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The FReeper Foxhole Enjoys a Lazy Sunday and A Few WBTS Facts - May 22nd, 2005
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Posted on 05/22/2005 1:03:03 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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The War Between the States


• More than three million men fought in the war.

• Two percent of the population—more than 620,000—died in it.

• In two days at Shiloh on the banks of the Tennessee River, more Americans fell than in all previous American wars combined.

• During the Battle of Antietam, 12,401 Union men were killed, missing or wounded; double the casualties of D-Day, 82 years later. With a total of 23,000 casualties on both sides, it was the bloodiest single day of the Civil War.

• At Cold Harbor, Va., 7,000 Americans fell in 20 minutes.

• Senator John J. Crittendon of Kentucky had two sons who became major generals during the Civil War: one for the North, one for the South.

• Ulysses S. Grant was not fond of ceremonies or military music. He said he could only recognize two tunes. "One was Yankee Doodle," he grumbled. "The other one wasn’t."

• Missouri sent 39 regiments to fight in the siege of Vicksburg: 17 to the Confederacy and 22 to the Union.

• During the Battle of Antietam, Clara Barton tended the wounded so close to the fighting that a bullet went through her sleeve and killed a man she was treating.

• At the start of the war, the value of all manufactured goods produced in all the Confederate states added up to less than one-fourth of those produced in New York State alone.

• In March 1862, European powers watched in worried fascination as the Monitor and Merrimack battled off Hampton Roads, Va. From then on, after these ironclads opened fire, every other navy on earth was obsolete.

• In 1862, the U.S. Congress authorized the first paper currency, called "greenbacks."

• Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., future chief Justice, was wounded three times during the Civil War: in the chest at Ball’s Bluff, in the back at Antietam and in the heel at Chancellorsville.

• Confederate Private Henry Stanley fought for the Sixth Arkansas, and was captured at Shiloh, but survived to go to Africa to find Dr. Livingston.

• George Pickett’s doomed infantry charge at Gettysburg was the first time he took his division into combat.

• On July 4, 1863, after 48 days of siege, Confederate General John C. Pemberton surrendered the city of Vicksburg to the Union’s General, Ulysses S. Grant. The Fourth of July was not be celebrated in Vicksburg for another 81 years.

• Disease was the chief killer during the war, taking two men for every one who died of battle wounds.

• North and South, potential recruits were offered awards, or "bounties," for enlisting, as much as $677 in New York. Bounty jumping soon became a profession, as men signed up, then deserted, to enlist again elsewhere. One man repeated the process 32 times before being caught.

• African Americans constituted less than one percent of the northern population, yet by the war’s end made up ten percent of the Union Army. A total of 180,000 black men, more than 85% of those eligible, enlisted.

• In November 1863, President Lincoln was invited to offer a "few appropriate remarks" at the opening of a new Union cemetery at Gettysburg. The main speaker, a celebrated orator from Massachusetts, spoke for nearly two hours. Lincoln offered just 269 words in his Gettysburg Address.

• Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest had 30 horses shot from under him and personally killed 31 men in hand-to-hand combat. "I was a horse ahead at the end," he said.

• The words "In God We Trust" first appeared on a U.S. coin in 1864.

• In 1864, Ulysses S. Grant was promoted to Lieutenant General, a rank previously held by General George Washington, and led the 533,000 men of the Union Army, the largest in the world. Three years later, he was made President of the United States.

• Andersonville Prison in southwest Georgia held 33,000 prisoners in 1864. It was the fifth largest city in the Confederacy.

•By the end of the war, Unionists from every state except South Carolina had sent regiments to fight for the North.

• On November 9, 1863, President Lincoln attended a theater in Washington, D.C., to see "The Marble Heart." An accomplished actor, John Wilkes Booth, was in the cast.

• On March 4, 1865, Lincoln was inaugurated for a second term. Yards away in the crowd was John Wilkes Booth with a pistol in his pocket. His vantage point on the balcony, he said later, offered him "an excellent chance to kill the President, if I had wished."

• On May 13, 1865, a month after Lee’s surrender at Appomattox, Private John J. Williams of the 34th Indiana became the last man killed in the Civil War, in a battle at Palmito Ranch, Texas. The final skirmish was a Confederate victory.

• Hiram Revels of Mississippi became the first black man ever elected to the U.S. Senate. He filled the seat last held by Jefferson Davis.

Educational Sources;
www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/facts.html



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1 posted on 05/22/2005 1:03:07 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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2 posted on 05/22/2005 1:04:01 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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We here at Blue Stars For A Safe Return are working hard to honor all of our military, past and present, and their families. Inlcuding the veterans, and POW/MIA's. I feel that not enough is done to recognize the past efforts of the veterans, and remember those who have never been found.

I realized that our Veterans have no "official" seal, so we created one as part of that recognition. To see what it looks like and the Star that we have dedicated to you, the Veteran, please check out our site.

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3 posted on 05/22/2005 1:04:34 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


4 posted on 05/22/2005 2:21:16 AM PDT by Aeronaut (I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things - Saint-Exupery)
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Off to work Bump

Regrads

alfa6 ;>}

5 posted on 05/22/2005 2:58:42 AM PDT by alfa6 (Same nightmare, different night)
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Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 3:02:55 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning All.


7 posted on 05/22/2005 3:48:08 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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"• Senator John J. Crittendon of Kentucky had two sons who became major generals during the Civil War: one for the North, one for the South."

Good morning, Snippy. Love it when you give facts like this.

From the "Civil War Trivia and Fact Book" by Webb Garrison, it says there were 20 generals who served in the War Between the States (for BOTH sides) from the West Point class of 1841. Counting other years until about 1859, the numbers are even higher.

"• Ulysses S. Grant was not fond of ceremonies or military music. He said he could only recognize two tunes. "One was Yankee Doodle," he grumbled. "The other one wasn’t."

Music played an important part of the war. Robert E. Lee said no army should go to war without its musicians (paraphrasing here). J.E.B. Stuart of the C.S.A. kept a banjo player on his headquarters staff. Music, especially bugles, were used for communication to call the troops to regroup, retreat, charge, lights out, etc.
8 posted on 05/22/2005 5:25:56 AM PDT by Humal
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Good morning everyone.

9 posted on 05/22/2005 5:37:21 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning Snippy, Today my son finally Gradurates and next is Marine boot camp in July. The bar is open now and the beer is on me. HOO RAH.


10 posted on 05/22/2005 5:38:21 AM PDT by weldgophardline (God Bless the TROOPS and President BUSH)
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May 22, 2005

What Does God Like?

Read:
Ephesians 5:15-21

Be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. -Ephesians 5:18-19

Bible In One Year: Psalm 124-126

cover Some churches have become divided over styles of worship. One group may be insisting on a traditional service, while another is agitating for a more contemporary format.

We can all profit from a lesson a man learned on a business trip after attending a church service near his hotel. He talked with the pastor about how he had been blessed by the sermon, even though some of the worship time was not to his liking.

The pastor simply asked, "What was it you think God didn't like?" The man had the grace to reply, "I don't suppose there was anything He didn't like. I was talking about my own reaction. But worship isn't really about me, is it?"

We are entitled to our own preferences, and we must hold firmly to our biblical convictions. But before we voice our fault-finding opinions, let's seriously try to understand God's viewpoint. Consider Ephesians 5 in the light of worship: We are to be filled with the Spirit, speak to each other in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, give thanks to God, and submit to one another (vv.19,21).

Whatever the style of worship, as we express to God our praise for who He is and all He has done, we lift Him up and encourage others. That's what God likes. -Vernon Grounds

Let us celebrate together,
Lift our voice in one accord,
Singing of God's grace and mercy
And the goodness of the Lord. -Sper

At the heart of worship is worship from the heart.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
What Is Worship?
The Church We Need

11 posted on 05/22/2005 5:45:44 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: snippy_about_it

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on May 22:
1671 Abraham Patras Governor-General of East-Indies (1735-37)
1780 Jan Emmanuel Dulezalek composer
1804 John William (Turk) Livingston Commander (Union Navy), died in 1885
1813 Richard Wagner Leipzig Germany, composer (Ring, Flying Dutchman)
1821 Alfred Sully Brevet Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1879
1828 Albrecht Gräfe pioneer eye surgeon; founded modern ophthalmology
1844 Mary Cassatt US, Impressionist painter (Woman Bathing)
1859 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle UK, author-brought Sherlock Holmes to life...twice
1891 Robert Gordon Sproul educator/college president (University of California)
1897 Robert Neumann Austrian/British author (Waters of Babylon)
1902 Al Simmons Milwaukee WI, outfielder (A's)/lifetime batting average of .334
1906 Harry Ritz US comic (Ritz Brothers-Silent Movie)
1907 Sir Laurence Olivier actor (Rebecca, Hamlet, The Boys from Brazil,Khartoum, Othello)
1910 Johnny Olson TV announcer (Price is Right)
1911 Anatol Rapoport Russian/US mathematician/biologist (game theory)
1920 Thomas Gold astronomer (proposed steady-state theory of universe)
1922 Judith Crist New York NY, movie critic (TV Guide)
1924 Charles Aznavour [Chahnour Varinag Aznavourian] Paris France, French-Armenian singer (Monsieur Carnavel, Tin Drum)
1927 Michael Constantine Reading PA, actor (Room 222, Don't Drink the Water)
1928 Roscoe Robinson US gospel singer
1928 T Boone Pickens CEO (Shamrock, Mesa Petroleum Co)
1938 Frank Converse actor (It's About Time, Dr Cook's Garden, Movin' On)
1938 Richard Benjamin New York NY, director/actor (Goodbye Columbus, He & She)
1940 Bernard Shaw news correspondant (CBS, CNN)
1941 Paul Winfield Los Angeles CA, actor (Star Trek II, Huckleberry Finn, Mars Attacks)
1943 Tommy John pitcher (Yankee/Dodger)
1950 Bernie Taupin lyricist, writes with Elton John
1952 Jan Todd woman power lifter, once lifted 248 kg in a squat
1953 John Edward Stevens New York NY, bank robber (FBI Most Wanted List)
1970 Naomi Campbell London England, model/actress (Cool as Ice, Unzipped)
1972 or 1639 (experts differ) M0sby born inventor of the Inside the Shell Egg Scrambler, World famous theoretical physicist working on just where does the odd sock go.
Rumor has it that she has the ability to
rub and scrub till the house shines just like a dime
Feed the baby
Grease the car
Powder my nose at the same time

"Because time itself is like a spiral, something special happens on your birthday each year: The same energy that God invested in you at birth is present once again."



Deaths which occurred on May 22:
0337 Constantine the Great emperor of Rome (306-37)/anti semite, dies
0987 Louis V le Faineant the Lazy, king of France (986-87), poisoned at 20
1667 Alexander VII [Fabio Chigi] Italian Pope (1655-67), dies at 68
1688 Johann A Quenstedt German Lutheran theologist, dies at 70
1868 Julius Plücker German mathematician/physicist (formula of P), dies
1885 Victor(-Marie) Hugo French writer (Les Misérables), dies at 83
1925 John Denton Pinkstone French British field marshall (WWI), dies at 72
1928 William Gairdner English missionary (Nile Mission Press), dies at 54
1949 Klaus H T Mann German/US writer (Turning Point), dies
1965 Heinrich Barth Swiss philosopher (Das Sein in der Zeit), dies
1967 [James Mercer] Langston Hughes US author (Tambourines to Glory), dies at 65
1972 Margaret Rutherford English actress (The Importance of Being Earnest,Murder She Said, Murder Ahoy), dies at 80
1990 Rocky Graziano boxer, dies at 71, of heart failure



GWOT Casualties

Iraq
22-May-2003 1 | US: 0 | UK: 1 | Other: 0
UK Civilian Leonard Harvey Hospital Non-hostile - illness

21-May-2004 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Staff Sergeant Jeremy R. Horton Mahmudiyah (near) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US Lance Corporal Andrew J. Zabierek Fallujah (near) Hostile - vehicle accident


Afghanistan
A Good Day

http://icasualties.org/oif/
Data research by Pat Kneisler
Designed and maintained by Michael White


On this day...
0012 BC A daytime meteor shower, possibly Zeta Perseid observed in China
0760 14th recorded perihelion passage of Halley's Comet
1176 Murder attempt by "Assassins" on Saladin near Aleppo
1200 Peace of Goulet
1370 Jews are expelled/massacred from Brussels Belgium
1455 Open battle in England's 30-year War of the Roses (St Albans)
1455 Richard of York takes St Albans, kidnapping King Henry VI
1570 1st atlas, with 70 maps, published
1659 France, England & Netherlands sign "Hedges Concerto" treaty
1712 Emperor Karel VI crowned king of Hungary
1761 1st life insurance policy in US, issued in Philadelphia
1784 Ceylonese student leader Pieter Quint Ondaatje demands democracy
1803 1st public library opens (Connecticut)
1807 Former Vice President Aaron Burr is tried for treason in Richmond VA (acquitted)
1807 Townsend Speakman 1st sells fruit-flavored carbonated drinks (Philadelphia)
1819 1st steam propelled vessel to cross Atlantic (leaves Savannah GA)
1836 Felix Mendelssohn's oratorium "St Paul" premieres in Düsseldorf
1843 1st wagon train, 1000+ departs Independence MO for Oregon
1849 Abraham Lincoln patents a buoying device
1856 Violence in Senate, South Carolina Representative Brooks used a cane on Massachusetts Senator Sumner
1858 Confederación Granadina (now Colombia) forms
1863 General Grant begins siege on Vicksburg
1863 War Department establishes Bureau of Colored Troops
1864 Battle of North Anna River VA (Totopotamy River, Haw's Shop, Hanovertown)
1868 Great Train Robbery; 7 men (Reno Brothers) make off with $98,000 in cash
1872 Amnesty Act restores civil rights to Southerners (except for 500)
1883 Cub's Billy Sunday's 1st at bat, begins 14 consecutive strike-outs
1884 1-armed pitcher Hugh Daily fanned 13 hitters
1888 Leroy Buffington patents a system to build skyscrapers
1891 1st motion picture shown to National Federation of Women's Clubs
1892 Dr Washington Sheffield invents toothpaste tube
1900 Associated Press organizes in NYC as non-profit news cooperative
1906 Wright Brothers patent an aeroplane
1911 Braves pitcher, Cliff Curtis, loses his 23rd game in a row (Now that's what I call a slump)
1915 Local train collides with troop train killing 226 (Gretna Scotland)
1916 French troops occupy parts of Fort Douaumont Verdun
1923 Stanley Baldwin succeeds Andrew Bonar Law as British premier
1926 "Five Foot Two, Eyes of Blue" by Gene Austin hits #1
1926 Chiang Kai-shek replaces communists in Guomindang China
1927 8.3 earthquake strikes Nan-Shan China, 200,000 killed
1928 US Congress accept Jones-White Merchant Naval Act
1930 Ruth hits 3 consecutive homeruns (8th-10th of 60 in 1930)
1930 Yankee "Bronx Bombers" hit 14 homeruns in a game
1931 Canned rattlesnake meat 1st goes on sale in Florida (Tastes just like chicken)
1933 Loch Ness Monster is 1st reportedly sighted by John Mackay
1933 World Trade Day/National Maritime Day 1st celebrated
1938 Dodgers announce contracts to install lights at Ebbets Field
1939 Hitler & Mussolini sign "Pact of Steel"
1941 British troops attack Baghdad
1942 México declares war on Nazi-Germany & Japan
1943 1st(?) jet fighter is tested
1943 Stalin disbands Komintern
1945 6th Marine division reaches suburbs of Naha Okinawa
1947 "Truman Doctrine" goes into effect, aiding Turkey & Greece
1947 1st US ballistic missile fired
1953 President Eisenhower signs Offshore Oil Bill
1954 KREX TV channel 5 in Grand Junction CO (CBS) begins broadcasting
1954 Robert Zimmerman aka Bob Dylan is Bar Mitzvahed
1956 "Bob Hope Show" last airs on NBC-TV
1957 Red Sox set American League record by smashing 4 homeruns in 6th inning in 11-0 win
1957 South Africa Government approves race separation in universities
1959 Benjamin O Davis Jr becomes 1st black general-major in USAF
1960 Virtually all coastal towns between 37th & 44th parallels severely damaged by tsunami that strikes Hilo HI at 01:04 AM
1961 "Mother-In-Law" by Ernie K-Doe hits #1
1961 1st revolving restaurant (Top Of The Space Needle in Seattle), opens
1962 Robert A Rushworth, USAF major, takes X-15 to 30,600 meters
1962 Roger Maris walks 5 times (record 4 intentionally) in a 9 inning game
1963 Mickey Mantle hits a ball off Yankee Stadium's facade
1964 LBJ presents "Great Society" (Well THAT worked real well)
1965 Beatles' "Ticket to Ride" single goes #1
1965 Mad Dog Vachon beats Igor Vodic in Omaha, to become NWA champion
1967 "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" debuts on NET (now PBS)
1967 Egyptian president Nasser closes Straits of Tiran to Israel
1969 Stafford & Cernan pilot Apollo 10 LEM 9.4 miles (15km) above lunar surface
1970 Arab terrorists kill 9 children & 3 adults on a school bus
1972 Ceylon becomes Republic of Sri Lanka as its constitution is ratified
1972 Ton Sijbrands becomes world checker champion
1972 US President Nixon begins visit Moscow
1973 President Nixon confesses his role in Watergate cover-up
1977 Final European scheduled run of the Orient Express (94 years)
1979 Canadians elect conservatives, Joseph Clark replaces Pierre Trudeau
1980 Marlo Thomas & Phil Donahue marry
1981 Soyuz 40 returns to Earth
1985 Pete Rose 2,108th run passes Hank Aaron as National League run scoring leader
1985 US sailor Michael L Walker arrested for spying for USSR
1987 30 killed in a Texas tornado
1990 Microsoft releases Windows 3.0
1990 North & South Yemen merge to form Republic of Yemen
1992 Johnny Carson's final appearance as host of the Tonight Show
1993 Riddick Bowe TKOs Jesse Ferguson in 2 for heavyweight boxing title
1995 The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that states cannot limit service in Congress without amending the Constitution
1997 Kelly Flinn, the Air Force's first female bomber pilot certified for combat, accepted a general discharge, thereby avoiding court-martial on charges of adultery, lying and disobeying an order.
2000 A committee of the Arkansas Supreme Court recommended that President Clinton be disbarred for giving false testimony about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. (Clinton later agreed to give up his Arkansas law license for five years.)
2001 The Taliban of Afghanistan decreed an edict that would require non-Muslims to wear distinguishing clothing
2002 Bobby Frank Cherry (71), former Alabama Klansman, was convicted for the Sep 14, 1963, murder of 4 Black girls at the 16th Street Baptist Church. The jury sent him to prison for life.
2004 Filmmaker Michael "two cheeseburger" Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," wins the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Angel's Camp CA : Jumping Frog Jubilee Day
Haiti : National Sovereignty Day
Sri Lanka : Republic Day (1972)
Poppy Week Begins
Buy a Musical Instrument Day
US : National Maritime Day
National Digestive Disease Awareness Month


Religious Observances
Roman Catholic : Commemoration of St Rita of Cascia, widow; invoked in desperate cases
Orthodox : Translat of Relics of St Nicholas the Wonderworker
Feast of St. Basilicus, martyr.


Religious History
1541 In Germany, the Ratisbon (Regensburg) Conference ended, its mission to reunify the Catholic Church having failed. From this time on, the Protestant movement became permanent.
1740 English revivalist George Whitefield wrote in a letter: 'We must all have the spirit of martyrdom, though we may not all die martyrs.'
1868 Birth of William R. Newell, American clergyman and devotional writer. He published expository works on the Bible, and is remembered today as author of the hymn, "At Calvary" (a.k.a. "Years I Spent in Vanity and Pride").
1944 The Gospel Mission of South America was founded by William M. Strong in Concepcion, Chile. An interdenominational Protestant missions agency, its headquarters moved to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida in 1975.
1967 The General Assembly of the Southern Presbyterian Church (PCUS) adopted the Confession of 1967. It was the first major declaration of faith adopted by this branch of Protestantism since the Westminster Confession of 1647.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.



Thought for the day :
"Faith is not belief. Belief is passive. Faith is active."


12 posted on 05/22/2005 6:32:21 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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• Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest had 30 horses shot from under him and personally killed 31 men in hand-to-hand combat. "I was a horse ahead at the end," he said.

"The most remarkable man our Civil War produced on either side . . . he should be hunted down and killed if it costs ten thousand lives and bankrupts the Federal treasury."
~Gen. William T. Sherman

"General Forrest, I wish to congratulate you and those brave men moving across that field like veteran infantry upon their magnificent behavior. In Virginia I made myself extremely unpopular with the cavalry because I said that so far I had not seen a dead man with spurs on. No one could speak disparagingly of such troops as yours."
~Gen. Daniel H. Hill at the battle of Chickamauga


13 posted on 05/22/2005 8:25:31 AM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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To: weldgophardline
Weld County? Born in Greeley, myself, long before the place was so, well, Modern.

God Bless you and yours.

The Corps is a remarkable organization. Your son will meet some good men.

14 posted on 05/22/2005 10:08:14 AM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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To: w_over_w

In my opinion Nathan Bedford Forrest was the greatest Anglo fighting man since Robert the Bruce.

W.T. Sherman was very talented, having the confidence of U.S. Grant. I think his evaluation of Forrest has merit.

Imagine what might have happened if Forrest had had Jefferson Davis' job.


15 posted on 05/22/2005 10:22:02 AM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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To: snippy_about_it
At the start of the war, the value of all manufactured goods produced in all the Confederate states added up to less than one-fourth of those produced in New York State alone.

IMHO, that's the main reason the South could never win a modern conventional war/war of attrition.

16 posted on 05/22/2005 10:28:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Why can't we just spell it orderves?)
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To: weldgophardline

Congratulations! I'll take one of those beers even if it isn't noon yet. :-)


17 posted on 05/22/2005 10:28:42 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Iris7
Imagine what might have happened if Forrest had had Jefferson Davis' job.

Perhaps as I continue my CW reading/studies I'll be able to one day. In the meantime, I would gladly welcome your insight and comments on a Forrest Presidency.

BTW, three weeks from today (probably at this very moment), I'll be trooping through the Gettysburg Battlefield. I haven't forgotten your request for pics of certain coordinates. I'm really excited about this trip.

18 posted on 05/22/2005 10:36:02 AM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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To: w_over_w
One fine General and quite a good looking gentleman, imo.


19 posted on 05/22/2005 10:36:58 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6

Beautiful painting, thanks.


20 posted on 05/22/2005 10:37:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
1964 LBJ presents "Great Society" (Well THAT worked real well)

Forty years later with a Republican House, Senate and Presidency, do you think we've finally figured out the RAT party? Some red states have.

Is the sun shining today? ;^)

21 posted on 05/22/2005 11:05:34 AM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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To: w_over_w
Imagination is a weak reed, for me as for others, but.....unavoidably delicious!!!!!!

Forrest had a true vision of how the Confederacy could prevail, I believe. (Sorry, SAM. Maybe I am just a romantic!!) A long shot, though.

The attrition war Lincoln sought could have been avoided by heavy attacks into deep rear areas, "Corps" level unhinging warfare. ("Operational Art" some call it these days.) As Federal logistics required the railroads, a Shermanesque, even Sheridan-in-the-Valley approach, that is, twist the hot rails around trees and burn everything burnable was in order. Go all the way to Buffalo. (By the way, this approach was advocated as the only hope by - ready? - Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson.)

The war was pretty much over with the abandonment of Harper's Ferry. Stonewall could see that the Ohio headwaters and the B&O were the center of gravity in the North. Hold there, and maybe keep Kentucky. Then maybe contest navigation on the Ohio and Mississippi. Maybe Victory. Jackson had uncanny insight.

The loss of West Virginia was a crushing blow.

To forestall the possibility of Confederate success in Kentucky Grant moved on Forts Henry and Donelson. (Notice Bragg milled around like an idiot.) The war was lost in February 1962. Forrest was there, and boy, was he angry. That the CSA commanders were "drunken cowards" is the gist of his report.

One thing SAM has right is that every way the Confederacy could turn they had a serious problem with lack of heavy industry.

I don't see how the Confederacy could have dealt with the naval blockade.

Attempt the old dream of "the tactical defensive, the strategic offensive." Better yet, go with Robert Edward Lee when he asked Davis to sue for peace after the Seven Days. (The letter survives.) Ask the English to mediate. A Cease Fire in Place was possible, with relaxation of the Blockade. (I don't know this for sure, naturally.) Promise to come back into the Union, send Congressmen back, pull Lincoln's plug. Keep the Republic.

One of these days I am going to drive and walk the approach routes, railroads, etc. to Gettysburg and spend a few days walking the field. Most important piece of ground in North America.

22 posted on 05/22/2005 11:33:12 AM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor
Good afternoon ladies. Flag-o-Gram.


Members of the Golden Knights parachute into Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Heaton Pavilion parade field at noon May 19. Bernard S. Little

OMG, they're coming from every direction size.


B y Bernard S. Little

May 20, 2005

Walter Reed patient Sgt. Paul Statzer receives the baton from the Golden Knights that they used during their jump at the medical center May 19.

Get a hanky size.

Read all about it.

23 posted on 05/22/2005 12:14:02 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? Do you really think there is any doubt?)
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To: snippy_about_it
Just a quick note to let y'all know that I'm still alive. I have "inherited" my 3 year old niece, and let me tell you, taking care of a 3 year old takes up way more hours than there are in a day!
24 posted on 05/22/2005 12:15:57 PM PDT by aomagrat (Where weapons are not allowed, it is best to carry weapons.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Go Army!


25 posted on 05/22/2005 12:24:23 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
• Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., future chief Justice, was wounded three times during the Civil War: in the chest at Ball’s Bluff, in the back at Antietam and in the heel at Chancellorsville.

Lemme guess. He didn't need these?


26 posted on 05/22/2005 12:24:48 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? Do you really think there is any doubt?)
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To: w_over_w

Worked about as well as FDR's "New Deal". /sarcasm

The sun shines, 10 minutes later it's cloudy for a hour. Can't make up it's mind.


27 posted on 05/22/2005 12:25:30 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
• In March 1862, European powers watched in worried fascination as the Monitor and Merrimack battled off Hampton Roads, Va. From then on, after these ironclads opened fire, every other navy on earth was obsolete.

Heh heh heh Good ole 'Mahr-ican know how!

28 posted on 05/22/2005 12:27:36 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? Do you really think there is any doubt?)
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To: w_over_w

Wear your California warm weather clothes. It's hot in June and there is little shade on some of those open battlefields.


29 posted on 05/22/2005 12:28:21 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather


30 posted on 05/22/2005 12:31:18 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? Do you really think there is any doubt?)
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To: Valin; Peanut Gallery
1849 Abraham Lincoln patents a buoying device


On May 22, 1849, Abraham Lincoln received Patent No. 6469 for a device to lift boats over shoals, an invention which was never manufactured. However, it did make him the only U.S. president to hold a patent. Shown here is his scale model at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

31 posted on 05/22/2005 12:38:22 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? Do you really think there is any doubt?)
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To: snippy_about_it

Howdy ma'am

Business keeping you busy?


32 posted on 05/22/2005 12:44:16 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? Do you really think there is any doubt?)
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To: Professional Engineer
Business keeping you busy?

Not as much as I'd like. :-)

We are supposed to be headed for a dry spell and finally folks will be able to get out into their yards, then we'll be real busy.

33 posted on 05/22/2005 1:27:27 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather; Darksheare; PhilDragoo; Matthew Paul; All
Good afternoon everyone!

To all our military men and women past and present, military family members, and to our allies who stand beside us
Thank You!

I hope y'all are having a wonderful, relaxing Sunday afternoon.


34 posted on 05/22/2005 1:58:02 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: Humal

If memory serves "Dixie" was Lincoln's favorite song.
/irony


35 posted on 05/22/2005 3:53:21 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: w_over_w

Is the sun shining today? ;^)

It is right now. Long range forecast shows.....(wait of it)....clouds and rain. OH BOY

Quack Quack...that's my other duck impersonation


36 posted on 05/22/2005 3:57:12 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: snippy_about_it

I was looking for something else, when I ran across this

An Englishman's Journey Through the Confederacy



Suave, gentlemanly Lt. Col. Arthur Fremantle of Her Majesty's Coldstream Guards picked an unusual vacation spot: the Civil War-torn United States.
http://www.thehistorynet.com/acw/blenglishmans_journey/


37 posted on 05/22/2005 4:15:38 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Off topic alert
Newsweek: America is dead (U.S. Flag Shown in Trashcan on Cover!)
Riding Sun Blog ^ | 5/23/2005 01:17:00 | GaijinBiker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1408214/posts

Posted on 05/22/2005 1:12:32 PM CDT by FreedomCalls

They're really doing a bangup job of pissing me off!


38 posted on 05/22/2005 5:14:42 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: radu

Howdy radu!!


How's it going today??


39 posted on 05/22/2005 5:22:15 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Valin

"If memory serves "Dixie" was Lincoln's favorite song.
/irony"

I'm not sure if it was his "favorite", but Lincoln had insisted that it be played the night he was shot. BTW, "Dixie" was composed by a Yankee. :-)


40 posted on 05/22/2005 5:28:57 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Iris7; SAMWolf
Attempt the old dream of "the tactical defensive, the strategic offensive." Better yet, go with Robert Edward Lee when he asked Davis to sue for peace after the Seven Days. (The letter survives.) Ask the English to mediate. A Cease Fire in Place was possible, with relaxation of the Blockade. (I don't know this for sure, naturally.) Promise to come back into the Union, send Congressmen back, pull Lincoln's plug. Keep the Republic.

I see your point about imagination being "unavoidably delicious". Clearly nobody can subscribe to a monolithic scheme of causation. When asked outright, "who won the war", Shelby Foote's response, "I can tell you who lost." He further stated that it was the robber barons of late in the century who "won". What was gained that could not have been gained without a war. Truly on the face of it the North won. But at what price? I digress.

I guess I asked the question regarding a "Forrest Presidency" because while Forrest might have been brilliant in allocating resources and strategies against a preponderance in men and economic industry of the North, the South never had the transportation system that could evolve a command or logistical system adequate to do the job.

Politically, the South was so distracted unto desperation by internal strife that there was never any wisdom from a congress or even public virtue among the people.

I begin to understand why Lee saw that the full and total annihilation of the Army of the Potomac could "possibly" bring a negotiation for peace and then perhaps a more willing Europe could have intervened.

I think we all would agree that a N.B. Forrest never relied on "laws of successful" war. He never worked things out by rule. I have yet to read anywhere (so please correct me if I'm wrong) his quoting a Napoleon or Frederick. While others worked out problems of an ideal character on a blackboard, Forrest "split in two and charged both ways". It helps when you're a natural genius. He was born to be a soldier.

41 posted on 05/22/2005 5:31:50 PM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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To: snippy_about_it
Wear your California warm weather clothes. It's hot in June and there is little shade on some of those open battlefields.

Uhhh . . . mam'. . . you're talkin to a Texan and a LSU boy. I'm quite familiar with the "unforgiving" Southern Summers.

But THANKS anyway MOM! ;^)

I haven't forgotten about your Sis, so I'll be talking to you later about that.

42 posted on 05/22/2005 5:36:17 PM PDT by w_over_w (We can't all be heroes because someone has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)
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To: Humal
OH OH! I MAY of learned something. gulp
43 posted on 05/22/2005 5:42:57 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin

oooh. I like it. I should make it a thread.


44 posted on 05/22/2005 7:06:45 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: aomagrat

LOL. Thanks for checking in. We were starting to wonder. Thought you must be getting loads of overtime. I guess you are, in a way. Enjoy the little one, sounds like fun!


45 posted on 05/22/2005 7:08:15 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: w_over_w
He was born to be a soldier.

Amen.

46 posted on 05/22/2005 7:09:39 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Feel free!


47 posted on 05/22/2005 7:10:23 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: w_over_w
...you're talkin to a Texan and a LSU boy

Yes, but you're also a man. I find those types often need 'reminding'. ;-)

48 posted on 05/22/2005 7:11:19 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: w_over_w
Agree in every particular. As for Forrest, he never reached his full extension. One cannot say where events would have become too much for him.

The Confederacy's political and logistic problems do seem impossible to me also. The technological and productive edge of the North was too great. The new mass media was nearly completely a Northern monopoly - hearts and minds, and all that. A very powerful weapon in it's day.

Maybe the Confederacy could have won in 1850, certainly in 1835, but not in 1861. Perhaps if the Southerners had been more like William Clarke Quantrill instead of like Jefferson Davis, though that would be an unpleasant scenario indeed.
49 posted on 05/22/2005 7:17:27 PM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Aeronaut; alfa6; E.G.C.; GailA; Humal; bentfeather; weldgophardline; ...
1864 Battle of North Anna River VA (Totopotamy River, Haw's Shop, Hanovertown)

My great-great-grandfather "Preacher" Samuel did not serve in the Civil War but his two brothers John Nelson and Belteshazzar did, the latter being killed on the North Anna River in Virginia May 25, 1864. Belteshazzar was named after his grandfather and great grandfather, the latter my great to the fifth for whom the DAR erected this monument:


Monument erected by the D.A.R. near Ripley, Ohio honoring Belteshazzar
Dragoo--an early settler of Brown County and a soldier in the Revolutionary War.
"To commemorate the first settlement in Brown County, 0. made by Belteshazzar Dragoo in 1794."
They provided a photocopy of a 1774 pay sheet from Ft. Pitt listing Belteshazzar Dragoo.
There's room on the top stone for Michael Moore's still-beating heart if he wants to keep it up.


A Revolution in Military Affairs


Hell needed Japanese translators so my father joined with the crew of Sara finding applicants.

50 posted on 05/22/2005 9:39:39 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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