The FReeper Foxhole Remembers President Ronald Reagan and the Cold War - Dec. 30th, 2004

American History Magazine | October 2003 | Dinesh D'Souza

[SAMWolf]

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How the East Was Won:
Why Ronald Reagan Won the Cold War

With Operation Urgent Fury -- the invasion of Grenada -- two decades ago, Cold War history began a dramatic turn that would lead in less than a decade to the demise of an empire. Ronald Reagan's clarity of vision, tenacity and unwavering beliefs led to the dismantling of America's most formidable foe.

Twenty years ago, Ronald Reagan ordered American troops to invade Grenada and liberate the island from its ruling Marxist dictator. By itself this would have been an insignificant military action: Grenada is a tiny island of little geopolitical significance. But in reality the liberation of Grenada was a historic event, because it signaled the end of the Brezhnev Doctrine and inaugurated a sequence of events that brought down the Soviet empire itself.

Leonid Brezhnev

The Brezhnev Doctrine stated simply that once a country went Communist, it would stay Communist. In other words, the Soviet empire would continue to advance and gain territory, but it would never lose any to the capitalist West. In 1980, when Reagan was elected president, the Brezhnev Doctrine was a frightening reality. Between 1974 and 1980, while the United States wallowed in post-Vietnam angst, 10 countries had fallen into the Soviet orbit: South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, South Yemen, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Nicaragua, Grenada and Afghanistan. Never had the Soviets lost an inch of real estate to the West.

The liberation of Grenada changed that. For the first time, a Communist country had ceased to be Communist. Surely the Politburo in Moscow took notice of that. The Soviet leadership, we now know from later accounts, also noted that in Ronald Reagan the Americans had elected a new kind of president, one who had resolved not merely to "contain" but actually to "roll back" the Soviet empire.

Containment. Rollback. These sound like words from a very different era, and in a sense they are. With the sudden and spectacular collapse of the Soviet Union, we find ourselves in a new world. But how we got from there to here is still poorly understood. Oddly there is very little debate, even among historians, about how the Soviet empire collapsed so suddenly and unexpectedly. One reason for this, perhaps, is that many of the experts were embarrassingly wrong in their analysis and predictions about the future of the Soviet empire.



It is important to note that the doves or appeasers (the forerunners of today's antiwar movement) were wrong on every point. They showed a very poor understanding of the nature of communism. For example, when Reagan in 1983 called the Soviet Union an "evil empire," columnist Anthony Lewis of The New York Times became so indignant at Reagan's formulation that he searched through his repertoire for the appropriate adjective: "simplistic," "sectarian," "dangerous," "outrageous." Finally Lewis settled on "primitive...the only word for it."

Writing during the mid-1980s, Strobe Talbott, then a journalist at Time and later an official in the Clinton State Department, faulted officials in the Reagan administration for espousing "the early fifties goal of rolling back Soviet domination of Eastern Europe," an objective he considered unrealistic and dangerous. "Reagan is counting on American technological and economic predominance to prevail in the end," Talbott scoffed, adding that if the Soviet economy was in a crisis of any kind "it is a permanent, institutionalized crisis with which the U.S.S.R. has learned to live."

Historian Barbara Tuchman argued that instead of employing a policy of confrontation, the West should ingratiate itself with the Soviet Union by pursuing "the stuffed-goose option -- that is, providing them with all the grain and consumer goods they need." If Reagan had taken this advice when it was offered in 1982, the Soviet empire would probably still be around today.



The hawks or anti-Communists had a much better understanding of totalitarianism, and understood the necessity of an arms buildup to deter Soviet aggression. But they too were decidedly mistaken in their belief that Soviet communism was a permanent and virtually indestructible adversary. This Spenglerian gloom is conveyed by Whittaker Chambers' famous remark to the House Un-American Activities Committee in 1948 that in abandoning communism he was "leaving the winning side for the losing side."

The hawks were also mistaken about what steps were needed in the final stage to bring about the dismantling of the Soviet empire. During Reagan's second term, when he supported Mikhail Gorbachev's reform efforts and pursued arms reduction agreements with him, many conservatives denounced his apparent change of heart. William F. Buckley urged Reagan to reconsider his positive assessment of the Gorbachev regime: "To greet it as if it were no longer evil is on the order of changing our entire position toward Adolf Hitler." George Will mourned that "Reagan has accelerated the moral disarmament of the West by elevating wishful thinking to the status of political philosophy."

No one, and least of all an intellectual, likes to be proved wrong. Consequently there has been in the past decade a determined effort to rewrite the history of the Cold War. This revisionist view has now entered the textbooks, and is being pressed on a new generation that did not live through the Soviet collapse. There is no mystery about the end of the Soviet Union, the revisionists say, explaining that it suffered from chronic economic problems and collapsed of its own weight.



This argument is not persuasive. True, the Soviet Union during the 1980s suffered from debilitating economic problems. But these were hardly new: The Soviet regime had endured economic strains for decades, on account of its unworkable Socialist system. Moreover, why would economic woes in themselves bring about the end of the political regime? Historically, it is common for nations to experience poor economic performance, but never have food shortages or technological backwardness caused the destruction of a large empire. The Roman and Ottoman empires survived internal stresses for centuries before they were destroyed from the outside through military conflict.

Another dubious claim is that Mikhail Gorbachev was the designer and architect of the Soviet Union's collapse. Gorbachev was undoubtedly a reformer and a new kind of Soviet leader, but he did not wish to lead the party, and the regime, over the precipice. In his 1987 book Perestroika, Gorbachev presented himself as the preserver, not the destroyer, of socialism. Consequently, when the Soviet Union collapsed, no one was more surprised than Gorbachev.

[SAMWolf]

The man who got things right from the start was, at first glance, an unlikely statesman. He became the leader of the Free World with no experience in foreign policy. Some people thought he was a dangerous warmonger; others considered him a nice fellow but a bit of a bungler. Nevertheless, this California lightweight turned out to have as deep an understanding of communism as Alexander Solzhenitsyn. This rank amateur developed a complex, often counterintuitive strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union, which hardly anyone on his staff fully endorsed or even understood. Through a combination of vision, tenacity, patience and improvisational skill, he produced what Henry Kissinger termed "the most stunning diplomatic feat of the modern era." Or as Margaret Thatcher put it, "Reagan won the cold war without firing a shot."


Yuri Andropov

Reagan had a much more sophisticated understanding of communism than either the hawks or the doves. In 1981 he told an audience at the University of Notre Dame: "The West won't contain communism. It will transcend communism. It will dismiss it as some bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written." The next year, speaking to the British House of Commons, Reagan predicted that if the Western alliance remained strong it would produce a "march of freedom and democracy which will leave Marxism-Leninism on the ash heap of history."

These prophetic assertions -- dismissed as wishful rhetoric at the time -- raise the question: How did Reagan know that Soviet communism faced impending collapse when the most perceptive minds of his time had no inkling of what was to come? To answer this question, the best approach is to begin with Reagan's jokes, which contain a profound analysis of the working of socialism. Over the years Reagan had developed an extensive collection of stories that he attributed to the Soviet people themselves.

One of Reagan's favorite stories concerned a man who goes to the Soviet bureau of transportation to order an automobile. He is informed that he will have to put down his money now, but there is a 10-year wait. The man fills out all the various forms, has them processed through the various agencies, and finally he gets to the last agency. He pays them his money and they say, "Come back in 10 years and get your car." He asks, "Morning or afternoon?" The man in the agency says, "We're talking about 10 years from now. What difference does it make?" He replies, "The plumber is coming in the morning."

Reagan could go on in this vein for hours. What is striking, however, is that his jokes were not about the evil of communism so much as they were about its incompetence. Reagan agreed with the hawks that the Soviet experiment, which sought to transform human nature and create a "new man," was immoral. At the same time, he saw that it was also basically foolish. Reagan did not need a Ph.D. in economics to recognize that any economy based upon centralized planners dictating how much factories should produce, how much people should consume and how social rewards should be distributed was doomed to disastrous failure. For Reagan the Soviet Union was a "sick bear," and the question was not whether it would collapse, but when.

Sick bears, however, can be very dangerous. They tend to lash out. What resources they cannot find at home, they seek elsewhere. Moreover, since we are not discussing animals but people, there is also the question of pride. The leaders of an internally weak empire are not likely to acquiesce to an erosion of their power. They typically turn to their primary source of strength: the military.

Appeasement, Reagan was convinced, would only increase the bear's appetite and invite further aggression. Thus he agreed with the anti-Communist strategy for dealing firmly with the Soviets. But he was more confident than most hawks in his belief that Americans were up to the challenge. "We must realize," he said in his first inaugural address, "that...no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women." What was most visionary about Reagan's view was that it rejected the assumption of Soviet immutability. At a time when no one else could, Reagan dared to imagine a world in which the Communist regime in the Soviet Union did not exist.

It is one thing to envision this happy state, and quite another to bring it about. The Soviet bear was in a ravenous mood when Reagan entered the White House. In the 1970s the Soviets had made rapid advances in Asia, Africa and South America, culminating with the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. Moreover, the Soviet Union had built the most formidable nuclear arsenal in the world. The Warsaw Pact also had overwhelming superiority over NATO in its conventional forces. Finally, Moscow had recently deployed a new generation of intermediate-range missiles, the giant SS-20s, targeted at European cities.

Reagan did not merely react to these alarming events; he developed a broad counteroffensive strategy. He initiated a $1.5 trillion military buildup, the largest in American peacetime history, which was aimed at drawing the Soviets into an arms race he was convinced they could not win. He was also determined to lead the Western alliance in deploying 108 Pershing II and 464 Tomahawk cruise missiles in Europe to counter the SS-20s. At the same time, Reagan did not eschew arms control negotiations. Indeed, he suggested that for the first time the two superpowers drastically reduce their nuclear stockpiles. If the Soviets would withdraw their SS-20s, the United States would not proceed with the Pershing and Tomahawk deployments. This was called the "zero option."

Mikhail Gorbachev

Then there was the Reagan Doctrine, which involved military and material support for indigenous resistance movements struggling to overthrow Soviet-sponsored tyrannies. The administration supported such guerrillas in Afghanistan, Cambodia, Angola and Nicaragua. In addition, it worked with the Vatican and the international wing of the AFL-CIO to keep alive the Polish trade union Solidarity, despite a ruthless crackdown by General Wojciech Jaruzelski's regime. In 1983, U.S. troops invaded Grenada, ousting the Marxist government and holding free elections. Finally, in March 1983 Reagan announced the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), a new program to research and eventually deploy missile defenses that offered the promise, in Reagan's words, of "making nuclear weapons obsolete."

[SAMWolf]

At every stage Reagan's counteroffensive strategy was denounced by the doves. The "nuclear freeze" movement became a potent political force in the early 1980s by exploiting public fears that Reagan's military buildup was leading the world closer to nuclear war. Reagan's zero option was dismissed by Strobe Talbott, who said it was "highly unrealistic" and offered "more to score propaganda points...than to win concessions from the Soviets." With the exception of support for the Afghan mujahedin, a cause that enjoyed bipartisan support, every other effort to aid anti-Communist rebels fighting to liberate their countries from Marxist, Soviet-backed regimes was resisted by doves in Congress and the media. SDI was denounced, in the words of The New York Times, as "a projection of fantasy into policy."



The Soviet Union was equally hostile to the Reagan counteroffensive, but its understanding of Reagan's objectives was far more perceptive than that of the doves. Commenting on the Reagan arms buildup, the Soviet journal Izvestiya protested, "They want to impose on us an even more ruinous arms race." General Secretary Yuri Andropov alleged that Reagan's missile defense program was "a bid to disarm the Soviet Union." The seasoned diplomat Andrei Gromyko charged that "behind all this lies the clear calculation that the USSR will exhaust its material resources...and therefore will be forced to surrender." These reactions are important because they establish the context for Mikhail Gorbachev's ascent to power in early 1985. Gorbachev was indeed a new breed of Soviet general secretary, utterly unlike any of his predecessors, but few have asked why he was appointed by the Old Guard. The main reason is that the Politburo had come to recognize the failure of past Soviet strategies.

The Soviet leadership, which initially dismissed Reagan's promise of rearmament as mere saber-rattling rhetoric, seems to have been stunned by the scale and pace of the Reagan military buildup. The Pershing and Tomahawk deployments were, to the Soviets, an unnerving demonstration of the unity and resolve of the Western alliance. Through the Reagan Doctrine, the United States had completely halted Soviet advances in the Third World -- since Reagan assumed office, no more territory had fallen into Moscow's hands. Indeed, one small nation, Grenada, had moved back into the democratic camp. Thanks to Stinger missiles supplied by the United States, Afghanistan was rapidly becoming what the Soviets would themselves later call a "bleeding wound." Then there was Reagan's SDI program, which invited the Soviets into a new kind of arms race that they could scarcely afford, and one that they would probably lose. Clearly the Politburo saw that the momentum in the Cold War had dramatically shifted. After 1985, the Soviets seem to have decided to try something different.

It was Reagan, in other words, who seems to have been largely responsible for inducing a loss of nerve that caused Moscow to seek a new approach. Gorbachev's assignment was not merely to find a new way to deal with the country's economic problems but also to figure out how to cope with the empire's reversals abroad. For this reason, Ilya Zaslavsky, who served in the Soviet Congress of People's Deputies, said later that the true originator of perestroika (restructuring) and glasnost (openness) was not Mikhail Gorbachev but Ronald Reagan.



Gorbachev was widely admired by Western intellectuals and pundits because the new Soviet leader was attempting to achieve the great 20th-century hope of the Western intelligentsia: communism with a human face! A socialism that worked! Yet as Gorbachev discovered, and the rest of us now know, it could not be done. The vices Gorbachev sought to eradicate from the system turned out to be essential features of the system. If Reagan was the Great Communicator, then Gorbachev turned out to be, as Zbigniew Brzezinski put it, the Grand Miscalculator. The hard-liners in the Kremlin who warned Gorbachev that his reforms would cause the entire system to blow up were right.

But Gorbachev had one redeeming quality: He was a decent and relatively open-minded fellow. Gorbachev was the first Soviet leader who came from the post-Stalin generation, the first to admit openly that the promises of Lenin were not being fulfilled. Reagan, like Margaret Thatcher, was quick to recognize that Gorbachev was different.

Even so, as they sat across the table in Geneva in November 1985, Reagan knew that Gorbachev would be a tough negotiator. Setting aside State Department briefing books full of diplomatic language, Reagan confronted Gorbachev directly. "What you are doing in Afghanistan in burning villages and killing children," he said. "It's genocide, and you are the one who has to stop it." At this point, according to aide Kenneth Adelman, who was present, Gorbachev looked at Reagan with a stunned expression, apparently because no one had talked to him this way before.



Reagan also threatened Gorbachev. "We won't stand by and let you maintain weapon superiority over us," he told him. "We can agree to reduce arms, or we can continue the arms race, which I think you know you can't win." The extent to which Gorbachev took Reagan's remarks to heart became obvious at the October 1986 Reykjavik summit. There Gorbachev astounded the arms control establishment in the West by accepting Reagan's zero option.

Yet Gorbachev had one condition, which he unveiled at the very end: The United States must agree not to deploy missile defenses. Reagan refused. The press immediately went on the attack. "Reagan-Gorbachev Summit Talks Collapse as Deadlock on SDI Wipes Out Other Gains," read the banner headline in The Washington Post. "Sunk by Star Wars," Time's cover declared. To Reagan, however, SDI was more than a bargaining chip; it was a moral issue. In a televised statement from Reykjavik he said, "There was no way I could tell our people that their government would not protect them against nuclear destruction." Polls showed that most Americans supported him.



Reykjavik, Margaret Thatcher said, was the turning point in the Cold War. Finally Gorbachev realized that he had a choice: Continue a no-win arms race, which would utterly cripple the Soviet economy, or give up the struggle for global hegemony, establish peaceful relations with the West, and work to enable the Soviet economy to become prosperous like the Western economies. After Reykjavik, Gorbachev seemed to have settled on this latter course.

Additional Sources:

www.psywarrior.com
teachpol.tcnj.edu
www.gavle.to
www.reagan.dk
history.acusd.edu

[SAMWolf]

In December 1987, Gorbachev abandoned his previous "non-negotiable" demand that Reagan give up SDI and visited Washington, D.C., to sign the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. For the first time in history the two superpowers agreed to eliminate an entire class of nuclear weapons.



The hawks were suspicious from the outset. Gorbachev was a masterful chess player, they said; he might sacrifice a pawn, but only to gain an overall advantage. Howard Phillips of the Conservative Caucus even charged Reagan with "fronting as a useful idiot for Soviet propaganda." Yet these criticisms missed the larger current of events. Gorbachev wasn't sacrificing a pawn, he was giving up his bishops and his queen. The INF Treaty was in fact the first stage of Gorbachev's surrender in the Cold War.

Reagan knew that the Cold War was over when Gorbachev came to Washington. Gorbachev was a media celebrity in the United States, and the crowds cheered when he jumped out of his limousine and shook hands with people on the street. Reagan was out of the limelight, and it didn't seem to bother him. Asked by a reporter whether he felt overshadowed by Gorbachev, Reagan replied: "I don't resent his popularity. Good Lord, I once co-starred with Errol Flynn."



To appreciate Reagan's diplomatic acumen during this period, it is important to recall that he was pursuing his own distinctive course. Against the advice of the hawks, Reagan supported Gorbachev and his reforms. And when doves in the State Department implored Reagan to "reward" Gorbachev with economic concessions and trade benefits for announcing that Soviet troops would pull out of Afghanistan, Reagan refused. He did not want to restore the health of the sick bear. Rather, Reagan's goal was, as Gorbachev himself once joked, to lead the Soviet Union to the edge of the abyss and then induce it to take "one step forward."

This was the significance of Reagan's trip to the Brandenburg Gate on June 12, 1987, in which he demanded that Gorbachev prove that he was serious about openness by taking down the Berlin Wall. And in May 1988 Reagan stood beneath a giant white bust of Lenin at Moscow State University, where, in front of an audience of Russian students, he gave the most ringing defense of a free society ever offered in the Soviet Union. At the U.S. ambassador's residence, he assured a group of dissidents and "refuseniks" that the day of freedom was near. All of these measures were calibrated to force Gorbachev's hand.



First Gorbachev agreed to deep unilateral cuts in Soviet armed forces in Europe. Starting in May 1988, Soviet troops pulled out of Afghanistan, the first time the Soviets had voluntarily withdrawn from a puppet regime. Before long, Soviet and satellite troops were pulling out of Angola, Ethiopia and Cambodia. The race toward freedom began in Eastern Europe, and the Berlin Wall was indeed torn down.

During this period of ferment, Gorbachev's great achievement, for which he will be credited by history, was to abstain from the use of force. Force had been the response of his predecessors to popular uprisings in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. By now not only were Gorbachev and his team permitting the empire to disintegrate, but they even adopted Reagan's way of talking. In October 1989, Soviet foreign ministry spokesman Gennadi Gerasimov announced that the Soviet Union would not intervene in the internal affairs of Eastern Bloc nations. "The Brezhnev Doctrine is dead," Gerasimov said. When reporters asked him what would take its place, he replied, "You know the Frank Sinatra song 'My Way'? Hungary and Poland are doing it their way. We now have the Sinatra Doctrine." The Gipper could not have said it better himself.

Finally the revolution made its way into the Soviet Union. Gorbachev, who had completely lost control of events, found himself ousted from power. The Soviet Union voted to abolish itself. Leningrad changed its name back to St. Petersburg. Republics such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine gained their independence.



Even some who had previously been skeptical of Reagan were forced to admit that his policies had been thoroughly vindicated. Reagan's old nemesis, Henry Kissinger, observed that while it was George H.W. Bush who presided over the final disintegration of the Soviet empire, "it was Ronald Reagan's presidency which marked the turning point."

We are now living in a new world, in which Islamic fundamentalism and radicalism may be replacing Soviet communism as the main challenge facing America and the West. Even as we face our new challenges, however, we should reserve a measure of admiration and gratitude for Reagan, the grand old warrior who led the United States to victory in the Cold War.

[SAMWolf]

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[Diver Dave]

Great presentation to a GREAT leader.
Makes me rather proud of the fact that mrs.dd and I joined a motorcade in San Diego when President Reagan was campaigning for Governor of California. We weren't even registered voters - Just seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Been leaning RIGHT ever since. :)

[sasportas]

I read every line. For the first time I fully understand what Reagan did - from Grenada to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Reagan has made me prouder than ever to be an American.

Reagan single handedly took on, and defanged something that had the potential to destroy the world. His foresight and courage, absolutely incredible. I no longer hold him on a par with other great presidents, I now consider him the greatest president we have ever had.

Churchill? A truly great man, he faced down Hitler. However, Hitler didn't have the means to annhilate the world with thermonuclear weapons.

[Aeronaut]

Good morning Snippy.

[Iris7]

There is more to this story. President Reagan had to have a carrot and a stick to negotiate with. The carrot is pretty clear, peace and prosperity.

The Abrams tank was designed and deployed by thousands, a clearly superior weapon, and only a part of the Air/Land Battle, a system to reduce entire Soviet Armies to scrap iron.
Stealth and many other more shadowy things to destroy Soviet Anti-Aircraft systems. The synthetic aperture targeting radar on the Attack Eagle, man, effective, real effective. JSTARS.

Me, I am a space boy, so I watched the orbital defenses project closely. Did some calculations early on that convinced me that this program was bogus, since the required massive tonnage in orbit, I figured 100,000 tons per year, as I recollect, moving up to 1,000,000 as the system came together. Well, I was wrong, so happily wrong. I will tell you about TIMBERWIND, the machine that was going to accomplish this impossible job.

From Aviation Week and Space Technology April 8, 1991:

"The big space story in this issue is definitely the leak of Timberwind. AW&ST says it has independent confirmation based on documents, although SDIO declines all comment. Timberwind has cost $40M to date [which makes it a small study program, by the way, not a major development effort], and would probably cost $7-8G through flight test.

Timberwind is a fluidized-bed reactor, with small pellets of nuclear fuel supported by the gas stream. Exhaust velocity will be much higher than an oxyhydrogen engine, despite similar temperatures, because of the much lower molecular weight of the hydrogen exhaust. [Exhaust velocity scales inversely as square root of molecular weight, giving a factor of 2-3.] At least one fluidized-bed reactor was tested briefly in the mid-1980s, although it was not entirely successful. The engine would have a thrust of 45-75klbs initially, with possible growth to 250klbs. AW&ST's drawing indicates use of a telescoping exhaust nozzle to reduce length, *presumably* extended before ignition.

Two design concepts using the Timberwind engine have been sketched. One is an Atlas-Centaur derivative, with the Centaur replaced by a huge stage (fatter than the Atlas and twice as long!!) using a single Timberwind. The Atlas sustainer phase would be eliminated, with all three Atlas engines cutting out simultaneously before staging. This configuration could lift about 27klbs to low orbit. The other concept is an "advanced Titan" scheme which sort of jacks up Titan's SRBs and slides an entirely new rocket in between, using three Timberwinds igniting at SRB burnout. Payload to low orbit would be 140klbs. [Hmm, I wonder if they've thought about the problems of nuclear clustering? One has to beware of interactions between reactors, since they are unshielded and right beside each other.]

SDIO proposes initial engine testing at the Nevada Test Site, followed by a suborbital test over Antarctica. (Some small chance of an accident affecting New Zealand is noted.)

NASA is interested in Timberwind but is wary of public outcry and suspects that commitment to a specific advanced reactor design is premature. [They would prefer to spend half a decade studying it first, as usual.] They are also skeptical about possible development problems, especially weight growth that could give it little advantage over a more conventional Nerva-type engine, and doubt that political approval could be had for igniting nuclear engines before reaching orbit.

USAF reveals many details of Timberwind (without actually using that codename or admitting the connection). The objective is a particle-bed fission engine that would give about 75klbs of thrust at Isp of 1000s and thrust:weight ratio of 30:1. The particles, using a new coating to permit heat transfer without fission-product leakage, would be retained between porous frits to prevent them escaping. About $130M has been spent since 1987 with the objective of ground-testing a prototype in about eight years at a total cost of circa $800M. Congress is actually appropriating more than the USAF asked for in FY1992."

From Aviation Week and Space Technology Jan. 20, 1992:

"The USAF has ruled out using Timberwind at ground level, saying it is being considered only as an upper stage. The USAF missions for it have not been revealed. NASA is cautiously interested."

Being me, I had to do some numbers, and the program above is not the real program. Timberwind was aimed at persuading the Soviets that we indeed could build the big ships needed to launch those big loads. Imagine ocean launched nuclear rockets bigger than "Sea Dragon" putting a thousand tons into low earth orbit, with one hundred percent recovery of all components. Rockets as big as an ocean liner. Ah, bliss.

And folks, Thank God for SDI.

Would have been some unhappy Greens. I figure the correct way to deal with that is to turn those folks into REALY unhappy greens, like maybe thirty years without parole.

[snopercod]

Thanks so much for posting this, Sam.

Joanie, this might interest you.

And for Ivan, an "Iron Lady" bump.

[E.G.C.]

Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the foxhole.

[alfa6]

Off to work Bump for later read

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[GailA]

Good morning all.

[The Mayor]

December 30, 2004

Do Angels Sleep?

Read: Deut. 30:11-14

The word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. —Deuteronomy 30:14

Bible In One Year: Zechariah 13-14; Revelation 21

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A friend of mine has a 5-year-old daughter who is on her way to becoming a theologian. One day she asked her father, "Do angels sleep?" After pondering the theological dimensions of her question, he answered, "Yes, I think they might." His daughter moved in with a follow-up question, "Well, then, how do they get their pajamas on over their wings?"

We may be more like that little girl than we think. We never seem to outgrow asking interesting questions that do not need to be answered. It's healthy to be inquisitive, but it isn't healthy to obsess over matters that don't really matter. Such questions may sidetrack us from our faith.

What we need to know about God and His will for us is clearly spelled out in Scripture. The words He spoke through Moses to His people are true for us today. "For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. . . . But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it" (Deuteronomy 30:11,14).

The Bible isn't a riddle; it's a revelation. It tells us all we need to know to be all that God wants us to be in every situation in life. —Haddon Robinson

God's Word reveals what we should know
To live for Him each day;
His principles we must commit
To study and obey. —Sper

The Bible is as wise in what it leaves unsaid as in what it says.

[Professional Engineer]

Good morning ladies. Flag-o-Gram.

[Soaring Feather]

Good morning everyone!!

[SAMWolf]

Morning DD.

It's amazing what a man with convictions and determination can accomplish.

[SAMWolf]

Morning sasportas.

IMHO history will give President Reagan and Margeret Thatcher the credit they deserve.

[SAMWolf]

Good Morning Aeronaut.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Iris7.

Thanks for the info on TIMBERWIND. I learned something new. :-)

[SAMWolf]

Morning snopercod.

I remember listening to Reagan's speeches, what an orator!

[SAMWolf]

Morning E.G.C.

Warm weather is moving out and we're getting cold and rain.

[SAMWolf]

Morning alfa6.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Matt.

We'd love to see any of the monuments you can find pctures of.

[Valin]

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on December 30:
0039 Titus 10th Roman emperor (79-81), conqueror of Jerusalem
1741 Bartolomeo Giacometti composer
1818 James Cantey Brigadier-General (Confederate Army), died in 1874
1819 John White Geary Brevet Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1873
1828 Mark Perrin Lowrey Brigadier-General (Confederate Army), died in 1885
1847 John Peter Altgeld German/US (Governor-IL)/pardoned Haymarket-anarchists
1851 Asa Griggs Candler developed Coca-Cola
1865 Rudyard Kipling Bombay, author (Jungle Book, Gunga Din-Nobel 1907)
1867 Simon Guggenheim philanthropist (died aboard the Titanic)
1879 Sri Ramana Maharshi Hindu philosopher/yogi (Maharshi Research Institute)
1884 Tojo Hideki Japanese PM during WWII
1914 Bert Parks [Jacobson] Atlanta GA, TV host (Miss America)
1918 W Eugene Smith US photographer (Saipan, Walk to Paradise Garden)
1928 Bo Diddley [Ellas Bates] Mississippi, rock 'n' roll pioneer (Bo Diddley)
1928 Jack Lord New York NY, actor (Steve McGarrett-Hawaii 5-0, God's Little Acre)
1930 Jerome Theisen benedictine
1931 Little Skeeter Davis [Mary Penick] Dry Ridge KY, singer (End of the World)
1932 John Hillerman Denison TX, actor (Magnum PI, Blazing Saddles, Audrey Rose)
1935 Jack Riley Cleveland OH, actor (Carlin-Bob Newhart, Ocassional Wife)
1935 Sandy Koufax Dodger pitcher (Cy Young '63, '65, '66, perfect-1967)
1937 John Hartford New York NY, singer/songwriter (Smothers Brothers Hour, Gentle on My Mind)
1937 [Noel] Paul Stookey Baltimore MD, singer/musician/comedian (Peter, Paul, & Mary)
1938 Joseph Bologna Brooklyn NY, actor (Citizen Cohn, My Favorite Year)
1939 Del Shannon [Charles Westover] Coopersville MI, rocker (Runaway)
1942 Michael Nesmith Houston, rocker/actor (Monkees)
1942 Fred Ward (actor: Tremors)
1945 [David] Davy Jones Manchester England, singer/actor (Monkees)
1945 John Kevin Moorhouse test pilot
1945 Preston Andrew Trombly composer
1947 Jeff Lynne rocker (ELO-Telephone Line, Travelling Wilburys)
1956 Suzy Bogguss Aledo IL, singer (I Want to be a Cowboy's Sweetheart)
1957 Matt Lauer New York NY, TV host (Today Show)
1961 Ben Johnson 100 meter runner (Olympics-gold-1988-disqualified)
1975 Tiger Woods golfer

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Deaths which occurred on December 30:
0273 Felix I Italian Bishop of Rome, dies (or 274)
1591 Innocent IX [Giovanni Facchinetti] Pope, (1591 62 days), dies at 72
1635 Jan Baptista Van Helmont physician/alchemist, dies
1777 Maximilian III Jozef elector of Bayern (1745-77), dies at 50
1832 Colonel Abijah Hammond owned large portion of Greenwich Village, dies
1893 Samuel White Baker English explorer, dies at 72
1894 Amelia Jenks Bloomer suffragist (Bloomers named for her), dies at 76
1896 José Mercado Rizal anti-Spanish rule of Philippines proponent, dies
1916 Grigori Rasputin, Russian mystic/shaman(shot and killed after a failed attempt to poison him, by Prince Felix Youssoupov at 45)
1931 Tyrone Power Sr actor (Big Trial, Test of Donald Norton), dies at 62
1967 Bert Berns US songwriter/producer (Twist & Shout), dies at about 38
1979 Richard Rodgers composer (Rogers & Hammerstein), dies at 77
1992 Ling-Ling 1st panda China gave US, dies at 23
1993 [Irving Paul] "Swifty" Lazar superagent, dies of kidney failure at 86
1993 Mack David US songwriter (Bachelor in Paradise), dies at 81
1996 Lew Ayres screen actor (Salem's Lot, State Fair), dies at 88
1996 Robert Grant-Ferris politician, dies at 89

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Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1967 SWORDS SMITH III---LOS ANGELES CA.
1967 WORTHAM MURRAY LAMAR---SAN AUGUSTINE TX.
1968 MC CANTS LELAND S. III---ALEXANDRIA VA.
[DROWNED IN RIVER CROSSING]
1969 FERGUSON DOUGLAS D.---TACOMA WA.
1969 FEATHERSTON FIELDING W.---WICKLIFFE OH.
1970 BUNKER PARK G.---HOMEWOOD IL.
1971 CHARLES NORRIS A.---TAMPA FL.
[09/25/72 RELEASED BY HANOI]
1971 HOFFMAN DAVID W.---PHILADELPHIA PA.
[03/28/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE IN 98]
1971 HOLMES FREDERICK---MORGAN HILL CA.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.

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On this day...
0274 St Felix I ends his reign as Catholic Pope
0987 Frankish King Hugo Capet crowns his son Robert the compassionate king
1317 Pontifical degree "Sancta Romania" against spiritualists
1460 The Duke of York is defeated and killed by Lancastrians at the Battle of Wakefield.
1621 English king James I cracks Protestation of Parliament
1685 Don Francisco de Agurto installed as land guardian of South Netherlands
1703 Tokyo hit by Earthquake; about 37,000 die
1731 1st US music concert (Peter Pelham's great room in Boston)
1794 French troops conquer Grave Netherlands
1803 The United States takes possession of the Louisiana area from France
1809 Wearing masks at balls forbidden in Boston

1817 1st coffee planted in Hawaii (Kona)

1835 After gold discovery in Georgia, Cherokees are forced to move across Mississippi River (Trail of Tears)
1853 Gadsden Purchase - 45,000 square miles (120,000 km) by Gila River from México for $10 million; Area is now southern Arizona & New Mexico
1854 Pennsylvania Rock Oil Company, 1st in US, incorporated in New York NY
1861 US, banks stops payments in gold
1862 The Union ironclad ship U.S.S. Monitor sinks in a storm off Cape Hatteras, North Carolina
1869 Philadelphia Knights of Labor forms
1875 "Andrassy Note" calls for Christian-Muslim religious freedoms
1877 Johnannes Brahms' 2nd Symphony in D, premieres in Vienna
1879 Gilbert & Sullivan's "Pirates of Penzance" premieres
1892 Dr Miles V Lynk, physician, publishes 1st Black medical journal
1893 Russia signs military accord with France
1897 Province of Zululand annexed to Natal colony
1906 Iran becomes a constitutional monarchy
1907 Abraham Mills' commission declares Abner Doubleday invented baseball
1911 Sun Yat-sen elected 1st President of Republic of China
1917 -32ºF (-36ºC) in Mountain City TN (state record
1917 -37ºF (-38ºC) in Lewisburg WV (state record)
1918 John E Hoover decides to be called J Edgar Hoover
1922 Soviet Union organized as a federation of RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Belorussian SSR & Transcaucasian SSR
1926 Chicago Tribune reports the Tigers threw a 4-game series to the White Sox in 1917 to help Chicago win the pennant (never substaniated)
1929 Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority incorporates
1935 Italian bombers destroy Swedish Red Cross unit in Ethiopia
1936 United Auto Workers stage 1st sit-down strike, at Fisher Body Plant
1938 Electronic television system patented by V K Zworykin
1940 California's 1st freeway (Arroyo Seco Parkway) opens
1941 Al Capone's son Sonny marries in Miami Beach
1947 King Michael of Romania, forced by communists abdicates his throne
and Romanian republic proclaimed
1948 "Kiss Me, Kate" opens at New Century Theater NYC for 1077 performances
1949 India recognizes People's Republic of China
1950 Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia become Independent states in France Union
1952 Tuskegee Institute reports 1952 as 1st year in 71 with no lynchings in US
1957 Israeli government of Ben-Gurion, resigns
1958 French franc devalued
1959 The USS George Washington, 1st ballistic missile sub commissioned
1963 Congress authorizes the Kennedy half dollar
1963 "Let's Make A Deal" debuts on NBC-TV
1965 Ferdinand Marcos inaugurated as President of the Phillipines
1967 Beatles' "Hello Goodbye" single goes #1 & stays #1 for 3 weeks
1972 President Nixon halts bombing of North Vietnam & announces peace talks
1973 1st picture of a comet from space (Comet Kohoutek-Skylab)
1974 Beatles are legally disbanded (4 years after suit was brought)
1976 Governor Carey of New York pardons seven inmates, closing the book on the Attica uprising.
1978 Ohio State dismisses Woody Hayes as its football coach
1979 Rock group, Emerson Lake & Palmer break up
1980 "Wonderful World of Disney" last performance on NBC-TV
1981 Wayne Gretzky sets NHL record of 50 goals by 39th game of season
1984 Miss Elizabeth (Hulette) & Macho Man Randy Savage (Poffo) wed
1985 IBM-PC DOS Version 3.2 released
1985 President Zia of Pakistan ends martial law
1987 Premier Mugabe "elected" President of Zimbabwe
1988 Canadian Senate OK's free trade pact; with US
1988 Former Soviet President Brezhnev's son-in-law sentenced to 12-year (bribery)
1988 North subpoenas Reagan & Bush as defense witnesses for upcoming trial
1993 Vatican recognizes Israel

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Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Bolivia, Chile : Bank Holiday
Iran : Birthday of Iman Reza
Italy : New Year's Eve
Philippiines : Rizal Day (anniversary of his death) (1896)
El Salvador : Bank Holiday
US : Nia-Purpose Day (5th Day of Kwanzaa)
Drunk and Drugged Driving Awareness Month

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Religious History
1741 English revivalist George Whitefield wrote in a letter: 'O how little do I for Jesus, who has done so much for me!'
1838 Hanover College was chartered by the Presbyterian General Assembly of Indiana. The school had been founded as a seminary "in the wilderness" for training ministers.
1927 The International Church of the Foursquare Gospel was incorporated in Los Angeles, CA. Founded in 1923 by evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson, the denomination recognizes the significant role that women in ministry. Today, over 40% of its ministers are women.
1937 Birth of No l Paul Stookey, American folk singer. Stookey was "Paul" of the 1960s folk trio Peter, Paul & Mary. Converted in the late 1960s, Stookey is now a Christian recording artist, and prefers using his "born_again" name, No l.
1971 The Anglican_Roman Catholic International Commission announced that an agreement had been made between the two Christian traditions on the essential teachings about the Eucharist.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.

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Thought for the day :
"All generalizations are bad"

[SAMWolf]

Morning GailA.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Mayor.

Sam and Snippy never seem to sleep. ;-)

[SAMWolf]

Morning PE.

I give up, what plane is that?

My best guess is a Constellation.

[SAMWolf]

Good Morning Feather.

[w_over_w]

Morning Glory Snip & Sam~

I can never get enough reading about this great man.

Reagan knew the power and value of human freedom which was always the defining principle of his world view. His battle with Commumism was a 40 year battle.

One of the best books I've read about this 40 yr. battle. From the '46 strike at Warner Brothers organized by Communists hoping to take over film industry unions to the Reykjavi Summit, Reagan always had one vision . . . triumph over Communism.

It is important to note that the doves or appeasers (the forerunners of today's antiwar movement) were wrong on every point. They showed a very poor understanding of the nature of communism.

Substitute the word communism with "terrorism" and you have the same thing today. Geeez! When will the slo-co's get it?

[SAMWolf]

1862 The Union ironclad ship U.S.S. Monitor sinks in a storm off Cape Hatteras, North Carolina

[SAMWolf]

Morning w_over_w

Substitute the word communism with "terrorism" and you have the same thing today. Geeez! When will the slo-co's get it?

Some people will never get it.

[E.G.C.]

Well, first off it's a bit warm here today. That cold spell that was forecast for next week has backed off just a bit. Doesn't look like we'll have any cold weather anytime soon.

Congratulations to Ohio State. They won the Alamo Bowl game over Oklahoma State 33-7. We'll see if OU has any better luck Tuesday in the Orange Bowl.

How's it going, Snippy?

[NeoCaveman]

I know there are many Reagan's monuments being erected in Poland. If I find them in the Internet, I'll bring it out here.

That would be great.

[Aeronaut]

Hi Sam. Happy almost new year.

[SAMWolf]

Where'd 2004 go? It passed so quickly.

[Aeronaut]

Where'd 2004 go? It passed so quickly.

No sh kidding!!!

[SAMWolf]

I feel like I got jipped out of a year!

[w_over_w]

I feel like I got jipped out of a year!

WHAT! Ms. Snip moves to Oregon City, you open the Wild Bird Center (with a customer following as far as Valencia, CA), in the Foxhole you're known as Obe-Won . . . need I go on?!?

What jip? Sammy . . . say it ain't so! ;^)

[Aeronaut]

I feel like I got jipped out of a year!

Just think, it was five years ago when everyone was doing that Y2K thing.

[PsyOp]

"The American people are not--I repeat--not going to tolerate intimidation, terror, and outright acts of war against this nation and its people. And we're especially not going to tolerate these attacks from outlaw states run by the strangest collection of misfits, loony tunes, and squalid criminals since the advent of the Third Reich." - President Ronald Reagan, Remarks at the Annual Convention of the American Bar Association, July 8, 1985.

Reagan: The Great Communicator.

[Professional Engineer]

Ronald Reagan ordered American troops to invade Grenada and liberate the island from its ruling Marxist dictator.

I was in Basic when this happened, so TV time was freely available. It was until the internet became widespread that I was able to learn much at all about the invasion.

[Professional Engineer]

Hi miss Feather, love that Eagle!

[Professional Engineer]

1945 [David] Davy Jones Manchester England, singer/actor (Monkees)

He had a nice ride.

[alfa6]

Regards the F-O-G for the day it is a restored C-121 which of course is the military designation for a Constellation.

How's fencing lessons goin?

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[SAMWolf]

LOL! It just happened so fast that it seems like only a few weeks have gone by. I should just be counting my Blessings but I'm a slacker and complainer, just ask Snippy. ;-)

[SAMWolf]

Oh yeah, spend two years checking code and converting programs to handle that. You could have made a career out of that.

[Professional Engineer]

1958 French franc devalued

About 150 years late.

[SAMWolf]

He did tell it like it was. Some of the best speeches came out of his White House.