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The FReeper Foxhole Reviews "The Myth of the 5 Dead Rebel Generals" - October 30th, 2004
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Posted on 10/30/2004 12:06:05 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.



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The Myth of the 5 Dead Rebel Generals




They were killed at Franklin, all right, but it's not true that all five were laid out on the same porch.
by Col. Campbell H. Brown


General John B. Hood on November 30, 1864, launched one of his typically ill-considered attacks on the Federal entrenched position at Franklin, Tennessee. Stanley Horn writes: "...in the last two hours of the day... the combat was waged with a maniacal desperation witnessed on no other field of the war." The Confederates suffered a staggering loss--four times as great as that of Pickett at Gettysburg. In no other battle were so many general officers put out of action: for the Confederates, twelve, of whom five were killed outright and one mortally wounded.

Historians have claimed that after the battle the bodies of Major General Patrick R. Cleburne and Brigadier Generals John Adams, states Rights Gist, Hiram B. Granbury, and Otho F. Strahl were brought in from the bloody field and laid out side by side on the small porch of "Carnton," ancestral McGavock home.


Major General Patrick Ronayne Cleburne


John R. Peacock of High Point, North Carolina, by sound reasoning and the use of a hitherto unpublished source, now concludes that this widely accepted story is not altogether correct. It is true that there were five bodies on Mrs. John McGavock's porch, and three of them were generals: Cleburne, Granbury, and Strahl. The others were Colonel R. B. Young, General Granbury's chief of staff, and Lieutenant John H. Marsh, aide to General Strahl. The five bodies were removed, probably on 1 or 2 December, to Columbia and a day later were interred in Rose Hill Cemetery.


Brigadier General John Adams


Major General Lucius J. Polk, former adjutant general of Tennessee, was outraged when he heard that the five heroes had been buried in that portion of the cemetery set aside as a potters' field for the interment of criminals and indigents. With the aid of Chaplain Charles t. Quintard he had the five officers disinterred and moved to the cemetery of St. John's Church near his home at Ashwood. Later three were again moved to cemeteries at their homes; but the bodies of Young and Marsh still rest at St. John's. Brigadier General Arthur H. Manigault, also a casualty of Franklin, was likewise carried to Polk's home, Hamilton Place, but he survived.


Brigadier General States Rights Gist


Brigadier General John Adams, a native of Nashville, had married a girl at Pulaski. Consequently when he fell at Franklin the sorrowing members of his brigade took him in a wagon to Pulaski, where he was buried on December 1. As Mr. Peacock points out, there was scarcely time for a stopover on McGavock's porch en route. Thomas R. Markham, chaplain of Featherston's brigade, averred, however, that Adams, who was killed at the moment of crossing the Federal barricade, was picked up in an ambulance and taken to the McGavock home.


Brigadier General Hiram B. Granbury


Wiley Howard, body servant to General Gist, gave an account to a biographer of the Gist family in which he says that he searched the field for the body of the general, who he had been told had fallen. He found Gist, who had died at 8:30 p.m. at the brigade field hospital, which had been set up near the home of Judge White (still standing at 724 Fair Street in Franklin). With the help of the brigade surgeon he secured a cedar box as a coffin, which he loaded into an ambulance. He drove to Mrs. White's front door and begged permission to bury the general in the White family cemetery. Mrs. White had the body brought into her parlor, and summoned a minister who held a funeral attended by officers and men from Georgia and South Carolina troops of Gist's brigade. The remains were then buried in the family cemetery. As the army passed back through Franklin after its defeat at Nashville, Wiley or some member of Gist's staff disinterred the body and shipped it to Columbia, South Carolina, where it was buried under a big cedar tree (which I remember) in the family plot in Trinity Churchyard, near the State House.


Brigadier General Otho F. Strahl


Thus, although in war the bodies of the fallen usually receive only temporary field burial and for various reasons become "unknown" dead, in this case the dead generals did receive proper care, and their resting places are known today.






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Note from Snippy: With a name like States Rights Gist, I decided I would have to do a thread on him alone. Hopefully I will accomplish that for Sunday's thread.

Today's Educational Sources and suggestions for further reading:

www.thehistorynet.com
www.civilwaralbum.com/misc/franklin16.htm
1 posted on 10/30/2004 12:06:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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2 posted on 10/30/2004 12:08:09 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Here are the recommended holiday mailing dates for military mail this year:

For military mail addressed TO APO and FPO addresses, the mailing dates are:

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For military mail FROM APO and FPO addresses, the mailing dates are:

Thanks for the information StayAt HomeMother



Veterans for Constitution Restoration is a non-profit, non-partisan educational and grassroots activist organization.





Actively seeking volunteers to provide this valuable service to Veterans and their families.

Thanks to quietolong for providing this link.

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3 posted on 10/30/2004 12:08:35 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

You just have to love a guy named "States Rights". :-)

Good Night Snippy.


4 posted on 10/30/2004 12:10:40 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: SAMWolf

Sure do. Wait till you see the thread on him. Very interesting.

Good night Sam.


5 posted on 10/30/2004 12:16:39 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Looking forward to it. :-)


6 posted on 10/30/2004 12:19:09 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; JulieRNR21; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; Cinnamon Girl; Alamo-Girl; Bigg Red; ..
Hiya Kids .... haven't read the thread yet ... just wanted to stick my head in and say .... BOO!!!

HAVE A GOOD (AND SAFE) WEEKEND!!!

And don't forget to VOTE!!!!!!

±

"The Era of Osama lasted about an hour, from the time the first plane hit the tower to the moment the General Militia of Flight 93 reported for duty."
Toward FREEDOM

7 posted on 10/30/2004 1:25:25 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


8 posted on 10/30/2004 2:04:35 AM PDT by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.

DST ends at 2 AM tonight. Be sure to set your clocks back one hour.

9 posted on 10/30/2004 3:04:29 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning, Snippy.

Another good article this morning. I've forwarded it to our U.D.C. president. We've used several of your articles for our history program over the years. Thank you for all your good information.


10 posted on 10/30/2004 4:41:48 AM PDT by Humal
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Good morning, folks. Such a tragedy, Franklin ... General Hood was all guts, no brains, I'm afraid.


11 posted on 10/30/2004 6:37:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have an inflammatory, divisive, elitist, uber-right-wing, hillbilly political agenda.)
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To: snippy_about_it

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on October 30:
1391 Eduard [Dom Duarte], King of Portugal (1433-38)
1735 John Adams Braintree, Mass (F) 2nd pres (1797-1801)
1751 Richard Brinsley Sheridan playwright (School for Scandal)
1807 James Samuel Wadsworth Bvt Major General (Union volunteers)
1821 Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoevski Russian novelist & short-story writer
1830 John S Bowen Major-General (Confederate)
1873 Francisco Madero Mexico, revolutionary, president (1911-13)
1882 William "Bull" F Halsey, US vice-admiral (WW II Pacific)
1885 Ezra Pound Hailey, Idaho, poet (Cantos)
1893 Charles Atlas body builder
1896 Ruth Gordon Mass, actress (Rosemary's Baby, Harold & Maude)
1914 Marion Ladewig Mich, bowler (9 time woman bowler of year 1950-63)
1918 Ted Williams Red Sox hitter (AL MVP '46, '49; Triple Crown '42, '47)
1919 Jane Randolph singer, backup for Tony Orlando (Dawn)
1924 Hannelore Weygrand German FR, equestrian dressage (Oly-silver-1956)
1931 Dick Gautier LA Calif, actor (Hymie-Get Smart, Mr Terrific)
1936 Jim Perry pitcher (Cy Young Award 1970)
1937 Claude Lelouch movie director (A Man & A Woman, Cat & Mouse, Bolero)
1939 Grace Slick Chicago, rock vocalist (Jefferson Airplane-White Rabbit)
1940 Ed Lauter Long Beach NY, actor (Sheriff Cain-BJ & the Bear)
1945 Henry Winkler NYC, actor (Fonz-Happy Days, Night Shift)
1946 Andrea Mitchell NYC, newscaster (NBC-TV, Summer Sunday USA)
1946 Robert L "Hoot" Gibson Cooperstown NY, USN/ast (STS 41B, 61C, 27)
1951 Harry Hamlin Pasadena Calif, actor (Michael Kuzak-LA Law)
1957 Aleksandr I Lazutkin Russian cosmonaut
1965 Charnele Brown East Hampton NY, actress (Kim-A Different World)
1969 Brittany Gae Thompson Portland Oregon, Miss Oregon-America (1991)



Deaths which occurred on October 30:
1583 Pirro Ligorio, Italian architect/painter/archaeologist, dies at 83
1611 Karl IX King of Sweden (1604-11), dies
1632 Henri de Montmorency, French duke/plotter, beheaded
1893 Sir John Abbott PM of Canada (C) (1891-92), dies at 72
1984 Mario Gallo actor (Delvecchio), dies at 61
1985 Kirby Grant Hoon Jr., Butte Mont, actor (Sky King), dies in an auto accident at 74
1988 John Houseman, actor (Paper Chase), dies at 86
1991 William Shea (Shea Stadium namesake), dies at 84
1995 Terry Southern, writer (Candy, The Magic Christian), dies at 71
1997 Sam Fuller, director/writer (Big Red One), dies at 86
2000 Steve Allen comedian, television host, author and composer dies of a heart attack in Encino, Calif., at age 78.


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1965 PAGE JASPER N.---HATTIESBURG MS.
[11/04/65 ESCAPED 1ST OUT OF SVN/ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1973 SAKAMOTO HIDEAKO---JAPAN
[RELEASED 01/30/74]

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
0701 John VI begins his reign as Catholic Pope
1270 8th & last crusade is launched
1485 King Henry VII Tudor crowned, after defeating the forces of King Richard III at Bosworth Field
1534 English Parliament passes Act of Supremacy, making King Henry VIII head of the English church
1864 Helena, Montana's capital, founded
1866 Jesse James gang robs bank in Lexington Missouri ($2000)
1888 1st ballpoint pen patented
1905 "October Manifesto" Russian Tsar Nicholas II grants civil liberties
1914 Allied offensive at Ypres (Belgium) begins
1917 British govt gives final approval to Balfour Declaration
1918 Slovakia asks for creation of Czechoslovakian state
1918 Turkey signs an armistice with the Allies, agreeing to end hostilities at noon, October 31
1919 Baseball league presidents call for abolishment of the spitball
1922 Mussolini forms cabinet in Italy
1925 KUT-AM in Austin TX begins radio transmissions
1930 Turkey & Greece sign a treaty of friendship
1938 Orson Welles panics a nation with broadcast of "War of the Worlds"
1939 USSR & Germany agree on partitioning Poland
1941 The U.S. destroyer Reuben James, on convoy duty off Iceland, is sunk by a German U-boat with the loss of 96 Americans.
1944 Anne Frank (of Diary fame) is deported from Auschwitz to Belsen
1944 Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring," premieres in Wash DC
1945 US government announces end of shoe rationing
1948 20 die & 6,000 made ill by smog in Donora Pennsylvania
1953 Dr Albert Schweitzer & Gen George C Marshall win Nobel Peace Prize
1954 Defense Department announces elimination of all segregated regiments
1956 Israel captures Egyptian militay post at El-Thamad
1961 Soviet Party Congress unanimously approves a resolution removing Josef Stalin's body from Lenin's tomb in Red Square
1961 Soviet Union tests a 58 megaton hydrogen bomb
1967 USSR Kosmos 186 & 188 make 1st automatic docking & Venmera 13 launch
1972 Worst US rail accident in 14 years; 45 die in Chicago
1973 Tom Seaver becomes 1st non-20-game winner to win Cy Young award
1974 Muhammad Ali KOs George Foreman in 8th round in Kinshasa, Zaire
1975 Juan Carlos assumes power in Spain
1975 NY Daily News runs headline "Ford to City: Drop Dead"
1976 Jane Pauley becomes news co-anchor of the Today Show
1976 Rev Joseph Evans elected president of the United Church of Christ
1979 NASA launches space vehicle S-203
1980 Honduras & El Salvador settle their boundary dispute
1980 NASA launches Flt Satcom-4
1985 22nd Space Shuttle Mission (61-A)-Challenger 9-launched
1986 Discovery moves to OPF where more than 200 modification are made
1988 2 gambling clubs & 1 player share 61.38 M California lotto jackpot
1988 NY Jets finally beat Pittsburgh Steelers for 1st time
1991 Mid East peace conference begins in Madrid Spain
1996 Michael Kahoe, who ran the FBI's violent crime division, pleaded guilty to obstructing justice, admitting he destroyed a report which detailed FBI misconduct in the 1992 Idaho standoff that killed Randy Weaver's wife and teenage son at Ruby Ridge..
1996 After a four-hour trial, a Chinese court sentenced pro-democracy activist Wang Dan to 11 years in prison for "conspiring to subvert the Chinese government." (Wang was freed in April 1998 and sent into exile in the United States.)


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Bhutan : Descending Day of Lord Buddha from Heaven.
Italian-American Heritage and Culture Month
National Save Your Back Week Ends
National Pizza Month


Religious Observances
Unification Church : Children's Day
Christ : Feast of St Alphonsus, after being refused as a Jesuit novice
Feast of St. Serapion, Bishop and confessor.


Religious History
1536 Thirteen years after Lutheran ministers came to bring spiritual renewal to its people, Denmark adopted Lutheranism as its official state religion.
1738 English founder of Methodism John Wesley explained in a letter: 'By a "Christian," I mean one who so believes in Christ as that sin hath no more dominion over him.'
1768 The Wesley Chapel on John Street in New York City was dedicated. It was the first Methodist church building to be erected in the American colonies, and was restored in 1817, and again in 1840.
1902 Pope Leo XIII published the apostolic letter "Vigilantiae," which officially established the Pontifical Commission of Biblical Studies. Created to safeguard the authority of Scripture from outside secular criticism, in 1904 the Commission was empowered to confer academic degrees.
1976 Dr. Joseph H. Evans was elected president of the United Church of Christ. It made him the first African-American leader of this predominantly white denomination.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"Bittersweet October. The mellow, messy, leaf-kicking, perfect pause between the opposing miseries of summer and winter."


Childrens Impression of Love...
HOW CAN YOU TELL IF TWO ADULTS EATING DINNER AT A RESTAURANT ARE IN LOVE?

"Just see if the man picks up the check. That's how you can tell if he's in love." (John, 9)

"Lovers will just be staring at each other and their food will get cold. Other people care more about the food." (Brad, 8)

"It's love if they order one of those desserts that are on fire. They like to order those because it's just like how their hearts are...on fire." (Christine, 9)


Children's stories that never made it...
The Attention Deficit Disorder Association's Book of Wild
Animals of North Amer-Hey! Let's Go Ride Our Bikes!


Handy Latin Phrases...
Illiud Latine dici non potest.
You can't say that in Latin.


Redefining the English language
Coffee (n.)
A person who is coughed upon


12 posted on 10/30/2004 6:51:01 AM PDT by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Valin

Birthdays of John Adams and Bull Halsey. A red-letter day!


13 posted on 10/30/2004 7:04:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have an inflammatory, divisive, elitist, uber-right-wing, hillbilly political agenda.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; manna
Howdy y'all Bump for the Foxhole

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

14 posted on 10/30/2004 7:32:04 AM PDT by alfa6 (Meeting: an event where minutes are kept and hours are lost.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; Matthew Paul; PhilDragoo; Samwise; radu; ...

Good Saturday morning everyone.

15 posted on 10/30/2004 7:40:23 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: snippy_about_it

We all new States Rights were dead. I didn't know they had a tombstone.


16 posted on 10/30/2004 7:40:40 AM PDT by Samwise (Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
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To: SAMWolf; Professional Engineer

Do you guys know anything about this site? Hubby wants to do the two weeks free.

http://www.flyaceshigh.com/


17 posted on 10/30/2004 7:44:32 AM PDT by Samwise (Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
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To: Samwise

ROTFLOL. Now that's priceless.


18 posted on 10/30/2004 8:05:21 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
Children's stories that never made it...
The Attention Deficit Disorder Association's Book of Wild Animals of North Amer-Hey! Let's Go Ride Our Bikes!


Otherwise known as SAM. ;-)
19 posted on 10/30/2004 8:10:36 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeek! Ya skeered me!


20 posted on 10/30/2004 8:11:21 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Aeronaut

Good morning Aeronaut. Hope your travels were pleasant.


21 posted on 10/30/2004 8:12:15 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.

Thanks for the "fall back" reminder.


22 posted on 10/30/2004 8:13:12 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Humal

Good morning Humal.

Thanks so much for your encouraging words. Everytime we hear about our threads being used for teaching it makes us extremely proud of what we do here.


23 posted on 10/30/2004 8:16:33 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Tax-chick
General Hood was all guts, no brains, I'm afraid.

He didn't always seem to be that way, but in war it only takes once if you're not on the ball. From what I've learned here in the Foxhole I expect his failure at Franklin had to do with his downhill spiral after the loss of his limbs and the pain he was in.

For Hood to have gone on commanding was both worthy and at the same time sad because he put the troops at risk and they all paid dearly.

24 posted on 10/30/2004 8:28:17 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Samwise

I have run across some "chatter" regards that website on a couple of the aviation newsgroups. Cutthroat and addicitng would be two of the main comments as I recall.

I will have to see if I can reactivate some memory banks to be more specific.

PS don't hold your breath :-)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


25 posted on 10/30/2004 8:31:27 AM PDT by alfa6 (Meeting: an event where minutes are kept and hours are lost.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I should have added "in this case"! Earlier in the war, and at a lower level of command, Hood's single-minded aggressiveness was useful. Have you read James Lee Burke's In the Electric Mist with Confederate Dead? General Hood has a very interesting role!

Jefferson Davis' selection of leaders in the West was such a disaster from start to finish!

26 posted on 10/30/2004 8:32:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have an inflammatory, divisive, elitist, uber-right-wing, hillbilly political agenda.)
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To: alfa6

Thanks!

***marking for hubby***


27 posted on 10/30/2004 8:33:04 AM PDT by Samwise (Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 10/30/2004 8:37:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: alfa6

Howdy back atcha!


29 posted on 10/30/2004 8:39:07 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bentfeather

Good morning feather.


30 posted on 10/30/2004 8:39:26 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Tax-chick
I should have added "in this case"!

I knew you knew that! Thanks for the book recommendation, the title makes it sound very interesting.

31 posted on 10/30/2004 8:41:40 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All

October 30, 2004

You Won't Get Away With It!

Read: Galatians 6:1-9

Our transgressions are multiplied before You, and our sins testify against us. —Isaiah 59:12

Bible In One Year: Jeremiah 20-21; 2 Timothy 4


A group of students at Renaissance High School in Detroit decided to cut classes to attend a rock concert in Hart Plaza. They felt they had gotten away with it, but the next day when The Detroit News appeared on the newsstand, it carried a color photo of the concert—right there on the front page. And who was in that picture? That's right—the delinquent students of Renaissance High, easily recognizable by anyone.

The Bible teaches that we cannot hide our iniquities. Oh, we may be able to cover them up for a while and even get away with them for an extended period of time. But the day will inevitably come when we must face up to them, either in this world or in the next. Paul told the Galatians, "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap" (Galatians 6:7).

Perhaps you have some secret sin that you are hiding. If so, I urge you to confess and forsake it. Or maybe you are gradually being drawn into a situation that you know is wrong and you're tempted to pursue it, thinking you won't get caught. Then I plead with you to go no further. Your picture may not appear on the front page of a newspaper, but the Bible says you won't get away with it! —Dave Egner

The sinful things that we may do
Are often hid from human view,
But judgment day will bring to light
Those things that we have not made right. —D. De Haan

The seeds of wrongdoing may be sown in secret, but the crop cannot be concealed.

32 posted on 10/30/2004 9:16:38 AM PDT by The Mayor (The more attracted we are to Christ, the less we'll be distracted by the world.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Morning Neil.

That reminds me, have to get some goodies for the Trick or Treaters.


33 posted on 10/30/2004 10:03:26 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Aeronaut

Welcome back Aeronaut. How was the trip?


34 posted on 10/30/2004 10:03:54 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: E.G.C.

Morning E.G.C. We've been having the sun pop in and out all morning, it can't make up it's mind whether to be a rainy day or a sunny day.


35 posted on 10/30/2004 10:04:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Humal; snippy_about_it
I've forwarded it to our U.D.C. president. We've used several of your articles for our history program over the years. Thank you for all your good information.

Thanks Humal. Now I have to get Snippy's feet back on the ground. ;-)

36 posted on 10/30/2004 10:06:11 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Tax-chick

History Channel just did a segment on Franklin. Tragedy is a good word. They just kept throwing troops into straight frontal attacks.


37 posted on 10/30/2004 10:08:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: SAMWolf

I've been to the site, the house, the cemetery ... thinking about it makes me want to cry, but my nose would run!


38 posted on 10/30/2004 10:10:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have an inflammatory, divisive, elitist, uber-right-wing, hillbilly political agenda.)
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To: Valin
1882 William "Bull" F Halsey, US vice-admiral (WW II Pacific)

"Halsey's bellicose slogan was 'Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill more Japs.' His 'bloodthirstiness' was not just a put-on to gain headlines. He strongly believed that by denigrating the enemy he was counteracting the myth of Japanese martial superiority . . . '

"Halsey's racial slurs made him a symbol of combative leadership, a vocal Japanese-hater . . . "

"Halsey was not an intellectual. His official reports were written in commonplace language. His speeches and private correspondence reveal that he often thought in cliches, that his vocabulary was narrow and that he had difficulty with syntax. His letters confirm his contempt for the Japanese in locker-room jargon . . . "

"Halsey had the knack of appointing extremely intelligent officers to his staff, on whom he relied for decision- making. On only rare occasions did he overrule them. 'Admiral Halsey's strongest point,' wrote a staff officer, 'was his superb leadership. While always the true professional and exacting professional performance from all subordinates, he had a charismatic effect on them which was like being touched by a a magic wand. Anyone so touched was determined to excel."

[From "Fleet Admiral William F. Halsey Jr" by James E. Merrill]

39 posted on 10/30/2004 10:12:52 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: alfa6

Morning alfa6. :-)


40 posted on 10/30/2004 10:13:24 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: bentfeather

Morning Feather.


41 posted on 10/30/2004 10:13:37 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Samwise
We all new States Rights were dead. I didn't know they had a tombstone.

LOL! Snippy says that is the "Quote of the day!".

42 posted on 10/30/2004 10:14:29 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: SAMWolf
How was the trip?

Ugh! Arrival in Chicago involved an ILS Circle-to-land approach to minimums. (That might not mean anything to you, I don't know, it means it's challenging) All day Thursday I had to sit in a meeting that didn't involve me. We were scheduled to depart Chicago at 10:30 Friday, the boss shows up at 11:45. IFR all the way with another ILS approach into St. Paul (no lunch). Other than that, great!

Fliers do use a lot of acronyms, don't they?

43 posted on 10/30/2004 10:41:08 AM PDT by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-gram.

Most famous flag update.


After removing the 1.7 million stitches that held the flag to the linen backing, the conservators had an unobstructed view of the flag's surface for the first time in 85 years. They documented its current condition, including fiber deterioration and stains, using a camera attached to a microscope. Information obtained during this phase will help project curators and conservators decide on future steps in the conservation treatment.

One of the further reading links in my Flag Day thread had instructions for making your own US flag. I'm going to take those and tweak them slightly, to get a 15 star, 15 stripe 1812 flag.

44 posted on 10/30/2004 10:43:13 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (I'm going to make my own Star Spangled Banner.)
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To: Samwise

Not famliar with that particular one. Some of those online Flight Sims get real hardcore "pilots", If he's into it he should enjoy it.


45 posted on 10/30/2004 10:50:24 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Otherwise known as SAM. ;-)

LOL!

46 posted on 10/30/2004 10:50:56 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Tax-chick
Jefferson Davis' selection of leaders in the West was such a disaster from start to finish!

He was too loyal to men who should have been replaced, sort of like Lincoln early in the war. ;-)

47 posted on 10/30/2004 10:52:54 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: The Mayor
You Won't Get Away With It!

That won't stop me from trying. ;-)

48 posted on 10/30/2004 10:54:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Tax-chick

Visiting those sites sure can get to you. Very sobering experiences


49 posted on 10/30/2004 10:55:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Aeronaut

I have a vague idea, I know what ILS is and "Circle to Land" is, not sure how the combination works.

Did you land at Midway, O'Hare or one of the outlying airports?


50 posted on 10/30/2004 11:00:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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