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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Mosquito Fleet (PT Boats) - Aug. 22, 2005
www.dav.org ^ | Rob Lewis

Posted on 08/21/2005 9:22:12 PM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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PT Boats
The Story of the Mosquito Fleet

Like all great stories, those that are the mythology of PT boats in World War II are a fascinating blend of fact and fiction.

It's not surprising that the tales of PT boats still hold captive the imagination of history seekers today. Decades after nearly all of the Navy's operational Pacific-based PT boats were torched Viking-funeral style on the beaches of Samar Island in the Philippines in the days following Allied victory in the Pacific, the lore of Motor Torpedo boats is kept alive most notably by the greatest American mythology of the last century--the Kennedy presidency.

The PT boat towed down Pennsylvania Avenue at President Kennedy's inauguration in 1960 allowed him to visibly connect with his war hero image, even while ushering in a new generation of hope and prosperity with his youth and vigor. And when "Camelot" came crashing down with an assassin's bullet in 1963, only 20 years after the sinking of PT 109 near the Solomon Islands made its skipper a hero, PT boats became forever linked with JFK, one of the DAV's most famous members.

When the discovery of PT 109's wreckage made waves in newspapers late last year, it was not surprising to many PT boat veterans, even though they say the elements that made PT 109 so famous–individual heroics and high speed collisions–aren't typical of service in the "Mosquito Fleet."



"Kennedy made a big name for PT boats with the movie and his inaugural parade," said Warren Mills, a motor machinists mate on PTs 323 and 328 in the Pacific. "People used to joke around and call us 'glamour boats,' because we got a famous reputation for doing a pretty good job of minimizing enemy island traffic in the South Pacific."

This famous reputation began on March 11, 1942, with the heroic rescue of Gen. Douglas MacArthur from Corregidor as the Philippines fell to the Japanese. The 35-hour, 580-mile trip through the Japanese-held sea from Corregidor to Mindanao was skippered by Lt. John D. Bulkely on PT 41. Months later, Lt. Bulkely received the Medal of Honor for his daring voyage, but, more importantly, his heroism had given hope and spirit to a nation shell-shocked by the attack on Pearl Harbor.

When a triumphant MacArthur returned to reclaim the Philippines less than three years later, he would land ashore aboard PT 373. By this time, the number of PT boats in the Pacific had jumped from 18 to 212 vessels, despite earlier disdain from ranking Navy brass.


Tells story of MacArthur's escape from the Philippines on the RON 3 boats. This appeared only shortly after the incident.
Yachting Apr 42
Rudder May 42


Squadron 4 was designated as the PT fleet's training squadron by the Secretary of the Navy in 1942, and found a headquarters at Melville, R.I. The Motor Torpedo Boat Training Center at Melville used combat veterans as instructors to train both officers and enlisted men who would serve in all facets of PT service. By mid-1945, the center had trained more than 1,800 officers and 12,000 enlisted men.

The increase in boats and crewmen was in direct proportion to the frustration PT boats brought to the enemy in the Pacific, English Channel, and Mediterranean.

Called "green dragons" and "devil boats" by the Japanese, the PTs used a combination of gunfire and torpedoes in high seas hit-and-run operations, before zigzagging away behind a smokescreen. In contrast to the largely exaggerated claims of PT boat attacks on Japanese destroyers, the boats had really earned their keep in the Pacific fleet with successful attacks on Japanese barges and shore batteries.


The stories out of the Philippines are just getting into the magazines, and Elco is there with "In Action at Manila!", listing some of the PTs' exploits.
Yachting, Rudder Mar 42


The two standard boats were built by the Electric Launch Company (Elco), Bayonne, N.J., which made the 80-footers that saw duty mainly in the Pacific, and the Higgins Boat Company, New Orleans, La., which crafted the 78-footers used primarily in the Atlantic and Mediterranean. The plywood-hulled boats usually had crews of 12,Ð2 officers and 10 enlisted men, or "bluejackets," and were armed with four .50-caliber machine guns (sometimes other guns were added) and four torpedoes. PT boats were propelled to speeds of nearly 40 knots by three 1,200 horsepower Packard engines.

Every knot of speed the boats could muster was essential: There wasn't an ounce of armor on the boats, a fact that didn't escape John Ashworth, a motor machinist's mate on PTs 187 and 330.

Mr. Ashworth, a DAV life member from Tampa, Fla., was among thousands of young sailors who had heard the stories of glory and adventure in the Mosquito Fleet, but turned down the chance to volunteer for PT boat service when the opportunity was presented to him in boot camp. (This dispels the long-held falsehood that all PT boat servicemen volunteered for the duty, although nearly all skippers and officers were volunteers.) When he was selected for PT boat duty anyway, Mr. Ashworth reported for duty at the New York Navy Yard in Brooklyn captivated by tales of glory about the "Knights of the Sea."



"One day I boarded my boat and saw a gunner's mate cleaning a loaded .45-caliber pistol. It went off, but he wasn't hurt, thank God, but I noticed something that disturbed me," Mr. Ashworth recalled. "The bullet went through the deck and the rest of the boat, and exited through the hull. We had to rush to plug the leak and fix the hole.

"I started thinking about all the lead that would be flying at us over there, then I wondered what I had gotten myself into."

Warren Mills believed that the speed of the boats is what kept its crew from losing sleep.

"We could get away from a lot of things with our combination of speed and maneuverability," Mr. Mills said. "We spent a lot of nights blasting away at shore batteries and keeping Japanese barges from fortifying islands with their troops.

"It was a lot like a drive-by shooting. We'd zoom up to a barge and release our torpedoes, or even swing by and strafe them with our guns."


Now in the Solomons, the port gunner on a 77 footer is strafing a destroyer.
Yachting/Rudder Dec 42


But Mr. Mills also learned first-hand of the vulnerability of motor torpedo boats when speed was removed from the equation. Shortly after being transferred to PT 323 (he had literally drawn the shortest straw), MM3 Mills was below deck in his boat, which was sitting still in the waters of Leyte Gulf, when the general quarters bell sounded.

"I knew something was wrong because the alarm sounded, and we didn't start moving," Mr. Mills said. "What I didn't know was that four Japanese Zeros (fighter planes) had attacked, and our skipper and executive officer had been killed.

"We were just sitting ducks, dead in the water."

MM3 Mills immediately assisted the "fantail" gunner at the rear of the ship, and the surviving crew members were able to successfully repel the assault until a damaged Zero crashed into the PT boat. The suicide attack hit mid-ship, knocking several men into the water, but amazingly the only deaths were the two officers killed in the initial attack.


Action in the Slot
The Slot was the route from Bougainville to Guadalcanal, running between New Georgia and Choiseul Islands, the main invasion route for the Japanese Navy to run the Marines off Henderson Field. Also called Ironbottom Sound. Nightly, the Japanese would run reinforcements to Guadalcanal, and bombard the US Marines defending it. Our Navy would send out any available forces to try to stop them, in this case, a PT Boat.


"The water rushing in actually put out the fire in the engine room, which may have kept the boat from exploding," Mr. Mills recalled.

While the last-ditch suicide attacks proved costly to the PT boats, operating at night kept them safe from most aerial attacks. It was often the unseen dangers that haunted the Mosquito Fleet on their nocturnal voyages.

Often the greatest danger to PT boats was operating in shallow reef areas. Grounded boats, along with encounters with mines, were all too common on barge hunting and recon missions, and the night patrols, some as long as 300 miles, stripped the nerves of bluejackets and officers alike.


An American PT boat churns up a wake on patrol off of New Guinea, 1943.


During the day, the bluejackets got some sleep, made repairs, and prepared for the next night's mission. At the start of the war, a lack of PT bases led to the creation of PT tenders–floating mother ships where PT boats could get supplies, gasoline, messing, showers, electric and engine repairs. Some tenders even towed floating dry docks.

The heat of the South Pacific was dreadful, and PT boaters adapted by sleeping under makeshift tents on deck and altering their clothing to less-than-regulation standards.

"Most of the time, you'd find us in shorts and sandals only. Officers were the only guys who wore shirts," Mr. Mills said. "That didn't help our glamour boat reputation."

While the PT boats' success in the Pacific, especially during the long and bloody Solomon Islands campaign, has always garnered the most attention, the Mosquito Fleet also made its presence known in the Mediterranean and the English Channel, including duty off the Normandy coast during the D-Day invasion.


Some of the early Elcos (ex PTs 10-19) went to the Brits as "MTBs". They were outfitted a bit differently- single pair of British 21" torpedo tubes, a pair of dual Lewis 30's, and the aerials. They saw action in the Med, including at Tobruk.
Yachting Aug 42


"D-day was originally planned for June 5, so we departed on the fourth," said Shelton Bosley, a gunner's mate on PT 507, one of 12 PT boats in Squadron 34's D-day force. "We were lucky to be intercepted by a friendly destroyer and told of the delay."

"In the invasion, our PT boats were used to escort minesweepers on the western flank of the Normandy invasion," Mr. Bosley said.

Beyond D-day, the primary mission of PT boats on the European front of World War II was attacking surface ships and craft, and disrupting supply ships and troop movements. PT boats in Europe were also used to lay mines and to carry out intelligence work.

In Europe, the missions for PT boats often lasted as long as 10 days, which meant that the boats had to sacrifice the luxury of the cover of darkness. On these long missions, the boats were used to draw gunfire from shore batteries that would be pounded the next day by Allied ships.


Yachting/Rudder 8/44


"We went into the English Channel thinking U-boats would be our biggest menace, but minesweepers proved to be our main target," Mr. Bosley said. "We spent a lot of time near the heavily fortified Channel Islands trying to prevent Hitler from unloading supplies and troops."

On Aug. 16, 1944, six PT boats patrolling the Channel Islands, less than a mile off Jersey Island, found themselves in a confrontation with a German minesweeper in pea-soup fog and suffered one of their most horrible losses of the war.

Sixteen men from the group were killed, including nearly the entire crew of PT 509, which lost its skipper in the gunfight and accidentally rammed the German ship.

"The only survivor on the 509, John Page, later said that the stunned German crew just opened fire on the survivors in the PT boat, which was stuck in the side of the minesweeper," Mr. Bosley said. "Page had more than 30 wounds, but survived the attack."



John Page was taken prisoner aboard the enemy ship, where his wounds were treated. Later, a skilled German surgeon saved his life, and he remained a prisoner of war until 1945.

In addition to the 16 killed in the battle, nine more were wounded.

"It was dangerous duty, there's no doubt about it, but I was 18 years old, sitting behind the twin .50 calibers, and I got excited every time the engines were opened full-throttle," Mr. Bosely recalled. "At the same time, you're sitting on a plywood boat with 3,000 gallons of gasoline, torpedoes, and ammunition. If you're hit, you're done.

"We once had a gas tank hit by a 20-mm German shell that turned out to be a dud. It makes me think about how lucky we were out there. Fate can be both kind and cruel."

All too often, historians are callous in assessing victory and loss in naval battles. The water-bound showdowns are gauged by the number of ships destroyed and damaged. The human element–the pain, suffering, and loss experienced by sailors–has a way of getting lost in the bellies of those floating steel beasts.



But aboard PT boats, the loss could be as intimate as the proximity to the enemy. The relatively small size of the boats produced a tight-knit closeness unimaginable on larger ships, which were virtually floating cities. Perhaps this intimacy in the most hazardous of environments, rather than the wild war stories, the movies, books, the uniform eccentricities, and the Kennedy legacy, is the reason PT boats still capture our imagination today–and why PT boaters are such willing and vocal tellers of their wartime exploits even to this day.

In his official report to the Navy on the use of PT boats in World War II, aptly titled At Close Quarters, Capt. Robert Bulkley used the final paragraph to give proper credit to the legendary success of PT boats–brave men and fast vessels.

"The success of the PTs depended, and always will depend, on the ability and valor of their officers and men, on their eagerness to seek out the enemy and engage him at close quarters," Capt. Bulkely wrote. The spirit of their courage and determination, a spirit old in the Navy, was expressed on a sign at the PT base at Bougainville in the Solomons:



"Give me a fast ship, for I intend to go in harm's way."
John Paul Jones



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PT Boat Trivia
PT Boat History


Motor Torpedo Boat development had its beginning in the early 1900's culminating with actual combat use in the first world war. It was the British, French and Italian navies who led the way in development and deployment of this specialized craft. However it wasn't until the late 1930's that the U.S. Navy seriously took on the challenge to create their own Patrol Torpedo Boat program.



The United States originally developed three designs, two from distinguished naval architects and one from the navy. Eight boats (PT's 1 through 8) were built from these designs. Unfortunately, by the time most of these boats were built and readied for testing, their design and performance was found to be inadequate.

In the mean time the Electric Boat Company (ELCO) purchased a British 70 foot boat, designed by Hubert Scott-Paine. This boat was subsequently shipped to the United States and numbered PT 9 by the Navy. During preliminary testing the Navy was impressed enough to award ELCO a contract to build 10 PT boats (PT 10 through 19) based on the PT 9 design. The contract specified some minor to moderate changes however, which included changes to upper deck structures and replacing the engines with the newly designed 1200 h.p. Packard Marine engines.

Upon completion of these boats, Navy test trials revealed that these new boats were too lightly constructed to withstand the rigors of open seas. It was also realized that the boat's designed length was not sufficient to utilize the longer U.S. torpedo versus the shorter British torpedo. Not withstanding the short comings of these initial 70 foot boats, the Navy was convinced that they had a real need for this type of small attack craft. It was recommended that the overall length be increased to accommodate the standard U.S. torpedo and the hull structure be re-engineered to strengthen it for heavier seas.


More and more Elco PT's are sliding off the ways, and just look at that bow number to prove it!
Rudder 11/42 & 2/43
Yachting 2/43


ELCO was again awarded a contract to build 24 new boats (PT 20 through 44) with the recommended modifications which increased the length to 77 feet. Unbeknownst to anyone at that time, some of these new PT boats would actually become the first U.S. PT boats to see action in World War II (Pearl Harbor & the Philippines).

During the time ELCO was building the new boats, two other companies involved in boat building were developing PT boats at there own expense, to compete with ELCO. These two companies were Higgins Industries and Huckins Yacht Works. Higgins was working on a 76 foot design (PT 70) and Huckins was developing a 72 foot boat (PT 69). Eventually all three companies would build PT boats for the war effort. However, just prior to the start of the war, the Navy Department held competition trials known as the "Plywood Derby". This was a shakedown to see which company would be contracted to build the Navy PT boats. At the completion of the trials the Navy was impressed with all three designs, with the ELCO 77 footer coming out on top, followed by the Higgins 76 footer and Huckins 72 foot boat. Although ELCO came in first, the Navy saw the merits of the other two boats and decided to offer all three companies contracts. ELCO received the lion share (385 boats by the end of the war), Higgins was second (199 boats by the end of the war) and Huckins with the smallest contract (18 boats by the end of the war).


Happened Feb. 1, 1943 in the Slot; PT's 37, 111, 123 were lost.
Yachting/Rudder 7/43


With contracts awarded, the U.S. Navy's PT Boat program was in full swing. However Higgins increased its boat length to 78 feet and Huckins added six feet to its boat length also resulting in a 78 footer. ELCO would build another 24 boats at 77 feet, and by Navy request, designed a larger boat of 80 feet in length with a larger capacity to carry more armament. Thus the ELCO 80 foot PT boat was born and destined to become the most numerous in service.

Throughout the Second World War the PT boats would see many transformations enabling the original designs to be modified to fit the mission they would be called upon to perform. It appears most of the ELCO designed boats served in the Pacific theater, with a small number used in the English Channel and Mediterranean Sea. Approximately half of the Higgins designed boats served in the Mediterranean Sea and English Channel with the other half serving in the Pacific and Aleutians. Huckins designed boats were assigned to the training squadron, in Melville Rhode Island, the Panama Canal zone and Hawaii.

WANT TO BUY A P.T. BOAT ?


PT Boats, Inc., has attempted to keep up with these boats; but they have changed hands many times in over fifty years. At one time headquarters had reports of over 40 boats that we believed were different hulls, In 1996-97 three were known to be for sale. Prices ranged from $90,000 to $200,000.


Bulkeley's PT-41 & 34 take on a cruiser.
Yachting/Rudder 6/42 & 7/42


Any one looking for a PT should not expect to find one that looks like it did during the war. These boats have been heavily converted. Essentially, one would be purchasing a hull and many of the hulls have been cut down to 65 feet.

For comparison, PT Boats, Inc., completed the restoration of Elco 617 in 1985 at a cost of $700,000. These 1987 dollars put the boat on static display. Putting a PT back in the water would cost even more.

Building your own PT replica is possible. PT Boats, Inc., has a collection of factory blueprints and microfilm reproductions. Copies can be purchased. The list is available by regular mail, not email.

WHERE ARE THE PT's TODAY?


Today roughly 18 US PTs have been located. These boats are in various states of repair and disrepair. PTs 617 and 796 are on static display in Newberry Hall, the PT Boats Inc. museum at Battleship Cove. Restoration of 617 cost over $700,000 and was completed in 1985. 796 restoration was finished in 1975 at a lesser cost. These two boats are on the National Historic Landmark Registry.


This photo shows a 77 foot Elco boat, PT68, in 1943 on the Morobe River in New Guinea.
She carries 2 torpedo tubes, 2 twin 50s and single 50 cal. at the bow. The unusual paint scheme consisted of various shades of green and had been applied by the crew.
She was lost on 20 Sept. 1943


PT 309 was bought by the Admiral Nimitz Museum, Fredericksburg Texas in 1995 and is currently cradled near the battleship Texas outside Houston.

PT 658 was given to a group in Oregon in 1994; they are working to restore the boat.

A Vosper, PT 728, has been reconfigured to look like an Elco and is currently in Key West where it is operational. A few others are on the market.

Many PTs were auctioned and otherwise disposed of after the war and have been greatly modified. Many have been chopped to 65 feet. Some have had their deck lowered; most have had the original charthouse/bridge removed. Packard engines were replaced with diesels except in museum restorations.

PT BOAT BUILDERS




US Navy PTs were predominately built by Elco Navy Division of Electric Boat Company, Bayonne, New Jersey, Higgins Industries in New Orleans and Huckins Yacht Corp in Jacksonville, Florida. Other builders include, Canadian Power Boat, which built 4 Scott-Paine design boats. Harbor Boat Building, Robert Jacob Yard, Annapolis Yacht Yard and Herreschoff also built (Assembled) PT's from Elco kits and others. The Elco Navy Division manufactured more USN PTs than the other seven. It was later absorbed by General Dynamics, which is still building USN vessels (currently a sub.) Huckins is still building yachts. Higgins went out of business many years ago. Higgins is best remembered for building landing craft.

WHO ARE PT BOAT VETERANS



Crew of PT-109


All men who served with and supported PTs are considered PT Boat veterans. This includes those serving in one unofficial tender or mother ship and 19 official tenders plus thousands who were assigned to Base Forces and other support units. There were roughly 80 shore bases for PTs around the world.

PT BOAT AREAS OF OPERATIONS (WWII)


Theaters of operations for PT boats: Atlantic, Mediterranean, English Channel, Caribbean, Aleutians, Pacific.

Training: Melville (Portsmouth), Rhode Island.

Supplementary training: Taboga, Panama.

PT BOATERS RECEIVING THE MEDAL OF HONOR


Two PT men were awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor: John D. Bulkeley and Murray Preston. Bulkeley retired in 1988 as Vice Admiral after 59 years active duty.

Preston's award was for the rescue of a downed pilot in Wasile Bay, Halmahera Islands, Pacific Theater, while in Ron 33. Previously he had been in Ron 1. He died January 7, 1968.


Smoke generators were carried on the stern. The stuff was titanium tetrachloride, TiCl4, which combines with water or humidity to make titanium dioxide (white pigment = smoke) and HCl- hydrochloric acid!
Yachting/Rudder 5/44


Bulkeley received his award from President Roosevelt for "Breakout from Corregidor," the operation that took MacArthur, his family and Philippine officials out of the Philippines as the islands fell to the Japanese. Bulkeley carefully does not refer to this operation as a rescue. At that time he was in Ron 3, the squadron known as "The Expendables." In 1945 the movie, "They Were Expendable," based on White's book, was released. Actual PTs were used in the filming. Those boats came from Ron 4.

PT BOATERS KILLED IN ACTION (WWII)


Killed in Action PT men are counted at 331. A plaque in their memory can be seen in the reception area of Newberry Hall (PT Boats, Inc. Museum and Library.) KIAs are actual death in combat. Accidental deaths aren't counted.

HOW MANY PT BOATERS - SERVED IN WWII



PT Boats Transom mufflers


Total thought to have served in all aspects of PT service: 60,000-64,000. It's impossible to determine number of replacements. Everyone didn't go through Melville MTBSTC and MTBRTU. Oft-published statements that PT men were all volunteers are untrue.

PT BOAT LOSSES IN WWII


Out of 531 PTs placed in US Navy service, 69 were lost: 5 - destroyed by enemy surface ship gunfire; 1 - rammed by enemy ship; 1 - rammed an enemy ship; 1 - enemy aircraft strafing; 4 - enemy bombings; 2 - kamikaze attacks; 5 - enemy shore batteries; 4 - enemy mines; 1 - damaged by enemy fire then destroyed; 2 - lost in transit, tanker torpedoed by enemy. Total: 26 lost by enemy action.



Additional losses: 18 - grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture; 3 - destroyed to prevent capture; 3 - destroyed by US aircraft; 2 - destroyed by Australian aircraft; 2 - destroyed by US ships; 1 - destroyed by enemy shore fire or wild shot from US warship; 5 - grounded/destroyed outside enemy waters or in storms; 6 - fire or explosion in port; 3 - collisions. Total: 43 lost by accidents, friendly fire or sea conditions.

Above figures do not include fates of Lend-Lease boats.
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Well Known Veterans of PT Boat Service and Famous People Who Were Associated with PTs
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Most men serving in PTs shortened "squadron" to "Ron." We continue the practice. Some ranks and rates will be the ones held at retirement and some will be those held during WW II service. Unfortunately, our information isn't always clear.

Anthony B. Akers, (Deceased) Ambassador to New Zealand, Ron 3

Lt. J. Paul Austin, (Deceased) Chairman of the board Coca Cola, Ron 25

Ens. Howard Baker, White House Chief of Staff, Reagan Administration; former Tennessee Senator; Ambassador to Japan. Ron 44, MTBSTC

CO William C. Battle, former Ambassador to Australia, Democratic nominee for governor Virginia 1969, President Fieldcrest Mills, Inc. Rons 10, 9, 5, 39; PTs 580, 166, 171; Staff Southwest Pacific Operations

Lt. Charles A. Black, husband of actress Shirley Temple Black, Ron 21

Lt. John D. Bulkeley USN Ret, (deceased) President of the Navy's Board of Inspection and Survey (INSURV), most decorated military man in US history, recipient of the Medal of Honor for the breakout from Corregidor which took MacArthur and party out of the Philippines. Bulkeley cut the water line to the Guantanamo Naval Base when Castro accused the base of stealing water. Rons 1, 2(2), 3, 7, 34 PT 41. Retired as Vice Admiral in 1988 after 59 years active duty in many ships and stations including PTs. In December 2001, a guided missile destroyer, DDG 84, commissioned bearing his name. The USS John D. Bulkeley’s first CO is Carlos Del Torro who was born in Cuba but raised in Hell’s Kitchen, New York City.

Lt. jg Michael Burke, (deceased) CBS Sports, Yankees, Knicks and Rangers executive; author Outrageous Good Fortune. OSS; Ron 15; PT 209

MoMM Harold E. Christensen, (deceased) National AAU Middleweight Boxing Champion; Rons 4, 22; PT 312; PT Raiders

LCDR John H. Clagett, author of 15 books, Rons 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 3(2); PTs 111, 11, 40, 47, 37

Lt. Bernard A. Crimmins, (deceased)all-American Notre Dame 1941; Rons 8, 21, 25; PT 321

Lt. Cleveland E. Dodge Jr., Dodge Fibers, Seal Pak Teflon gasket process patent; Rons 26, 4; PT 262, 261

LCDR Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. (deceased) in charge of small boats in the invasion of Southern France; he was USNR, but his "flag boat" was a British riverboat in TG 80.4. He also was part of the Beach Jumpers who operated with PTs in the Med.

Lt. Paul B. "Red" Fay, former Undersecretary of the Navy, JFK administration; author, The Pleasure of His Company; Ron 10; PT 167

LCDR John Harllee, Chairman Federal Maritime Commission 1963-69; author; Ron 1, 2, 12, Chief Staff Officer MTBRons 7th Fleet; PTs 16, 20, 190; MTBSTC. Retired as Rear Admiral.

Andrew Jackson Higgins Sr. (deceased) owner Higgins Industries, built PTs and landing craft.

Lt. Michael J. Holovak, football coach of PT Raiders and general manager for Houston Oilers. Rons 7, 8

Frank Huckins, (deceased) Huckins Yacht Corp., built 18 PTs for the US Navy.

Lt. jg John F. Kennedy, (deceased) 35th president of the United States; Rons 2, 4; PTs 59, 109, 10; MTBSTC

Lt. William A. Klopman, Klopman Mills--became division of Burlington Industries, President of Burlington Industries; Rons 29, 11; PTs 556, 555, 179

Joe Kuharick, All-star football player Notre Dame, Washington Redskins Head Coach, MTBSTC

Lt. Cdr. Elgar "Gar" Laux, (deceased) retired vice chairman New Chrysler Corp., Ford Motor Co. executive; Ron 22, PT 313

Lt. Walter H. "Wally" Lemm, (deceased) former Houston Oilers head coach; Ron 8; PT 114; PT Raiders

Lt. William F. "Bud" Liebenow, skipper of PT 157, the boat that rescued the crew of PT 109; Rons 9, 2(2)’ PTs 157, 199; Special OSS Europe

Lt. Henry Loeb, (deceased) Mayor of Memphis, TN, Loeb Enterprises; Ron 29 PT 553

Lt. Carl Maddox, (deceased) football coach LSU, Mississippi State Athletic Director; Ron 28; PT 383

Lt. Clinton "Red" McClain, NY Giants, SMU football coach; Ron 9; PTs 155-159

Lt. Torbert H. MacDonald, (deceased) US House of Representatives Congressman (D-Mass.), Chairman Subcommittee on Communications, JFK roommate at Harvard, Ron 12; PTs 194, 193, 190

Lt. Richard W. McEwen, former Chairman of the Board, Burdines Department Stores; Ron 18; PTs 370, 371

Cdr. J. Alex Michaud USN (Ret.), owner Michaud Motor Coaches, Commander Philippine Sea Frontier; AGPs 2, 6, 13; Bases 5, 17, 21; FEMU (Floating Equipment Maintenance Unit); commanding officer Task Unit 93.4.60.

Lt. jg John N. Mitchell, (deceased) Attorney General of the United States, Nixon Administration, convicted in Watergate aftermath; Ron 37; PTs 536, 541

Capt. Robert Montgomery, (deceased) First President of Screen Actors Guild; played the part of Lt. John D. Bulkeley (changed to Brickley in movie) in "They Were Expendable;" Rons 5 and 4. XO PTs 107, PT 68 and XO PT 114. Division Commander of PTs at Panama. Bronze Star. Also light cruiser USS Columbia CL 56 and USS Barton DD 772 at Normandy.

CBM James Madden "Boats" Newberry, (deceased), Founder of PT Boats, Inc.; Principal Organizer of Petroleum Equipment Institute formerly the National Association of Oil Equipment Jobbers; owner Newberry Manufacturing Co.; President Gas and Oil Equipment Co., JMN and Associates, Inc. and Fences Inc.; held controlling interest Southland Chemical and was a partner in Oilman’s Equipment Co. USS Texas BB 35; USS New York BB 3; USS Osborne DD 295 (these ships 1926-1929); Ron 9’s Chief Boatswain’s Mate; PT 155 et al; Chief Master-at-Arms for the Repair Training Unit of the Melville Rhode Island PT training base (MTBRTU).

Cdr. Henry Ringling North, (deceased) Ringling Circus; Ron 15

Lt. Jack B. Olson, Lt. Gov. of Wisconsin; Retired Ambassador to the Commonwealth of the Bahamas; Ron 4; PT Raiders

Cdr. Paul T. Rennell, (deceased) First Executive VP of Pan Am; Commanding Officer of Ron 21

S1/c Don Rickles, Actor and comedian; USS Cyrene AGP 13, a PT tender.

Lt. jg Raymond P. Shafer, Governor of Pennsylvania 1967-71; Ron 27; PT 359

Preston L. Sutphen, Sr., (deceased) Vice President Electric Boat Company, builder of PTs

Lt. Preston L. Sutphen, Jr., (deceased) son of Sutphen Sr.; Rons 29 and 36

Harold Thorkilsen, (deceased) retired as CEO of Ocean Spray Cranberries, units unknown

LCDR Malcolm Toon, former ambassador to several countries including the former USSR; NBC News consultant on Russian affairs; Ron 9; PT 155

Lt. Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt, (deceased) millionaire. Rons 12, 1; PTs 192, 196

Lt. George Vanderbilt, (deceased) millionaire. Intelligence Officer, Ron 12; PT 196

Lt. Byron White, (deceased) Supreme Court Justice, retired 1993; Intelligence Officer Ron 10

Additional Sources:

www.ptboats.org
www.history.navy.mil
www.oldgloryprints.com
www.electriclaunch.com
www.warship.org
www.nationalgeographic.com
mcmsoftware.tripod.com
www.pt171.org
annika.mu.nu
www.skylighters.org
www.military-graphics.com

2 posted on 08/21/2005 9:23:20 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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Among those who rode as passengers aboard PTs: Numerous admirals, generals, senators and other politicians as well as the King of England.



Frances Langford Evinrude, USO singer entertained PT men. While at Green Island in the Solomons she was aboard a PT. Hosted regional PT meeting known as a bull session about 1970 at her restaurant in Florida.

Gen. and Mrs. Douglas MacArthur and son; Presidents of the Philippines Quezon and Osmeña; Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, Col. John Eisenhower, Adm. Chester Nimitz, King George VI of England.

Gen Roy Stanley Geiger, USMC, 1st Marine Air Wing at Guadalcanal, First Marine Amphib Corps at Bougainville, Guam, Peleliu and Okinawa, Command of 10th Army.

Actors Ward Bond, Ray Milland, Robert Montgomery, Tyrone Power, John Wayne. Moviemaker John Ford. Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal.

Eleanor Roosevelt, Eddie Rickenbacker (rescued by PT); Col. Charles Lindberg.

USO Show entertainers at PT bases in the Pacific: Patty Thomas, Bob Hope, Frances Langford, Joe E. Brown, Jerry Colona, Martha Raye; Ray Milland, Tyrone Power; Candy Jones; Jack Benny.

Randolf Scott, actor, visited seven PT sailors in hospital at Tulagi January 1944


3 posted on 08/21/2005 9:23:46 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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4 posted on 08/21/2005 9:24:03 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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5 posted on 08/21/2005 9:43:22 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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6 posted on 08/21/2005 10:02:45 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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7 posted on 08/21/2005 11:11:37 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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A little later in history. But still much of the same mission. A still very interesting sight.

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8 posted on 08/22/2005 1:00:48 AM PDT by quietolong
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Good morning Snippy.


9 posted on 08/22/2005 1:31:37 AM PDT by Aeronaut (2 Chronicles 7:14.)
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For those of you chomping at the bit (including your always humble editor) to take issue with the word "plywood," consider this; words often take on different meanings for succeeding generations. The rudimentary "computers" used about U.S. Navy vessels during World War II served an entirely different function than those aboard ship today. Today's plywood is composed of thin sheets of wood (of various dimensions), joined together by the generous use of glue. PT boat hulls were composed of double planked 1" mahogany fastened with monel (copper-nickel alloy, very salt water resistant, really quite expensive - ed.) screws. Sandwiched between the layers of mahogany planks was a layer (or ply) of canvas. Every other wooden feature on the PT boat was traditional plywood. If the hull had been plywood, as some mistakenly believe, the boat would have disintegrated from the pounding that the hull underwent while underway.

PT boats used three 12-cylinder Packard Marine Engines, 4M-2500, which burned one-hundred octane gasoline. These liquid-cooled power plants could generate anywhere from 1,200 to 1,500-hundred horsepower depending on conditions at the front and the period of construction. The Packards were lightweight, dependable, and situated two engines forward in the engine room, one port and one starboard, and the third engine farther aft on the centerline. This made service of the engines in the relatively cramped confines of the engine room possible. Yes, the boats were fast; perhaps 40-knots under favorable conditions with the boats graceful bow jutting proudly above the water's surface. On occasion a good third of the boat's hull would come free of the water as she maneuvered across the water. In ideal conditions a PT boat was a most formidable weapon.

Conditions in the Pacific Theater were rarely ideal. Distances, living conditions, diseases, and lack of resources (the boat's engines should have been changed out every one-thousand hours of operation), all combined to severely impact the capabilities of boats and crews. Many photographs of PT boat crewmen from the forward areas of the Pacific show a lean bunch of bearded men, scantily clad, standing on the cluttered decks of what, to the untutored eye, must surely have been a barge. As the sailors had undergone a change (their training at Newport, Rhode Island could hardly have prepared them for the primitive living conditions that they encountered), so had the trim lines of the PT boats. They were boats that would become lethal instruments of war.

All torpedo boats had been designed as a means to deploy torpedoes against enemy vessels. What better way to disable or sink an capital ship than by the use of a fast, difficult to see and hit boat with a low silhouette? They became all the rage in the navies of the early 20th Century. Torpedo boats and their nemesis torpedo boat destroyers (yes, that's how these predators who later chased undersea quarry were born) began to share the oceans with traditional vessels.

When World War II began the Patrol-Torpedo, or PT boats of the American navy was viewed as a customary extension of that concept -- little, fast boats to launch torpedoes at slow, big ships. But as the war progressed in the South Pacific, the needs of the warrior changed. The ideals of high sea's encounters that so many naval strategists had dragged into the war were quickly shattered by aircraft carriers. Vessels often didn't see one another and there was certainly no role for the diminutive PT boat in single combat covering hundreds of square miles of open water.

But there were other battlegrounds for the Higgins or Elco boats. Every island in the South Pacific had the potential of harboring the enemy and there thousands of islands scattered about these vast distances. General Douglas MacArthur's strategy of island hopping reduced the number of islands that were to be invaded to a manageable level, but that number was still in the hundreds. There were islands to be by-passed, invested, subdued, ignored or contained. Islands surrounded by shallow water -- water perfect for the PT's modest draft.

PT boats were soon hunting Japanese supply and troop barges, Japanese coastal vessels, and Japanese submarines. They were sent out to rescue downed pilots, or take scouts close to shore, or rendezvous with coast watchers. PT boats were targeted by shore batteries on virtually every mission, so they relied on three attributes. The boats were (despite the abominable condition of the boats and engines), still very fast and maneuverable; crews coveted their speed and worked miracles to keep the engines in shape. PT boats were stealthy; despite their 80-foot length and 40-ton displacement (both varying from boat to boat), they could close their mufflers and ease on the quarry -- the throaty roar of the powerful engines reduced to a whimper as long as they maintained a speed of no more than ten-knots. Anything more than that and the force of the exhaust would blow the mufflers off the vessel.

There was a third element on which the PT boats of the South Pacific depended, one that at first glance might raise an eyebrow of a chair-bound naval traditionalist of the period; these little guys were armed to the teeth.

The first ten PT boats delivered to the United States from the Elco yards in Bayonne, New Jersey carried four MK-VII torpedoes, and two-twin mount .50 caliber machine gun turret with Plexiglas canopies; similar to the turrets on bombers. The boats also had an assortment of weapons that included, hand grenades, .03 Springfields, and Colt .45 caliber semi-automatic pistols, and bow mounts for two Lewis guns.

Well before PT boat crews found themselves skirting in and out of shallow waters looking for mischief, the armament aboard PT boats began to change. First to go was the Dewandre Plexiglas turret; the darn thing fogged up and made visibility nearly impossible. Then some bright young officers eyed the four torpedo tubes, which housed the torpedoes. Besides the weight of the tube, torpedoes exiting their containers sometimes created a bright, but short-lived fire in the tube -- usually sparked by grease. There was no danger from the fire itself, but advertising your position in the face of the enemy is not advisable. So the tubes were gone, replaced by a simple device that dropped the torpedo over the side. And anyway, as the island war continued there weren't that many targets against which torpedoes would be effective. The Japanese barges, often heavily armed with shallow drafts, traveled at night. These barges stayed very close to shore, following the contours of the shoreline. It fell on PT boats to hunt out and sink these barges and so they began to arm themselves for the task

Americans are great scavengers and one creative band of PT boatmen salvaged a 37mm automatic cannon out of the wreck of a P-39. While the aircraft never found favor with Americans, its cannon enjoyed a great deal of popularity on the bow of a PT boat. Soon, these cannons became standard on the boats. To keep pesky Japanese aircraft at bay as well as worry the Japanese barges, some inventive types began installing 20mm cannons on the bow and amidships. These guns had a range of 5,500 yards and a rate of fire of 450 rounds per minute. Elco engineers even came up with the Thunderbolt system consisting of four MK 20mm cannons on a single mount. By this time the ambitious PT boat crews had apparently decided that it would be handy to have a 40mm cannon on board as well. These were soon installed on a number of PT boats with twin rocket launchers, each housing 8 5-inch rockets. Of course I won't mention the additional single or twin mount .50 caliber machineguns that kept sprouting up from the deck. Or the Thompson submachine guns, M-1 rifles, M-1 carbines, Colt .45 semiautomatic pistols, and Browning Automatic Rifles. I won't even take the time to mention the 2.36-inch rocket launchers (commonly called the Bazooka), and .60mm mortars that some boats carried. It's a wonder that the 40-ton boats didn't sink under the weight of all of that iron.

The contest between the barges and the PT boats was a confusing, close-quarter engagement in almost total darkness with the superior firepower and speed of the PT boats usually resulting in an American win. It was dangerous, deadly work but gradually the Japanese, who had been denied the opportunity to move reinforcements and supplies by superior Allied airpower, found that even their intricate barge-network could not withstand the assaults of the PT boats. Nipponese outposts withered on the vine, effectively pruned to extinction by torpedo boats transformed into heavily armed gunboats

The needs of combat changed radically throughout the island battlefields of the South Pacific. On the great ocean gray-clad fleets ranged over the watery landscape throwing up clouds of aircraft in a desperate attempt to annihilate one another and the destruction that was rendered on a grand scale was monumental. But around the shallow waters of nameless islands, and in the lagoons and bays that would eventually become rusty with the carcasses of unlucky ships, low-slung shadows moved ominously, looking for prey. These PT boats were, pound-for-pound, the most heavily armed warships afloat. They became gun platforms because it was necessary for them to go heavily armed. Americans, a naturally creative and inventive lot, turned their sleek PT boats into deadly instruments of war; vicious little predators who waited along the dark shores of distant islands for the enemy.

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Wilson_032805,00.html

Some technical details corrected.

The hulls were not plywood, but mahogany in layers, like one boat hull inside another boat hull, with the wood grain direction of these two layers at perhaps sixty degrees (educated guess). Under way the hulls flexed under the pounding, so a waterproof layer was built between them.

There was a certain PT skipper who received orders to intercept a Japanese convoy at a certain spot that the convoy was certain to pass that night. The boat arrived at the correct location without incident. However, when the convoy arrived they found all of the crew asleep but one, maybe. A Japanese destroyer saw the waiting PT and rammed it. The crew apparently did not notice any of this until the destroyer was a few hundred yards away, and did not even give the idling engines the gas. This is clearly the responsibility of the commanding officer, who was certainly asleep.

"The idling PT boat was rammed by the Japanese destroyer Amagiri on August 2, 1943 in the Blackett Strait between Kolombangara and Arundel in the Solomon Islands, cutting it in half and killing two men."

The story, as I understand it, is that this unnamed PT skipper had a very influential father, a very heavy contributor to the Democrat Party, a big enough contributor to have been the United States Ambassador to The Court of Saint James. Great Britain, folks. A most plum job, reserved for the most generous.

I know no reader here will need to be told this clown's name.

Anyway, he was not court martialed. Daddies in high places beats malfeaseance in the face of the enemy, hey. Especially during that administration.


10 posted on 08/22/2005 1:31:54 AM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.


11 posted on 08/22/2005 3:03:28 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Good Monday morning everyone.

12 posted on 08/22/2005 3:17:54 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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Good morning every one.


13 posted on 08/22/2005 3:52:59 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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August 22, 2005

Keep The Goal In View

Read:
1 Timothy 4:1-11

Reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. —1 Timothy 4:7

Bible In One Year: 1 Chronicles 1-3

cover Bible scholar William Barclay tells of his walks through the meadow with his bull terrier Rusty. Whenever his dog came to a shallow creek, he jumped in and started removing stones, one by one, dropping them haphazardly on the shore. This pointless activity would go on for hours.

Barclay says that Rusty's strange behavior reminds him of some self-proclaimed experts on the Bible. They expend enormous energy and countless hours trying to interpret obscure passages, but all their effort does nothing to edify themselves or others.

Through the years I have received long letters from people like that. Some show me how to know exactly who the Antichrist will be. Others claim to have found the key to certain Bible mysteries by studying the meaning of names in the lists of genealogies.

Apparently there were some teachers in Ephesus who were trying to impress the believers by weaving myths and fables into their interpretation of the Bible. But what they taught did nothing to promote godliness. It was therefore as pointless as Rusty's stone removal project.

Paul said to Timothy, "Exercise yourself toward godliness." That's the most important goal to keep in view as we study the Bible. —Herb Vander Lugt

Oh, grant us grace, Almighty Lord!
To read and mark Thy holy Word,
Its truths with meekness to receive,
And by its holy precepts live. —Boddome

Don't study the Bible to be able to quote it; study it to obey it.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
Knowing God Through The Whole Bible

14 posted on 08/22/2005 4:39:38 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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It's a Monday morning wake up bump, and if that don't wake you up....hmmm

Regards

alfa6 ;.}

15 posted on 08/22/2005 5:03:10 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on August 22:
1647 Denis Papin, inventor of the pressure cooker,
1827 Ezra B. Eddy, Matchmaker to the world
1836 Archibald M Willard US, artist (Spirit of '76)
1862 Claude Debussy St Germain-en-Laye, composer (La Mer, Clair de lune)
1893 Dorothy Parker US, short story writer (1958 Marjorie Peabody Award)
1895 Paul White Bangor Maine, composer (Adante & Rondo for Cello)
1900 Elizabeth Bergner Vienna Austria, actress (Catherine the Great)
1904 Deng Xiaoping Chinese leader (1976-1983)
1908 Henri Cartier-Bresson, photographer.
1909 Mel Hein NFL center (NY Giants)
1917 John Lee Hooker Mississippi, blues musician (Boom Boom Boom)
1920 Dr Denton Cooley heart surgeon (1st artifical heart transplant)
1920 Ray Bradbury Ill, sci-fi author (Fahrenheit 451, Illustrated Man, The Martian Chronicles)
1926 Honor Blackman London, actress (Pussy Galore-Goldfinger)
1928 John Lupton Highland Park Ill, actor (Tom-Broken Arrow)
1932 Gerald P Carr Denver Colorado, Col USMC/astronaut (Skylab 4)
1933 Sylvia Koscina actress (Jessica, Hercules)
1934 Diana Sands actress (Raisin in the Sun, Doctor's Wife)
1934 Norman Schwartzkopf NJ, US General (Liberated Kuwait from Iraq)
1935 Morton Dean Fall River Mass, TV newscaster (CBS, ABC)
1939 Carl Yastrzemski NY, Boston Red Sox great (1967 AL MVP, Hall of Fame)
1940 George Reinholt Phila, (Another World, One Life to Live)
1940 Valerie Harper Sufferin NY, (Mary Tyler Moore Show, Rhoda, Valerie)
1942 Kathy Lennon Santa Monica Calif, singer (Lennon Sisters)
1945 Ron Dante Staten Island NY, rocker (Archies-Sugar, Sugar)
1947 Cindy Williams Van Nuys Calif, actress (Shirley-Laverne & Shirley)
1959 Juan Croucier heavy metal rocker (Ratt-Round & Round)
1961 Roland Orzabal singer (Tears for Fears-Shout, Head over Heels)
1963 Terry Catledge NBA star (Orlando Magic)
1964 Mats Wilander Sweden, tennis player (1988 US Open)
1966 Mark Michaels heavy metal guitarist (Teach Yourself Rhythm Guitar)



Deaths which occurred on August 22:
0408 Flavius Stilicho, West Roman field leader
0634 Abd Allah Abu Bekr, Arabic merchant/1st caliph of Islam, dies
1485 Richard III, king of England (1483-85), killed in battle at 32
1818 Warren Hastings 1st governor-general of India (1773-84), dies at 85
1799 Pope Pius VI dies
1922 Michael Collins Sinn Fein leader, killed by rebels
1926 Charles William Elliot Pres of Harvard (1869-1909), dies at 92
1977 Sebastian Cabot actor (Mr French-Family Affair), dies at 59
1978 Jomo Kenyatta president of Kenya, dies at 83
1989 Black Panther co-founder Huey P. Newton was shot to death in Oakland, Calif.
1992 Vicki Weaver, murdered by an FBI sharpshooter, Lon Horiuchi.
1991 Colleen Dewhurst actress (Murphy Brown), dies of cancer at 67




Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

Iraq
22-Aug-2004 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Corporal Christopher Belchik Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US 2nd Lieutenant Matthew R. Stovall Mosul (western part) - Ninawa Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack


Afghanistan
A GOOD DAY


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On this day...
0565 St Columba reported seeing monster in Loch Ness
1138 English defeat Scots at Cowton Moor -- Banners of various saints were carried into battle which led to it being called Battle of the Standard
1350 John II, also known as John the Good, succeeds Philip VI as king of France.
1454 Jews are expelled from Brunn Moravia by order of King Ladislaus
1485 Richard III slain at Bosworth Field-last of Plantagenets. End of the "War Of The Roses" between the house of York & the house of Tudor.
1559 Spanish archbishop Bartholome de Carranza was arrested as a heretic.
1642 Civil war in England begins as Charles I declares war on Parliament at Nottingham.
1762 1st female (Ann Franklin) US newspaper editor, Newport RI, Mercury

1775 King George III proclaims colonies to be in open rebellion

1777 General Benedict Arnold captures Fort Stanwix.
1787 John Fitch's steamboat completes its tests, years before Fulton
1791 Haitian Revolution begins
1846 US annexes New Mexico
1851 Gold fields discovered in Australia
1851 Yacht "America" wins 1st Royal Yacht Squadron Cup (America's Cup)
1864 Geneva Convention signed, by 12 nations
1902 Pres Teddy Roosevelt became 1st US chief executive to ride in a car
1906 1st Victor Victrola manufactured
1910 Japan annexes Korea
1911 Mona Lisa stolen from Louvre
1911 President William Taft vetos a joint resolution of Congress granting statehood to Arizona. A provision in the state constitution authorizing the recall of judges.
1917 Pitts Pirates play 4th straight extra inning game, Carson Bigbee sets record of 11 at-bats, they lose in 22 innings to Dodgers
1927 Babe Ruth hits 40th of 60 homers
1932 BBS begins experimental regular TV broadcasts
1944 Last transport of French Jews departes to Nazi Germany
1945 Conflict in Vietnam begins when a group of Free French parachute into southern Indochina, in repsonse to a successful coup by communist guerilla Ho Chi Minh.
1947 1st college team to beat an NFL team (All Stars-16, Bears-0)
1950 Althea Gibson becomes 1st black competetor in natl tennis competition
1951 Harlem Globetrotters play in Olympic Stadium, Berlin before 75,052
1956 Pres Eisenhower & VP Nixon renominated by Rep convention in SF
1959 Cin Red Frank Robinson hits 3 consecutive HRs
1960 Gil Hodges set NL righty HR record with #352
1961 Maris hits his 50th of 61 homers
1963 NASA civilian test pilot Joe Walker in X-15 reaches 67 miles
1965 SF Giant pitcher Juan Marachal hits LA Dodger catcher John Roseboro on the head with his bat causing a 14 minute brawl
1968 1st papal visit to Latin America (Pope Paul VI arrives in Bogota)
1968 Cynthia Lennon sues John Lennon for divorce on adultry
1969 Hurricane Camille strikes U.S. Gulf Coast kills 255
1982 Gen Ariel Sharon urges Palestinians to discuss peaceful coexistence (and here we are today.)
1984 Evelyn Ashford of US ties world women's mark for 100 m, 10.76 sec
1984 Met pitcher Dwight Gooden becomes the 11th rookie to strikeout 200
1984 Rep convention in Dallas renominates Pres Reagan & VP Bush
1988 Australia unveils 1st platinum coin (Koala)
1988 NBC premieres "Later" with Bob Costas (1st guest Linda Ellerbee)
1989 1st complete ring around Neptune discovered
1989 Nolan Ryan strikes out his 5,000th batter
1990 Pres Bush calls up military reserves
1995 Congressman Mel Reynolds (D. Ill.) convicted in Chicago of sexual misconduct involving an underage campaign volunteer
1998 President Clinton, announces he had signed an executive order putting Osama bin Laden's Islamic Army on a list of terrorist groups
2003 Oslo, Norway, is ranked the world's most expensive city by Swiss banking giant UBS. It was followed by New York, Zurich, Switzerland; Copenhagen, Denmark; London; Basel, Switzerland; Chicago; and Geneva


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"
American Rebellion Day
Be an Angel Day
Tooth Fairy Day
National Religious Software Week Begins
National Golf Month


Religious Observances
RC : Memorial of the Queenship of Mary (Immaculate Heart)
RC Timotheus, martyr to Rome
Zen-Kamakura Japan Foundation ceremonies at Kenchoji


Religious History
1670 In Massachusetts, English-born colonial missionary John Eliot, 66, founded an Indian church at Martha's Vineyard, with educated Indians Hiacoomes and Tackanash appointed pastor and teacher, respectively.
1800 Birth of Edward B. Pusey, English biblical scholar and Tractarian spokesman. A devoted church leader all his life, Pusey worked to establish religious orders in Anglicanism, founding in 1845 the first Anglican sisterhood.
1831 Birth of William H. Cummings, English musicologist. In 1855 he adapted a theme from Mendelssohn's "Festgesang," which afterward became the melody of the Christmas carol, "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing."
1948 The Amsterdam Assembly of the World Council of Churches convened (through Sept 4) to ratify the Constitution for this newly-formed experiment in organizational and global Christian unity.
1968 Pope Paul VI arrived in Colombia, making his the first-ever papal visit to South America.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Wal-Mart Charges $175 for 'Stolen' Manure


BROWNSVILLE, Ore. (AP) - It could have happened to anyone: Charles Gastorf and his wife, Cheryl, forgot to pay the $10 tab for 10 bags of steer manure during a recent shopping trip to their local Wal-Mart.
The two say that in the confusion of shopping on that March day they simply forgot to add in the cost of the manure. When the Gastorfs explained their forgetfulness to Lebanon City Attorney Tom McHill, he dropped shoplifting charges against them.

That could have been the end of the story - except for the letter from the world's largest retailer that soon arrived in their mailbox, demanding $175 in civil damages.
That's when the Gastorfs learned about a little-known Oregon law that allows retailers to pursue civil penalties regardless of whether a person is found guilty or innocent of theft.

The Gastorfs - who live in a manufactured home and are retired - spoke to an attorney, who told them that challenging the action in court could cost them several thousand dollars, much more than the $175 civil claim.
So the Gastorfs paid Wal-Mart the money.

"We wouldn't want to embark on a life of crime at our ages and become manure thieves. I mean, if you were going to steal something, would you steal manure?" Gastorf said.
But Shardon Weber, a spokeswoman for Bentonville, Ark.-based Wal-Mart, told The Albany Democrat Herald that the company has decided to refund the Gastorfs' $175.
"It simply seems like the right thing to do," she said.


Thought for the day :
"You don't always make an out. Sometimes the pitcher gets you out."
Carl Yastrzemski


16 posted on 08/22/2005 7:02:50 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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MORNING GLORY FOLKS!


17 posted on 08/22/2005 7:23:15 AM PDT by w_over_w (Just found out a Gyroscope is not a device for looking at tiny Greek sandwiches.)
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To: SAMWolf

I can't believe you did this thread WITHOUT mentioning the most famous PT boat in the history of WWII! I refer of course the the PT 73.



Introduction
McHale's Navy is the 1960's comedy featuring Ernest Borgnine as Lt. Cdr. Quinton McHale. McHale's Navy was produced by Edward Montagne and Si Rose in black and white. It originally ran on the ABC Network, and in recent years has occasionally been seen on the TV Land cable network.

Synopsis
Lt. Commander McHale, his executive officer Ens. Charles Parker (played by Tim Conway), and his PT-boat crew are stationed in the South Pacific during World War II. The men of PT 73, while being the most efficient crew in the entire fleet, are also efficient gamblers and bootleggers.

McHale's relaxed nature and the crew's ignorance of the rules clashes with their spoilsport commanding officer, Capt. Wallace "Leadbottom" Binghamton (played by Joe Flynn). As a result, they are in a continuous struggle not only against the Japanese, but also trying to outwit Capt. Binghamton, whose ultimate goal in life is to send McHale's entire crew to the Aleutians.



"McHale's Navy" (1962) [TV-Series 1962-1966]
Directed by
Norman Abbott
Charles Barton

Writing credits
Ray Brenner
George Carleton Brown

Cast overview, first billed only:
Ernest Borgnine .... Lt. Cmdr. Quinton McHale (1962-1966)
Joe Flynn .... Capt. Wallace B. Binghamton (1962-1966)
Tim Conway .... Ensign Charles Parker (1962-1966)
Carl Ballantine .... Lester Gruber (1962-1966)
Gary Vinson .... George "Christy" Christopher (1962-1966)
Billy Sands .... Harrison "Tinker" Bell (1962-1966)
Edson Stroll .... Virgil Edwards (1962-1966)
Jane Dulo .... Nurse Molly Turner (1962-1964)
Gavin MacLeod .... Joseph "Happy" Haines (1962-1964)
John Wright .... Willy Moss (1964-1966)
Yoshio Yoda .... Fuji Kobiaji (1962-1966)
Bob Hastings .... Lt. Elroy Carpenter (1962-1966)
Henry Beckman .... Col. Douglas Harrigan (1965-1966)
Simon Scott .... Gen. Bronson (1965-1966)
Dick Wilson .... Dino Baroni (1965-1966)

Regular guests:
Herbert Lytton .... Admiral Reynolds (11 episodes)
Syl Lamont .... Yeoman Tate / Smitty / ... (9 episodes)
Lloyd Kino .... Japanese Sentry / Nisei Sergeant / ... (7 episodes)
Mako .... Captain Uzaki / First Japanese / ... (7 episodes)
John Fujioka .... The Japanese Officer / The Japanese Captain / ... (7 episodes)



18 posted on 08/22/2005 7:24:28 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Iris7

I wonder who you could be talking about. Give us a hint, did he ever run for political office?


19 posted on 08/22/2005 7:27:30 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: SAMWolf
Today's successor to the PT boat: http://www.specwarnet.com/vehicles/mkV.htm
20 posted on 08/22/2005 7:37:55 AM PDT by fredhead ("It is a good thing war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it." General Robert E. Lee)
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To: Iris7; Paleo Conservative

I've read somewhere that the Packard engine referred to here was a modified Allison V-1710, similar to what powered the P-38, 39, and P-40?


21 posted on 08/22/2005 7:47:50 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: Iris7

Most excellent read, Iris7.

The PT-109 incident has been so "glorified" that few now-a-day know that it was really a screw-up that would have gone unoticed or at most a footnote in history except for "friends" in high places and the fact that the Skipper became famous later in life.


22 posted on 08/22/2005 7:51:58 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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To: Valin
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa


23 posted on 08/22/2005 7:55:17 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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To: SAMWolf

Well I forgive you...this time....but WATCH IT! :-)


24 posted on 08/22/2005 8:04:24 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: snippy_about_it
GM, snippy!

free dixie,sw

25 posted on 08/22/2005 8:39:37 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Iris7; SAMWolf
Good Morning all,
Great posts, I have always been interested in these fast heavily armed boats.
In the days of the PT boats the crews were given the latitude to get the job done, they modified, added weapons and implemented tactics that best suited them and their boats. It is great to see that the "brass" recognized the ability of the sailors to design and implement their own solutions to problems.
Thankfully we have seen a reemergence of the trust and latitude from the "brass" in Iraq. The service members of all the branches are coming up with some really great stuff that is saving lives and is keeping the defense contractors on their toes!
26 posted on 08/22/2005 9:09:50 AM PDT by USMCBOMBGUY (You build it, I'll defeat it!)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-W-o-Gram.

Tuesday is gut-sucking day. Yippeee!

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President George W. Bush delivers remarks on U.S. Space Policy at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. The President committed the United States to a long-term human and robotic program to explore the solar system, starting with a return to the Moon that will ultimately enable future exploration of Mars and other destinations.
President George W. Bush delivers remarks on U.S. Space Policy at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. The President committed the United States to a long-term human and robotic program to explore the solar system, starting with a return to the Moon that will ultimately enable future exploration of Mars and other destinations.

27 posted on 08/22/2005 10:53:02 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: SAMWolf

Wait a minute here. I don't see any mention of PT73.


28 posted on 08/22/2005 11:07:46 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather.

Bittygirl has gained the power to unplug and reconnect our alarm clocks. The world will never be on time again.


29 posted on 08/22/2005 11:18:31 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: Professional Engineer

I like your tagline. BTW elfboy took a math placement test today. He tested 2nd grade level.


30 posted on 08/22/2005 11:50:58 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: Valin
Hmmm. Here is a little hint.

He "wrote a book" with the word Courage in the title. Actually, he did not write the book. The ghostwriter did. This fellow never saw the thing until he got a printed and bound publisher's proof copy. This makes sense, since of Courage this fellow had absolutely none. Very skilled at cheating on his wife or getting lots of good soldiers killed for no reason, though.

Howdy, Valin. Thanks for feeding me that line. Bud Abbott couldn't have done better. Me, I am more the Lew Costello type, so it works out - "Who's on first?" ;-)
31 posted on 08/22/2005 12:46:59 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: alfa6

Howdy, Alfa.

Have great affection for the F4U. Your picture is very striking.

Once the American fighters got over 2,000 hp the Japanese could not outrun them unless coming out of a dive. In a dive or climb the heavy American craft could not be caught. P47 was that way, using the same engine, and weighing two tons more. Corsair must have been a rocket.

Oh, yes. Engine is a Pratt and Whitney R-2800 two row eigteen cylinder radial, of 2,800 cubic inches and 2,000 hp in the early models. Most excellent engine. DC-6 ran them, reliable, compact, powerful.

Vought - Sikorski design.


32 posted on 08/22/2005 1:00:43 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: Iris7
He "wrote a book" with the word Courage in the title

Stephen Crane was a PT Boat Skipper?!?!?!?!?

33 posted on 08/22/2005 1:01:12 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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To: Peanut Gallery

How's this for coincidence. I was speaking with a guy at our Galactic HQ this morning. He has a daughter 4 days older than BG, and with the same first name.


34 posted on 08/22/2005 1:09:48 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: SAMWolf
Good job on the PT Boat Thread!!


35 posted on 08/22/2005 1:22:27 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once")
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To: investigateworld
I did believe as you do until about five minutes ago, when I checked.

http://www.ptboats.org/20-01-05-ptboat-008.html

PACKARD V-12 MARINE ENGINE

The Packard 4M-2500 engine was utilized in all U.S. Navy World War II PT boats. This engine was based on the 1925 Liberty aircraft engine which was earlier converted for marine use in racing boats. During the war the Packard engine went through various performance updates and modifications. With early engines rated at 1100 h.p. and progressing to 1500 h.p. during the war. The Packard 4M-2500 engine was a supercharged, water cooled, gasoline powered V-12 engine, weighing approximately 2900 pounds.

The Packard 4M-2500 marine engine was not the Rolls-Royce Merlin, nor did U.S. Navy PT boats use the R.R. Merlin engines, which is sometimes misstated. However, Packard did built a version of Merlin Engine under contract by Britain for British aircraft use.
36 posted on 08/22/2005 1:25:09 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: Professional Engineer

Hi PE, time to get a wind up alarm clock!! LOL

Oh this child is gonna make you bald. :)


Good luck and prayers up for tomorrow.


37 posted on 08/22/2005 1:31:38 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: USMCBOMBGUY
This is good to know. Very different from what I recall. A tremendous improvement.

Reading between the lines I wonder if the lads are running into mines buried in the roads and in well used paths. Any knowledge on this? Thanks.

Side armor won't work in those circumstances. A couple of tons of sandbags works OK in my experience. Proper design is a whole lot better answer. Israeli RAM vehicles will work nicely. Buy them, copy them making them look different for political reasons, whatever.
38 posted on 08/22/2005 1:35:14 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: SAMWolf; All

A salute to all the veterans of the PT Boats, and the memory of many a brave lad lost!


39 posted on 08/22/2005 1:48:27 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once")
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To: alfa6
Wow, great picture, great plane. Here is a few for you, none of them as striking as the one you posted though

40 posted on 08/22/2005 1:55:16 PM PDT by USMCBOMBGUY (You build it, I'll defeat it!)
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To: SAMWolf; PhilDragoo

Haw.

Well, this fellow I am thinking about could very easily have had a Red Badge. Not of courage, however.

Enough evidence to give a suspicion, and a tiny bit more. Throw in his Dad's ties with Armand Hammer and close adherance to the Moscow Line during the 1935-41 period, starts looking a bit more than just fishy to me.

Shoot, let's ask Phil. Phil, you there?


41 posted on 08/22/2005 2:00:19 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: Colonial Warrior

Read your home page. Pleasure to have you with us, sir.


42 posted on 08/22/2005 2:04:21 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: bittygirl; Peanut Gallery; Professional Engineer

~Roger Miller~Hampster Dance~

Yee Haw!! Party Hardy!


43 posted on 08/22/2005 2:07:19 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Iris7

Thanks. I am enjoying the company and learning new things.


44 posted on 08/22/2005 2:19:44 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once")
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To: Iris7
The IEDs are the problems, mostly placed on the side of the roads, so side armor helps a great deal. Thankfully most of the roads there are asphalt so it is very difficult to place anything a vehicle would pass over. We are getting some specialized vehicles, such as the cougar, in now that offer great protection.

Mines are not the primary worry, there is some threat but not substantial. Many times when mines have been used it has been done so poorly that they pose no real threat. I found a string along a road side that was heavily used, most of the mines had been driven over at least a couple of times, all Italians (Italians make very effective mines), every one of them was improperly armed or had no fuze at all.
45 posted on 08/22/2005 2:25:18 PM PDT by USMCBOMBGUY (You build it, I'll defeat it!)
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To: Iris7

IIRC, his dad made some money running rum during prohibition and supported appeasement of Hitler when he was Ambassador to England in the late 30's. Also there's something about "buying" his son the Presidency. ;-)


46 posted on 08/22/2005 3:35:17 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Is that a beard, or are you eating a muskrat?)
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To: SAMWolf

I had two uncles in the Pacific during WWII. One was on a minesweeper and the other Harold L. Bunch was skipper of a PT boat. I have been trying to get his son Andy to join the Freepers.

Uncle "Bud" did tell me a few stories. He was in the Solomons and went after the Japanese barges. He said that the Marines would beg to go with them. They would get close enough to the barges to where you could throw hand grenades into them. You could hear the Japs screaming when they would open up on them with the 50's and 20mm plus small arms.


47 posted on 08/22/2005 3:41:15 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: Iris7

See post 47: According to my Uncle "Bud" there were actually two types of engines. The newer ones generated about 300 more HP than the older ones. He also informed me that the Japanese had what he called an "I" Class destroyer that could out run but not out turn some of the older boats. They had an incident where one of the older boats had to play ring around a small island all day for the boat to get away. The PT boat could get in closer to the island and both the Jap destroyer and PT boat spent almost an entire day running around an island. The island was high enough to where the destroyer could not fire across the island to hit the PT boat.


48 posted on 08/22/2005 3:52:59 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: USMCBOMBGUY

Thanks. I feel better.

Thanks again.


49 posted on 08/22/2005 3:56:21 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: Iris7
"Who's on first?"

My favorite skit of all time. ;-)

50 posted on 08/22/2005 4:08:41 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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