.I.P.)
To: Mike Fieschko
Great book. I love the great war series. Though his best recent books (IMO) have been Ruled Britania (Shakespeare! And alternate history! What more could you want?) and In the Presence of Mine Enemies, both stand-alones.
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posted on
09/30/2004 1:59:38 PM PDT
by
JenB
To: HenryLeeII
Didn't #3 Fan or anyone tell you that?!?!'nother wun told me that Lincoln shulda wiped out all southerners. Them's fightin' words!
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posted on
09/30/2004 2:09:13 PM PDT
by
4CJ
(Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
To: GaryL
as REVISIONISM/revisionist historiography is a EXTREME LEFTIST heresy, out of the most extreme, southHATING, socialist (some would say communist) wing of northeastern,elitist academia,of traditional scholarship i'd be astounded to learn that ANY revisionists are on FR.
btw, traditional scholars are either PRO-southern or NEUTRAL.
free dixie,sw
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posted on
10/01/2004 8:05:50 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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